[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 1 2005, 05:16 PM

If representation by population is such a stupid idea, how would you do it?

If you weren't so blinded by your seething hatred of all things Liberal, you would have seen that the budget was written in such a manner to get the CPC's support (corporate tax cuts, etc.). It was only after Harper said he was going to try to bring the government down anyway that the Liberals changed it to try to get the NDP to help pass it.

Please.

See my point above. That only resulted because Harper was so desperate to gain power himself, and the original Conservative-friendly budget fell by the wayside once Harper said he wasn't going to support it afterall.

1. Representation by population dosen't work when your population is centralized yet money from the smaller populations (ie Alberta) flows into the coffers in the center. The NEP was passed and almost destroyed Alberta, but it was sure good for Ontario. The Kyoto accord will greatly harm Alberta, yet the Federal government is going out of thier way to protect the auto industry in Ontario. Polls show that a majority of albertans are against gay marriage, but its what Ontario and Quebec want. In fact at its most base area, Alberta and B.C. and Sask don't vote for the Liberals, yet Ontario puts them into power.

This is a country governed in the best interests of Ontario and Quebec and screw the rest.

If we had a functional and proper senate that wasn't a country club we could balance the parliment out with it. But when an election is over before it even hits the Manitoba border then we're not living in a democracy, we're living in a fiefdom.

I'm all for enlarging the voting areas in Ontario and Quebec and reducing the number of seats residing there, while keeping the number of seats in the west and far east the same.

2. Geez what a terrible thing that Harper wants to bring down a corrupt government. Thats awful. so Martin promptly bends over for the NDP. And don't generalize me with the whole blind hatred of the Liberals thing. I mean honestlyI could say the same thing about you and the CPC.

The fact that Martin is willing to open up our wallet to the NDP in order to hold on to power is disgusting.



press - will you try to work with the conservatives over the possibility of a vote of non confident

Liberals - Those evil conservative bas**rds are trying to privatize health care while carting homosexuals off to consentration camps.




Please.

In one of Martin's last question periods before he went on his little roadshow was asked about the adscam scandal and promptly turned it around with a statement about the Conservatives going after Health Care.

so in response to your please, I say please



Also the Liberals were totally in favor of opening our wallets to appease the wack jobs in the NDP. Trading tax cuts for more stupid and un neccesary spending in order to keep thier grip on power.




See my point above. That only resulted because Harper was so desperate to gain power himself, and the original Conservative-friendly budget fell by the wayside once Harper said he wasn't going to support it afterall.

Bull, initially Harper said that he was willing to support the budget, and try to make parliment work, but as more garbage came from the Gomery Inquiry he withdrew his support. At least he's willing to call a spade a spade. The Liberal party in place is corrupt and criminal and needs to go, at least Harper has been consistant unlike Layton who was willing to use this to his advantage. And Martin and his weepy television speeches and false apologize.

Do I hate the Liberal's, hell yeah, but here's a little tidbit for you, I voted for the Liberals after the last Conservative government fell to scandal and garbage.

As for Liberal corruption, when it all comes out it's all just individuals and they should be held accountable and they will. Calling the liberals corrupt because of a few individuals that have broken the law is like calling the all Cons, Neo-Con like, or having hard core US style evangelical attitudes because a few do in the party. Equally foolish.

Sorry I'm not buying this at all. But nice try trying to absolve the crimes. I guess then you could say that the policies of the Soviet government were just the fault of one or two really bad people.

the Liberal party is responsible for its conduct.

If Martin wants to prove good faith, then he should resign and leave politics since as the second highest ranked Liberal he has shown himself as too incompetant or stupid to be able to control his party. And if he didn't know, then he's too stupid to run a country let alone a parking lot.

This is too well organized, to be the act of a few individuals. Now I will say that Chretian was a corruption force of his own, as were Stewart and the HRDC scandal, and the Gun Registry was the act of an individual, and then there's Gomery. So if you look at thier past records and its a few individuals, its all the ones at the top who have to take responsibility and go.

But I'm out of this debate, because I can see where its going to go with March Hare and others calling me a big red neck ignorant Liberal Canadian hating bas**rd.

Have a nice day.