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Old 12-08-2008, 01:57 PM   #2361
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Originally Posted by Rerun View Post
I agree with a lot of the points you have made. However, I don't think a new leader and time will erase all when it comes to the Liberal party. The Liberal party "brand" has been significantly damaged as a result of this attempted coalition "coup". Although it certainly was a legal attempt to usurp the ruling Conservative party, it had a real bad "smell" to it.

Agreed it won't erase all, however with the broad base of support that party really has, they don't need to erase everything, just enough to win a few more seats. The Liberal party should have been at an all time low after the scandals and Martin looking rather clueless only to be replaced by a complete dunderhead. The Conservative party should have won handily, but they didn't.

As a result I'd submit the current Liberal support is about as low as they'll ever go in seats. Contrast this with the end of the Mulroney era where Campbell stepped in, ran as horrible a campaign as Dion did, and was firmly and completely destroyed. I would have expected the same to have happened to Dion...and perhap it would have in hindsight had he been given a few more weeks of rope during a longer campaign. I will concede they are from different eras and The Bloc does change the political landscape from 1993 however I think my point of basic support is still valid.

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A lot of people will remember that when it comes to the next election... and they will remember that Ignatieff didn't speak out against it.
We're a little insulated from things out here, however I perceive a large portion of at least the Ontario vote is not enthused with 'the robot in the sweater from out west' and if they had a real alternative would not vote for him. What's happened in the past isn't remembered by everyone and all things can be justified or spun as required. Ignatieff can distance himself from the coalition of stupidity as easily as Harper was able to justify calling an earlier than promised election...which ironically was the catalyst for all this mess. A lot of people will remember that too.

I think whichever of the two parties has a leader who has a personality and can articulate a clear platform with a minimum of rehtoric will win over the majority of the country. I don't believe we have a leader who can do that right now....that begs the question, looking forward, who replaces Harper?
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