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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
I think thats a huge reach. The "next" world powers are China and India - if they are more successful and have more benefits, does that show whatever they're doing is better? North America is the most successful because they are the most recent, and evolutionary, they can built upon other societies. But, the holes in the barrel are starting to show... in a big way.
During the supposed great era of the USA, we've seen market crashes due to greed, we've seen boring assembly line work for a small percentage of the rich to get richer, and we're seeing the affects of corruption boil over from the last 12 years of letting the market run itself. Sure there were a few good years, but it was a society built like a deck of cards... that are all coming crashing down. The monetary system is folding like a cheap, health care is a mess, the education system is failing and simple greed is pushing the economy over the edge. For a few great years, right?
Now I'm not saying China or India or whatever are perfect either, but there is definately a strong case for each and every side of this debate. I don't know how anyone can possibly think that one is clearly better then the other.
Azure, I asked you this before: Have you actually ever left North America? Ever actually been to the USA, to Boston, California, New York, Chicago? Europe? Asia? India? Have you actually ever even talked to anyone with any degree of depth who has lived under communism? Or Scandinavia and their socialism?
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We can talk about greed in capitalist systems, and its true. But lets not idolize a system that puts deadly chemicals into baby formula in order to increase profits, or use dangerous lead based paints into children's toys in order to reduce assembly costs.
Communism fails because its built to support what they would call the upperclass while treating the working class as if they're simple machines put into place not to strive to be better, but to work and accept a lack of consumer goods.
I can't think of any communist country where the economics have worked. I don't know if you can point to the Chinese as a shining example of that based on the fact that the government allows elements of outright capitalism into their markets while retaining a strong centralized government that retains control over the people.