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Originally posted by ernie@Apr 8 2005, 06:10 AM
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Not once, in English or any other class (Arky, Anthro, lots of history, psych...) did a prof come out and say it. Maybe behind closed doors they bought it, but in their professional life...
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So basically you've never asked the question so assumed they don't think that way.
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As for churches teaching it literally, I'll have to take your word on that. The Catholics and Episcopalians don't, I know that. An internet search also tells me that Lutherans, Unitarians, the United Church, Methodists... don't.
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The catholics church itself does not have a defined stance on the issue beyond God created all from nothing. They do openly allow discussion of the timeline but essentially leave it up to the individual parishes to teach it as they will from what I understand (they do not teach anything other than Adam and Eve being the first parents and the only parents from what i understand). Nearly every praticing catholic I know, and I know quite a few, have been taught that the genesis story is literal and continues to be taught that in their many different parishes. Some believe it others don't. The same goes for many of the churches... some may be open to the other interpretations but by and large you'll find that the bulk of the parishes do in fact still teach a literal interpretation of the genesis story.
Science is great and what I follow but the fact remians it is still something that every century one guy can send shockwaves through his discipline and nearly everything changes.
The scientists dogma seems awfully religious to me.....
The fact is from what I can tell you don't believe that a person (such as Stockwell Day) can be smart in any other thing because to you he's stupid for believing this one thing, even though he has (arguably) proven to be a effective at his job at every level. I'd love to be around when you get the wake up call that having different beliefs does not equal stupidity.
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So basically you've never asked the question so assumed they don't think that way.
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Yeah I guess so. I guess I also assumed it would come up in the conversation. In all those discussions about biblical metaphors and allegories et cetera, I figured if the professor didn't believe it he or she might have said "by the way, I don't believe a word of any of it, everything I said and you said in the last hour and a half is wrong, the bible is the absolute literal truth, and most of what is being taught in this university is false".
That never happened. But you know several professors who essentially do believe that so maybe there were a few of them.
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The catholics church itself does not have a defined stance on the issue beyond God created all from nothing. They do openly allow discussion of the timeline but essentially leave it up to the individual parishes to teach it as they will from what I understand (they do not teach anything other than Adam and Eve being the first parents and the only parents from what i understand). Nearly every praticing catholic I know, and I know quite a few, have been taught that the genesis story is literal and continues to be taught that in their many different parishes. Some believe it others don't. The same goes for many of the churches... some may be open to the other interpretations but by and large you'll find that the bulk of the parishes do in fact still teach a literal interpretation of the genesis story.
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Well if that's the case then I guess there is a broken link in the chain of command.
"Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory."
The Pope said that in 1996.
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I'd love to be around when you get the wake up call that having different beliefs does not equal stupidity.
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I wonder if you can point out where I said "having different beliefs is stupid". I don't think I did. I was pretty specific in saying what I believe is and is not stupid. Believing that the earth is 10 thousand years old and that dinosaurs and man walked around together is (and this is my "belief" so it's sacred and cannot be challenged according to the direction of this thread), is stupid. It doesn't make sense. It's not true.
You seem to know plenty of people who buy into this stuff so maybe you can answer a few questions. What is the motivation of all those scientists (yourself included) who don't believe in this literal genesis? Is it "The Devil" at work? Misguided souls? Shoddy workmanship? Conspiracy? Stupidity? It's gotta be something.
What do they think of Einstein? That he was just wrong? Do they believe the universities are churning out scientists that don't (by and large) have any grasp at all on the actual real world? When they see something on TV about dinosaurs do they think "that's all wrong, that bone is not 100 million years old, it's 5 thousand years old".