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Originally posted by MarchHare+Apr 20 2005, 08:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ Apr 20 2005, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You attack my logic, and then you follow it up with poor logic of your own. Colour me unimpressed.

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Colour me confused as hell then. I was merely making an allegory of what it seemed you were saying to me. No idea what you are getting at with your response here, please clarify for I am stupid...

EDIT: Ah yes, that I am limiting your options or something? Is that the problem here? Well i'm not doing that by any means. The 'someone else' in my allegory could be anybody and thus, any party or an abstained vote. But it seems to me that you were the one who said the waste and corruption in the Liberal Party is a fair cost at keeping the CPC out of power. Now please explain your original notion that a little scandal or corruption within the Liberal Party is excusable...

... or tell me if i'm still missing something here.

Originally posted by MarchHare+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Never once did I suggest a potential CPC government would be corrupt or wasteful.# It's their publicly stated positions on many issues that I find distasteful and unworthy of my support.
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Fair enough. Again, don't vote for em then I really don't know if I will be either.

Originally posted by MarchHare

In one breath you accuse your opponents of being moronic and needlessly fearing "hidden agenda", and then you go on to complain about "hidden corruption" at the hands of the Liberals.# Please.

What?! What's 'hidden' about the corruption?! I'm refering to the Gomery inquiry, last I checked there is nothing 'hidden' about that or what it was revealing! I'm not making false allegations here, i'm refering to something that is right out in the open for the public to see.

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Also, why should I trust the Conservatives when their deputy leader publicly promised not to merge with the Alliance and then did just that?# They already have a history of being dishonest and they haven't even been elected yet.

T'was unfortunate he had to lie in order to get it done. However, it could be argued he was doing what was best for 'right-wing' Canada as no more vote-splitting would occur.

Originally posted by MarchHare

Why do I loathe the CPC so much?# It has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all that the Liberals have said, and everything to do with what comes from the mouths of your own party members.

"We should have been there shoulder to shoulder with our allies."
-Stephen Harper, on the invasion of Iraq

"We support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win."
-Harper on Iraq again

Again, I didn't support the effort in Iraq. I'm not going to agree with everything a party does. Also, this is irrelevant now. The Iraq war is over with. Curious as to whether Martin would have supported it or not...

Originally posted by MarchHare

"We should try to keep our mothers in the home and that's where the whole Reform platform hangs together."
-Garry Breitkreuz, Conservative MP of Yorkton-Melville

http://www.conservative.ca/documents/20050...DECLARATION.pdf , page 23-24.

Originally posted by MarchHare

"Foreign nationals without status should not be under the protection of the Canadian charter."
-Inky Mark, Conservative MP of Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette

Ah yes. Well, he did say this as a member of the Alliance Party. Seems to me that bit has changed. Also: http://www.conservative.ca/documents/20050...DECLARATION.pdf , 37-39 for CPC immigration policies.

Originally posted by MarchHare

"Marriage is open to everybody as long as they're a man and a woman."
-Jason Kenney, Conservative MP of Calgary Southeast

Whatever. I already said this is a non-issue for me now.

Originally posted by MarchHare

"Make no mistake. Canada is not a bilingual country."
-Stephen Harper

http://www.conservative.ca/documents/20050...DECLARATION.pdf , page 33. Harper is also very fluent in french.

Originally posted by MarchHare

"There is a dependence in the region that breeds a culture of defeatism."
-Stephen Harper on Atlantic Canadians

In clarification of this comment being misconstrued:
There is a dependence in the region that breeds a culture of defeatism. I've never, ever suggested that the people of this region are responsible for the region's have-not' status, I've suggested it's the fault of federal policy, and that we have to tackle it - Stephen Harper.

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"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society."
-Harper again
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I would like to see your source for this. Also of note, he's not putting down immigrants or anything, he's simply pointing out the fact that Conservatives do poorly in these types of regions. Also, http://www.conservative.ca/documents/20050...DECLARATION.pdf , 37-39 for CPC immigration policies. Also:
http://www.penguinproject.com/tdhstrategie...ads/ZolfPOV.mht


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"On the justification for the war, it wasn't related to finding any particular weapon of mass destruction. In our judgment, it was much more fundamental. It was the removing of a regime that was hostile, that clearly had the intention of constructing weapons systems. … I think, frankly, that everybody knew the post-war situation was probably going to be more difficult than the war itself. Canada remains alienated from its allies, shut out of the reconstruction process to some degree, unable to influence events. There is no upside to the position Canada took."
-Harper on Iraq again

As to the italicized part, of course there's the upside that none of our brave service members were killed for non-existant WMDs and connections to Al Qaeda.

Anyway, I could go on all night.# The Conservatives have made their own bed.# I don't need the Liberals to tell me why I shouldn't vote for them; they do a good enough job of that themselves.
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Again, Iraq is over with! Again, I didnt support it and disagree with Harper in that he wanted to send troops there!


A couple other points. Firstly, there are Liberal members that oppose things such as same sex marriage as well. Also, I could dig up a slew of quotes of Liberal members saying stupid things, yadda, yadda, yadda. In the interest of saving time, and the fact that I believe actions speak louder than words, I wont bother though.

And again, for the umpteenth time, i'm not really pro-CPC as much as I am anti-Liberal. Abstain, vote CPC, vote Green, anybody... except the Liberal Party. They are being proven to be corrupt and I do not support this in any government. This view would be the same for any other party as well...