[fatso]

The good: Some positive things I took thus far from this thread:

1. No one actually called anyone racist. There is a massive difference between pointing the way someone thinks about or discusses something is 'racist' and calling that someone a 'racist'. The former is civil and responsible imo, though the latter does have it's place. As far as I can tell it was only the former that happened here, but for some reason you can't do that without people screaming they're not a 'racist'... which brings me to my second point.

2. There's a kind of 'reverse race card' pulled through 'the p.c. card'. I have yet to see someone explain what 'truth' the politically correct conspiracy is concealing... what agenda the p.c. movement is trying to advance.... what inescapable, unalterable reality the politically correct knights templar are keeping hidden?

From what I can see in this thread, people pull the p.c. card as a rhetorical move: saying that they're unjustly oppressed and can't really speak the truth because the P.C.ers won't have it, automatically situates their point as beyond scrutiny... and those who would scrutinize it are beholden to some bleeding heart myth, and obviously misguided.

I've thought this for a long time, but wasn't sure how to phrase it... this thread is helping me see that, so that's been good.

The bad: A couple things I should let go but can't...

1. West Karma, though I genuinely feel bad about the situation, should really just stop posting. W K stopped making sense a couple pages back when he accused others of pulling the race card.

2. Calgaryborn, your right to call people what you want of course exists. I think, though, when we're thinking and talking about political identities, the individual/ group right to self-definition should trump others' rights to label those individuals and group. I think that's a big reason why there's such things as... you know... historical progress.