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4X4 · 12-22-2008, 07:41 PM

For some reason I have different views on unions like Police, Fire and Teachers. Well, moreso for essential services, not quite so much for teachers. But with these kinds of unions, unions that are in place to (for lack of a better word) serve the public, I'm ok with them. The reason why is because it gives structure to how people progress through the ranks and theoretically eliminates favoritism. Well, it probably doesn't, but at the very least, it puts light at the end of the tunnel for people that take on some of these thankless jobs.
Afterall, without teachers and police and fire and EMS and stuff like that, society would be chaotic. I personally would never be happy working a job that has an upper limit, so I applaud the people that have a different set of programming... They're programmed to help society.

Unions in the private sector are the unions that I'm railing against. As someone earlier said, $35/hour is pretty steep to be putting valve covers on engines. But if that's what the market dictates, fine. But if people stop buying the product, then that guy should be out looking for another job. To me, it's as simple as that. I see no reason why private companies should be forced to put up with the demands of the people they're employing. And that is what unions have become. It's no longer about making sure that there are safety rails and living wages. It's so out of hand with some of these unions. And it's totally unnecessary, IMO. You don't need a union to drive trains. A buddy of mine works for CN. Some of the stuff he's told me is so pathetic. The stuff he gets away with is ridiculous. We regularly joke that if I was his boss, I'd have fired him a long time ago.
And there's my other buddy that still works for Canada Post. Same deal. He's got his whole overtime 'scam' figured out. Work these certain days and certain hours and you maximize your paycheque and minimize your hours worked. It's so frustratingly pathetic. And the mentality of trying to do the least while making the most is predominantly found in union environments, particularly in private sector companies that have massive unions that are antiquated.

12-22-2008, 07:41 PM	#104
4X4 One of the Nine Join Date: Dec 2004 Exp:	For some reason I have different views on unions like Police, Fire and Teachers. Well, moreso for essential services, not quite so much for teachers. But with these kinds of unions, unions that are in place to (for lack of a better word) serve the public, I'm ok with them. The reason why is because it gives structure to how people progress through the ranks and theoretically eliminates favoritism. Well, it probably doesn't, but at the very least, it puts light at the end of the tunnel for people that take on some of these thankless jobs. Afterall, without teachers and police and fire and EMS and stuff like that, society would be chaotic. I personally would never be happy working a job that has an upper limit, so I applaud the people that have a different set of programming... They're programmed to help society. Unions in the private sector are the unions that I'm railing against. As someone earlier said, $35/hour is pretty steep to be putting valve covers on engines. But if that's what the market dictates, fine. But if people stop buying the product, then that guy should be out looking for another job. To me, it's as simple as that. I see no reason why private companies should be forced to put up with the demands of the people they're employing. And that is what unions have become. It's no longer about making sure that there are safety rails and living wages. It's so out of hand with some of these unions. And it's totally unnecessary, IMO. You don't need a union to drive trains. A buddy of mine works for CN. Some of the stuff he's told me is so pathetic. The stuff he gets away with is ridiculous. We regularly joke that if I was his boss, I'd have fired him a long time ago. And there's my other buddy that still works for Canada Post. Same deal. He's got his whole overtime 'scam' figured out. Work these certain days and certain hours and you maximize your paycheque and minimize your hours worked. It's so frustratingly pathetic. And the mentality of trying to do the least while making the most is predominantly found in union environments, particularly in private sector companies that have massive unions that are antiquated.