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Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 17 2005, 08:46 PM
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@May 17 2005, 08:26 PM
You don't think denying homosexuals the right to marry is intolerance? I do and many others do. Deal with it. That's how the Conservatives are perceived by a lot whether you agree or not. And yet you write it off as "garbage". That's why the Conservatives won't win. They can't realize that these issues are important to people and that they are alienating a large number by the hardline stance they've take on some of them.
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Where in the hell do they deny it, or did you pull that tidbit out of putting the it to a free vote in the house of commons?
Its in thier party platform.
Or is it part of thier "Hidden agenda"
amazing.
Some members of the conservatives don't believe in it, as surprisingly do some of the members of the Liberals, so whats the matter with practicing democracy and putting it to a free vote?
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Well I have seen a quote on their site that they "support the traditional definition of marrigage". Not sure where it went but they seem to change that "Issues" page every once in a while. In addition they believe that, "We will ensure that issues like marriage are decided by parliament, not the courts." I disagree as do others because we see it as a rights issue. The courts should ensure that the legislation or laws are constitutional.
And of course what's obvious to everyone but you apparently is that the Conservatives are going to house the most socially conservatives members. Therefore a lot of them will vote "freely" to not allow gays to marry. Thus people who don't agree won't vote for them.
The whole vote "freely" thing is the only way they can make it even remotely palatable for most people but I really see that as a smokescreen. [/b][/quote]
Saying that you support traditional marriage does not mean that your intolerant of homosexuals. I don't know where you get that from. It dosen't mean that they are against Homosexuals getting married, they just don't want to call it marriage. In fact Harper talked about a social union, the same as marriage in every way but name. Ohhhh what a boogie man.
It would be like me saying I'm not a cat person. that dosen't mean that I'm going to start slaughtering cats.
I think some people are taking a long leap of logic when they say that the conservatives have an intolerant societal policy, or they're buying the Liberal line lock stock and barrel.
I'm thinking your misunderstanding the concept of free votw. If a MP votes against the consensus of his constituants he's done, he won't win the next election, so it pretty rare that it happens, unlike the Liberals, and they're vote within party lines or lose your cabinet position, and possibly your place in the party. But again this is part of the whole riding the hidden agenda and making a large leap of logic to me.
And I'm sorry that I don't see your point of view, but I have a hard time reconciling some peoples viewpoints that even though the Liberals are corrupt and thiefs, thier policies really sing to my heart so lets make sure that we don't punish them.