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Originally Posted by SebC
On prorogue:
I agree here, that is rather undemocratic and sets a terrible precedent... the next possibility is that a PM asks for to prorogue parliament for a year (the maximum allowed) to avoid a non-confidence vote, and cites this as precedent.
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So you consider it undemocratic for canadians to get their say? I tend to disagree. It isn't like he's magically making the vote of confidence go away. He's just forcing those involved to take some time, think about it, and give the constituents of the NDP and the liberals a chance to get their say. Vote's still going to happen, just not in the panic that the liberals want it to happen in. Why are they trying to rush it so much anyway? Maybe because they know it isn't what a large portion of their voters want, but if they don't hear it, they didn't purposely go against those that voted for them.
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Not entirely. If the Liberal-NDP coalition is supported by the Conservatives, then they don't need the Bloc.
Clearly, the Liberals and the NDP have demonstrated here that they would rather give power to the Bloc than support the Conservatives.
However, as far-fetched as it seems, the possibility exists for the Conservatives to give the Liberal-NDP coalition their assurances that they would not vote against the government in a non-confidence measure.
That would remove the Bloc from the equation.
By not doing so, the Conservatives demonstrate that they would rather give power to the Bloc than support the Liberals.
They are just as willing to "jump in bed with the seperatists" as the Liberals.
Of course, we already knew that. Well, except for those who are drinking too much blue kool-aid. 
And whilst it is certainly counter-intuitive for the Conservatives to support the Liberal-NDP coalition, it is the logical action for them to take if the the Bloc are truly as bad as they are saying (well, at least in English - more here).
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There is a signed document preventing the removal of the bloc from the equation. They are in there, and the promises made to them are going to happen. And given that the conservatives have more seats in the house than the liberals and NDP combined, if they were involved, it stands to reason they would be leading. That is the reasoning why the liberals get 'control' of the coalition, even though it started with the NDP and bloc. Kind of like how we voted it. You know, the structure being overthrown right now.
Sure the conservatives could support the coalition. But since the separatists have already been promised whatever they want to keep them involved, its kind of irrelevent. And given that they are the elected government, why do they have a duty to lying down for the liberal agenda. Should they bend, yes, and they have. Too bad the NDP and liberals are hell bent on ignoring it. At this point it no longer has anything to do with policy for either the liberals or the NDP. It's about prooving to themselves and anyone ignorant enough to believe it that they beat the conservatives in this election.
Besides no one has said that the conservatives have never made aggrements with the bloc. We've just mentioned that making concessions on a case by case basis is different than handing them the keys.