[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Actually, I think your complete distortion of his argument is worse. peter12 has a pretty balanced view of this issue--but I note that you've instead substituted an argument that you'd rather counter (about "getting drilled on the dance floor") instead of the one for which you have no answer.

Guilty.
(except the part about having no answer)

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Let me explain: You imply that he supports the "abortion as contraception" chimera--which was never what he said at all. What he said was effectively "a woman needs help to raise a child. She can't do it by herself without support from her family and community." If you don't believe that to be true, then you clearly don't have children of your own.

True.

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

But fundamentally, his argument is evolutionary/biological:

The lets look at the evolutionary element of this. I'm happy to confront this on all fronts.

Evolutionary speaking, women are evolved to desire a committed and loyal relationship for this exact reason. Having a supportive and stable family structure for the benefit of the mother and child.
Men are evolutionarily predisposed to spread their seed as much as possible in a Darwinian progression.

Only in the last fifty years or so of western culture have these values eroded into a consequence-free freak-fest that features liberals looking down their noses at traditionalists that believe the erosion of the family unit is the decay of society.
Sadly, gay marriage has found its way to the tip of the sword of these two movements, when I believe there is no reason for that - but that's a debate for another thread.

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

But it does pretty much destroy the whole "humans are the only animals that kill the unborn" argument--since there are plenty of animals who eat their own young if they can't provide for them.

For the record, that was not an argument of mine.

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Besides, I thought you were a libertarian. A libertarian should respect liberty in moral issues above all, no? Why is this the one area where big government is suddenly the answer? Or are you one of those LINOs?

I don't know what I lino is.
My answer is based on liberty in moral issues. The key moral issue here is the right of life. An extension of your projection of my stance is that I would be I would forgive murderers of their crime as "a choice."