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Old 09-27-2008, 01:52 PM   #147
Traditional_Ale
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It would certainly seem that way when people are advocating to stop building suburban communities which people want and replace them with high density housing that they don't want.
Who's people advocating for what? This doesn't make sense. The people advocating stopping the construction of suburban communities in favor of high density housing are the ones that don't want it? What?????

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It may not be "forced" but when the houses that people want are no longer be built and the only option is to go to the new high density, inner city apartments it would appear to be pretty damn close to forcing them.
There will always be places for you to live where you can have it exactly as you want. This debate is about the sustainablity (lack thereof) of that life-style as the norm in Calgary. This has moral and ethical implications. Your post seems to be overly dramatic in defending yourself and your choices.

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If people have to suffer these terrible prices and yet continually move out to these communities it would appear that they are making the proper choices and that even with all the negative side-effects suburban living is still the better choice than inner city living.
You don't consider your blatant disregard for anything that isn't all about you you you, how it affects you, your bottom line, you this, you that a little bit disconcerting?

We're talking about stewardship for the enviornment in which we live.

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Urban sprawl seems to be working just fine now. Energy prices don't seem to be stopping people., the environment is doing just fine as well.
So you're a city planner/engineer, energy producer/broker, AND enviornmentalist all at the same time?

Obviously you make a good living if you think like this, which kind of makes you come across very gluttonous. Take your head out of the sand and stop thinking everyone else is (or should be) exactly like you. I sure as hell don't make as much money as you, so these things you cast off to the wind as trivialities to a lot (most) of us are very real issues.

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What I find arrogant is the position that your opinions are right and that people living in the suburbs obviously just ignore everything that is "important."
He didn't say that at all. Everything you said was attacking a position that you invented in your own head. Took half of what he said, distorted it in your own mind to lock in to some very troubling morals, and then attacked him. I call Bulls***.

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Unpopular with who? The self-righteous inner city folk? David F'ing Suzuki? Not sure that people should base their choices on the opinions of those folks.
It will become mighty unpopular mighty quick when we're paying so much taxes to try and sustain a beast of a situation that was entirely preventable by being mindful in our planning/development and NOT continually indulging in a bloated sense of entitlement.

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These neighborhoods/homes seem to be going up at a pretty good rate so it would seem that they are popular with plenty of people.
Calgary IS a very wasteful and gluttonous place. Doesn't mean you have to choose to participate.

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Oil prices have shot up. Environmental whiners are getting more press time and "credibility" than ever and yet people still prefer to live in homes outside the core of the city.
I wonder how many people I see going down the Deerfoot from McKenzie or whatever in their 55,000 SUV that I know for a fact guzzles gas like no tommorow while driving like a maniac (so I know their insurance is insane too) have ever been to Paris, or Tokyo, or anywhere other than their 400 dollar all-inclusive frat parties in Mexico? Or have money for their kids sports or music? Or even just not having financial stress in their life for the sake of nothing other than their health?

What people perfer and what is morally correct are not the same. This insane sense of entitlement will eventually render most things unachieveable because instead of saving up for a trip to Europe, you're paying out your ass in property taxes so a dumptruck can make the 40km trip from the core to get your three bags of garbage.

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Inner city supporters can rail on and on about how terrible it is to live out of the core and that things need to change but so long as the majority still wants those types of housing and lifestyles I don't see how it is the cities job/right to tell them they can't.
Because without some tough decisions now about lifestyle in this city, the hard raw economics of a morally repugnant sense of entitlement will eventually crumble everything you seem to think important.
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