[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by fredr123

This one was from a thread about EMS workers going on strike from July last year.

Way to misrepresent what was said their Fred. If you had posted the whole argument I was in complete support of a LARGE increase for the EMS workers because they damn well deserved it. If I remember right I was arguing this point becuase someone said they should just go work somewhere else. I was making the point that WHY should they when they are doing a job they love.

Here are some other remarks I made in that thread

many people want to do certain jobs regardless of the secondary outcomes such as stress. (usually public sevice positions...ie: teachers, police, EMT) However, just because someone loves a job doesn't mean they have to put up with BS because it is the job of their choice. Many people get fed up with the politics and stress of a certain job and get burnt out because it just isn't worth it for what they are geting paid. So why would you want to let very good professionals that save peoples lives leave the job because you think they should have to put up with the stress because they are aware of it prior to being hired?

It means getting paid what they are worth.....it lets the employee know that their work is appreciated and respected (hard to come by when you work in the public service)......it helps with having to watch people die, having to be in contact with people that have communicable diseases, people that dont want your help and try to hurt you, having to be away from your family because of shift work, having a lower life expectancy because of shift work......these people deserve what they are asking for....it is very straight forward.

Very unlike you to misrepresent a quote so much.

This post was from a thread started by Jolinar in February last year titled "Unions - What's Your opinion".

Again Fred, way to misrepresent what I was saying. I did say that in my experience the rate of slackers was 25-30%. I never said that was soley public employees. I did mention that I had work for the government for the last 7 years but I have also worked in the private sector.

And lets take a look at why there may be so many disenfranchised employees with in the government. Because of BS offers like the one in this thread. Not to mention the government legislated contract in the early 90's of 0%. 0% thats right. No matter who you work for you deserve to get an increase of atleast the inflation rate or you are taking a pay cut. Do you think that maybe do to governments bargaining in bad faith may be a root cause in the inefficiencies of the government????

Also regarding the quote you quoted me above, you failed to include this:

Now I have worked many different jobs.....and there are slackers in union and non-union organizations alike....but in my profession....we cannot afford to have ANY slackers let alone 25%.

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Unions are there for a reason....to protect the employees. The problem with most unions is that they want everyone to be equal. The reality is....they are not. My biggest problem with unions (and I am in one) is that the unproductive and lazy people get paid the same as the productive and hard working people. There needs to be a mechanizam that allows hard working and productive workers to be not only recognized but also rewarded for their hard work.

Why didnt you include these quotes in your smear campaign? There are lazy people in all organizations, there shouldn't be but there is, that doesn't mean you pay the majority less because of a few lazy people.

I only point these things out and juxtapose them for the sake of debate. On the one hand you talk about how EMTs could (and perhaps, maybe should) move to a different job where they can get the same or better pay while having to deal with fewer work-related risks. Perchance the same logic could apply to PSAC employees or at least members like CBSA officers who work in dangerous situations like at border crossings.

Again not was I said at all. WOW

The second set of statements just goes to show that, while maybe a 2:1 ratio of workers employed to workers required may be a bit of hyperbole, it can be acknowledged that there are a lot of slackers in the federal service. Sure, there are people cruising at work all the time (says the guy posting on CP during work hours) but calling simmer2's comment pathetic may be a bit much.

Thats a bit of an assumption is it not? Really, a bit much? I wonder where most of the people are when they are posting on Calgary puck? Perhaps work? Including yourself? Does that mean you and everyone else cannot get there work done? Maybe you haven't noticed but I haven't been that active on CP for a while now, thats because I have been busy at work. I have priorities, family, work, CP. If time permits, I post on CP.
And do you really want to get into a war about what jobs are slack? Because let me tell you, there are MANY more slack jobs out there than government jobs.