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Hack&Lube · 06-22-2008, 08:41 PM

Most Transformer fans I knew when I used to talk about these things on newsgroups like 10 years ago all preferred the cartoon origins to the comic ones. It seems that way on CP too oddly enough. I don't want the Transformers origins to be by some cosmic deities fighting each other. That's just ridiculous. That also gives them too much importance. That they were consumer and military robots enslaved to perform work... that gained sentience to rebel against their masters and creators...eventually turning on each other is so much better science fiction. They are just another race out there in a universe where there strangely happens to be a lot of machine life - explained perhaps by Primacron whose own origins are good to remain murky because the best sci-fi never explains the full origins of things and leaves you with mystery.

Sorry, but sci-fi that ends up with you finding some sort of god(s) who creates some pseudo-religious pantheon is often quite terrible and too much based on our human mythologies instead of being unique or creative or well-written.

Call of the Primitives was very well written and the best animated episode in the cartoon. I guess you missed the entire point of the episode that intelligence does not always beat instinct. The most intelligent creature in the universe (who was eccentric anyway) was so smart, he didn't realize the benefits of the so-called "dumb, animalistic" Transformers who functioned on much baser instintual programming. Also, Matrix was either another one of Primacron's creations or the remant of his assistant who fled after Unicron destroyed his planet and his original robotic body (the Matrix leaving from it). It shows that even if you are on such an epic scale, that you are dealing with someone who has created alot of the technology in the ancient universe...that he too makes mistakes and you can all be humorous and have a laugh. Transformers is for kids, you can't take it too seriously. A lot of the new stuff, the DW stuff, etc. that tries to write for a grown-up TF audience makes it much too serious and complicated...forget all the charm and humor.

06-22-2008, 08:41 PM	#53
Hack&Lube Atomic Nerd Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Calgary Exp:	Most Transformer fans I knew when I used to talk about these things on newsgroups like 10 years ago all preferred the cartoon origins to the comic ones. It seems that way on CP too oddly enough. I don't want the Transformers origins to be by some cosmic deities fighting each other. That's just ridiculous. That also gives them too much importance. That they were consumer and military robots enslaved to perform work... that gained sentience to rebel against their masters and creators...eventually turning on each other is so much better science fiction. They are just another race out there in a universe where there strangely happens to be a lot of machine life - explained perhaps by Primacron whose own origins are good to remain murky because the best sci-fi never explains the full origins of things and leaves you with mystery. Sorry, but sci-fi that ends up with you finding some sort of god(s) who creates some pseudo-religious pantheon is often quite terrible and too much based on our human mythologies instead of being unique or creative or well-written. Call of the Primitives was very well written and the best animated episode in the cartoon. I guess you missed the entire point of the episode that intelligence does not always beat instinct. The most intelligent creature in the universe (who was eccentric anyway) was so smart, he didn't realize the benefits of the so-called "dumb, animalistic" Transformers who functioned on much baser instintual programming. Also, Matrix was either another one of Primacron's creations or the remant of his assistant who fled after Unicron destroyed his planet and his original robotic body (the Matrix leaving from it). It shows that even if you are on such an epic scale, that you are dealing with someone who has created alot of the technology in the ancient universe...that he too makes mistakes and you can all be humorous and have a laugh. Transformers is for kids, you can't take it too seriously. A lot of the new stuff, the DW stuff, etc. that tries to write for a grown-up TF audience makes it much too serious and complicated...forget all the charm and humor. Last edited by Hack&Lube; 06-22-2008 at 09:03 PM.