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Originally Posted by Gozer
The individual fetus has the right to not be terminated. I would argue that societal health requires a distinction of who we're allowed to execute to never be made.
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Why? Why does an individual fetus have any rights at all?
And can you provide some clarification to "a distinction of who we're allowed to execute to never be made"? I don't think that I quite follow what you are trying to say.
Regarding a fetus's "rights" and "choices" (Are fetuses even capable of such abstractions?), The argument for human potential is basically an argument from silence. Such things are merely hypothetical, and it is essentially impossible to demonstrate that an abortionless society is a better one.
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Originally Posted by Gozer
The problem I have is that individual liberty is expanding to "new world" of sorts, based in freedom from others. But this movement seems to be tied to collectivism in the vein of IFF's posts. I consider these movements incongruous.
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I think I see what you are getting at; It's true that the pro-choice movement is founded in individualism, but it does not necessarily follow that individualism must always be the cardinal virtue of the pro-choice movement. I would argue that we have moved beyond that, and are approaching a point in history where collectivism will become increasingly more necessary. The pro-choice movement will necessarily need to adapt, but I do not think that will pose much of a challenge at all.
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Originally Posted by Gozer
...suggesting that refusing to abort children will lead to a decrease in quality in life is both inaccurate and a morally reprehensible precedent.
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This is your opinion, especially the "morally reprehensible" part. What abortion essentially is is an artificially manufactured solution to an artificially manufactured problem. I'm merely drawing attention to some purpose that it serves. I'm no fan of abortion, and I believe that it is an unfortunate consequence of human development and activity. Less abortion would obviously be better, but as many others have pointed out, the only realistic avenue to less abortion is not through the whole-scale elimination of abortion. Rather, it is through change in the social and economic system, change in attitudes towards families, family values and the importance of community, and through much, much education and freedom of access and, yes, choice.