[killer_carlson]

I would love to be there when someone asks these perverts "When did this ever become a good idea?".

I think hazing is going to happen, whether at a training camp or at a party on the weekend. If it is going to happen, then it has to be supervised because when it isn't, it gets really bad.

Some of the most homosexual behaviour I have ever heard of happened in locker rooms, which of course are the "last place you'd ever find a gay guy". Yeah right. When it isn't supervised, it gets out of control. It becomes "who can out do the year before" kind of crap. It has no place in schools.

If you took the repressed homosexual tendencies and the alcohol abuse out of hazing rituals, then chances are it would be a lot less than what people currently go through and it would serve the purpose that it was originally intended to address - team bonding. Good luck removing either of those things though.

Where and when it was decided that hardship should turn into humiliation - that is where the wheels fell off and the fingers need to be pointed.