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jammies · 12-30-2008, 06:30 PM

Why bother arguing? You've obviously already made up your minds about the issue: Israel is justified no matter what it does. They can go right ahead and kill hundreds of civilians with bombs because that is "unfortunate collateral damage". After all, in war, people die - too bad, so sad.

Never mind that as recently as 2006 the Israelis tried the same tactics against Hezbollah in Lebanon as they are trying now in the Gaza, and failed miserably - incidentally destroying billions of dollars worth of Lebanese infrastructure and killing over a thousand non-combatant civilians. Further, it doesn't matter that the reason both Hezbollah and Hamas exist as viable terrorist organizations is that the PLO was destroyed as a military force by the first incursion into Lebanon in the 80's - effectively trading one enemy for two that sprung into the power vacuum created. No, the only thing that matters is that Israel goes to war every few years and kills craploads of Arabs, because after 60 years of trying, victory must surely be just around the corner!

What truly amazes me is that the propaganda of the Arabs is seen rightly for what it is - insincere justification of atrocities - and yet the propaganda of the Israelis is not ever questioned. The right to self-defence must be proportionate; if I punch you in the head, you are not justified in burning down my house, killing my family, and then building yourself a new mansion where my house used to be. Yet it's somehow OK for Israel to hold onto occupied land for decades on end, to blow up bridges and buildings that have no military value whatsoever, and to create massive ghettoes for their enemies with no industry, no arable land, no water, and walls all around and dividing them.

Not only are these things wrong, they are STUPID - they turn innocents into enemies and justify the crimes of terrorists to those who have been terrorized themselves. Hamas wouldn't last one day if the population at large wasn't living in what are essentially vast prison camps with no way out other than violence - they are successful because conditions are so poor that death seems preferable to life.

Oh well, who cares - they can keep on killing each other over there and we can limit ourselves to being cheerleaders for our "side". Why not another 60 years of the terrorism-reprisals-terrorism-WAR! cycle - so far the Israelis are way ahead on the body count, so we can look forward to "winning" for decades to come!

12-30-2008, 06:30 PM	#58
jammies Basement Chicken Choker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants. Exp:	Why bother arguing? You've obviously already made up your minds about the issue: Israel is justified no matter what it does. They can go right ahead and kill hundreds of civilians with bombs because that is "unfortunate collateral damage". After all, in war, people die - too bad, so sad. Never mind that as recently as 2006 the Israelis tried the same tactics against Hezbollah in Lebanon as they are trying now in the Gaza, and failed miserably - incidentally destroying billions of dollars worth of Lebanese infrastructure and killing over a thousand non-combatant civilians. Further, it doesn't matter that the reason both Hezbollah and Hamas exist as viable terrorist organizations is that the PLO was destroyed as a military force by the first incursion into Lebanon in the 80's - effectively trading one enemy for two that sprung into the power vacuum created. No, the only thing that matters is that Israel goes to war every few years and kills craploads of Arabs, because after 60 years of trying, victory must surely be just around the corner! What truly amazes me is that the propaganda of the Arabs is seen rightly for what it is - insincere justification of atrocities - and yet the propaganda of the Israelis is not ever questioned. The right to self-defence must be proportionate; if I punch you in the head, you are not justified in burning down my house, killing my family, and then building yourself a new mansion where my house used to be. Yet it's somehow OK for Israel to hold onto occupied land for decades on end, to blow up bridges and buildings that have no military value whatsoever, and to create massive ghettoes for their enemies with no industry, no arable land, no water, and walls all around and dividing them. Not only are these things wrong, they are STUPID - they turn innocents into enemies and justify the crimes of terrorists to those who have been terrorized themselves. Hamas wouldn't last one day if the population at large wasn't living in what are essentially vast prison camps with no way out other than violence - they are successful because conditions are so poor that death seems preferable to life. Oh well, who cares - they can keep on killing each other over there and we can limit ourselves to being cheerleaders for our "side". Why not another 60 years of the terrorism-reprisals-terrorism-WAR! cycle - so far the Israelis are way ahead on the body count, so we can look forward to "winning" for decades to come! __________________ Better educated sadness than oblivious joy.