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Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 22 2005, 10:05 AM
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@May 22 2005, 04:51 PM
As a member of government he needs to live up to a higher standard.
If he was a private individual go ahead, condemn WWII Japanese actions in whatever terms you'd like.
But as a paid member of parliment representing the diverse interests of thousands of people in his riding? PC language is kind of a no-brainer....
People have every right to be concerned when one party consistantly makes such remarks/mistakes. If members from that party are elected and their Prime Minister is in Germany do Canadians want him going on about 'Nazi bas**rds'? Or on a trade mission to Japanses do we want the local papers talking about how our Prime Minister secretly harbours hate towards 'Jap bas**rds'? Or in South Africa or at the UN going on about how Mandela is nothing but a dirty terrorist?
All might (or not) be valid, they just don't need to be emphased without thought by government representatives.
There is a better and more professional way for an elected official to say that the Japanese made mistakes... for people in the east to hold us to that standard is not unreasonable....
Claeren.
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If your going to live up to this higher standards, then you should be absolutely outraged by the Liberal comments about the KKK, cross burning, Parrishes rants against the Amercans and others.
You should be reaching the same conclusions about the Liberal members as the conservatives.
But as it stands, when a Liberal does it we hear little if anything, hell even an apology is not demanded.
But when a conservative does it, the world comes to an end and we start hearing statements about hatemongering and intolerance.
The Conservatives have to live up to an impossible double standard, that our government doesn't have to.
Thats whats so annoying and frustrating for people like me.
Should he have stated things the way he stated it, probably not, but what he said was not untrue, and was pulled from feelings as opposed to a political agenda, and even though he did apologize on hind site, the topic header was a typically snotty "Replying to More 'tolerance' CPC style", without even looking past that first banner. Its apparent that even if the CPC came out and said they would honour any Liberal deals in case of election, or they came out with a platform of pupppies and money for orphans, it would be ignored because people who support the Liberals are so far sold on thier theory that the CPC are social de-constructuralists who hate everything and everybody and just want to get thier hands on the charter, that they refuse to listen to anything beyond thier own personal theories.
Somehow in Canadian politics, the message has become completely lost, and it has become a battle of style over substance.
You could also say the same thing about CPC supporters and the Liberals in the west, but the Conservatives have attempted reproachment with the East, while the Liberals have abandoned any reproachment with the west.
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Shall we start this up again Captain?
Or you could be justified with those comments because of their disparagment against Italians by maintaining they're all mafia types. Look that's Italians they've got preconceived ideas about and now "Japs" too. [/b][/quote]
If you want to I'm fine. But I left this the last time as a simple.
The Conservatives put the faces of Liberal's on the poster for a popular T.V. show, it was satire and not race related at all. If Volpe has a problem with the Soprano's as a portrayal of Italians in the mob, then maybe he should get HBO taken off of the air.
the show is about a organized crime family that infiltrates legitimate business for its criminal means, sounds like the Liberal party to me.
It was a statement of satire and comparison, not against Italians living in communities. But Volpe seeing an opportunity to secure votes spins it that way.
Do you watch the Soprano's because I do, its entertainment and not a race statement, I don't sit there and curse Italian's and I certainly didn't look at that poster and say those no good liberal's are just like the Italians, I said those no good liberal's are just like the Soprano crime family.
But I'm glad that Volpe is there with his low opinion of our intelligence. Thank god he's there to tell us how to think and interepret a poster from a T.V. show that was modified. If Volpe was consistant can you please provide me with quotes leading back to year one of the Soprano's where he stated that the show was racist against Italians. You'd be hard pressed to find it because it ain't there.
Volpe did a great job as an opportunist spin doctor who managed to further accuse the CPC of being intolerant and hateful.
But Flame On, whatever floats your boat where you justify me being intolerant or racists or anyone that would rather see the CPC or anyone else in power as opposed to the Liberals.
And on the Jap bas**rd comment, again was the wrong misnomer used, yes, however he was speaking at a veterans gathering about the Japanese and thier conduct in the second world war. He was not talking about all japanese, and he was certainly not talking about post world war II japanese, but of course instead of trying to understand what he was saying or his message, you bought out the whole racial profiling thing and the hate lecture.
But again whatever floats your boats.
You and me are never going to see eye to eye on this, I don't see a reason to even try.
But again what I said earlier is completely true. It seems that in the media and with Liberal supporters, the Liberals get a complete free pass, while the Conservatives get trashed and profiled. The Liberals make statements about the Conservatives being the KKK, about cross burning in B.C. about evil hidden agendas, about hating American's and Albertans. And they snicker like school children and congratulate themselves on how clever they are, and nobody takes them to task.
I'd be surprised if you ever came out with a statment of damnation for Parrish, or Volpe or Frey, because in your mind its not as bad as Harper, and Fletcher and other conservatives who speak off of the cuff.
It kills me how Liberal's and thier supporters are so quick to justify thier actions, and when Conservatives attempt to do the same thing, its like the second coming of Ghengis Khan and the Aryan Nations.
I stand by my statment about Canadian Politics.