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Originally posted by Flame Of Liberty+Jun 9 2005, 04:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame Of Liberty @ Jun 9 2005, 04:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Communist, <snip> ideas have destruction, tyranny, murder and oppression at their core. One cannot say that Marx was "kind of right" and when the Soviets put his ideas into practice "it just didn’t work out." Exactly this kind of thinking shows that to this day it is not properly understood what is Marxism all about. [/b]
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I'm sorry, but you're way out to lunch on this one. Have you READ the Communist Manifesto? It's pretty short, I think you could probably find the time in between your libertarian rants to give it another perusal. I'd like you to show me where, exactly, the oppression comes in. We ARE talking about the book here, you know, not Soviet Russia and its perversion of Marx's writings.
Furthermore I'd be surprised if communism at all spread even if the Manifesto was required reading in school. It's met with a certain degree of, I don't know, skepticism, when read these days.
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Many people still believe that evil capitalists exploit laborers or that big profits are made at the expense of the poor. Of course, they behave accordingly (during the elections, for example), they demand socialization of the economy and whole society, because they believe socialism is at least partially right and we have to be "balanced". The result? Poverty, parasitisation and lack of freedom all over the world. Do I think that is harmful? You bet I do.[/quote]
Yeah, many people do believe that. You know why? Because it's, you know, true. It happens. Read about the export processing zones in South East Asia and tell me how that is not exploitation of the poor by the rich. I'm really eager to see you jump through the hoops to try and justify that one.
I am a socialist, to a greater or lesser extent, and I wouldn't really consider that it leads to "poverty, parasitisation (I don't even know what that is), and lack of freedom" all over the world. In fact, I think socialism has the answers to a lot of capitalisms problems (though I admit it has many problems of its own). If capitalism is so freakin wonderful, as you seem to think, why is the world such a shinguard place? You'd think it'd be a bastion of affluence, freedom, and happiness, yet....it's not.
Care to explain?