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Originally Posted by jammies
Israel has its hardcore haters who try to block any attempt at peace just like the Arabs. It wasn't an Arab who assassinated Israeli leader Yitzak Rabin when it looked like the Oslo Accords might lead to trading (illegally occupied) land for peace. Does the following quote - "You’re dealing with a culture of thieves and robbers. Muhammad, their prophet, was a robber and a killer and a liar. The Arab destroys everything he touches." - sound like the rhetoric of reason? Were the Phalangist massacres during the Lebanese civil war not ultimately the responsibility of the Israelis? Are there not Jewish settlements in the West Bank protected by walls and guns in defiance of international law and UN resolutions?
Even in this current situation, does killing hundreds of people in the Gaza Strip seem like a reasonable response to one Israeli dying from rocket fire? Has repression of occupied territories ever worked before for the Israelis (again, look at the example of Lebanon), and if not, why is Israel trying the same failed policies once more?
In any conflict where the asymmetry of military force denies one side even the faintest hope of victory, the natural outcome is guerrilla warfare or "terrorism" where the weaker side resorts to the only possible means of resistance - covert operations, and operations against civilian targets. It is the same Israeli nation that fulminates against "terrorists" now whose founders were practitioners of terrorism themselves for this very reason when faced with the military supremacy of the British; you would think that this ultimately successful campaign would have taught their leaders that for every terrorist you kill by bombing his base into rubble, you create two more in the ruins. |
Once again, someone digs deep, very deep, to figure out a rational way to blame Israel. Yes and Israeli killed Rabin, and that was a terrible event. Jews did not march the streets looting or burning or stoning people in revenge. It was an isolated incident and the guy will spend life in jail, which he is after his court case ended.
How many more quotes can you find? You can walk into a mosque and find countless quotes of a much more evil nature.
And the Jews did not commit the massacre, but a sane and reasonable nation said that they are responsible, since the act took place in their country. How many massacres do you know of in Arabic countries? Does the world care? No, they seem to only care that one took place in Israel, many years ago.
And yes, the settlements exist, it was what Israel thought would be the bargaining chip they could use to trade land for peace. It did not work, hind site is always 20 20 though, isn't it?
And does killing hundreds seem like a legit response? What would your response be, there have been THOUSANDS of rockets fired. The enemy is hiding in a civilian area, at some point they are gonna bite back.
What repression are you talking about? Israel is simply not letting them into their borders, because of bus and cafe bombings. Collective punishment for sure, but Israel incorrectly calculated that the Palestinians would have had enough, and pushed the terrorism out of their society.
And of course you throw in the fact that there were some Israeli terrorists over 50 years ago. This is true, but the Jews were and still are, some of the most important contributers to society. A typical response to validate Hamas is to remind people that Israel too engages in terrorism, yet fail to mention we are talking about something that at some point will have taken place 100 years ago.