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Old 09-20-2008, 04:32 PM   #17
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It is interesting that the morality of liberals are by themselves unworkable in a society. Loyalty and authority are necessary in order to have a society. Excessive amounts will conflict with harm and fairness but, a lack of loyalty and authority will cause extensive harm and unfairness. The phrase "there was no king in Israel and everyone did what was right in their own eyes" comes to mind. It is the theme and warning of the book of Judges.

Purity is the most undervalued of the five. Lack of purity is the reason why we have to lock our doors when we go out today and we keep our children on a much shorter leash then we had when we were children. When society loses its consensus on what is shameful the government has to make more laws and exercise more authority to substitute for our lack of purity. This in turn creates more conflict with harm/fairness and loyalty/authority.
It's been a long time since I read the Bible but the passage "there was no king in Israel and everyone did what was right in their own eyes" has a vastly different meaning for me.
Before there was a king everybody took personal responsibility for their actions and afterwards the king decided what was right and wrong and decided when to war etc. Even god didn't want Israel to have a king and only selected one after they begged to be like the other nations.

I can't argue with purity but as soon as you give that authority to the government, as the Israeli's did, society begins to break down. Consensus may have some effect but when alone each persons relationship with their god or them self is the final deciding factor of their purity.
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