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Old 06-03-2008, 07:29 PM   #1176
Calgaryborn
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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3 View Post
Hillary is limping on the same. In fact, she benefited more than Obama did in that decision. A few facts:
1) All parties involved agreed that those votes would not count because the state broke the rules
2) Obama removed himself from the ballot because that was part of the agreement that was reached.
3) Clinton won a very narrow majority in that vote when she was the only name on the ballot. She almost lost to 'Uncommitted'.

I see how you could think that Clinton is a strong and honorable candidate after an objective look at the facts.
1)All parties did not agree that those votes didn't count. The voters in those states did nothing wrong and voted because they wanted to be a part of the democratic process.

2) Obama chose to remove himself from the one ballot and then chose to remain on Florida's ballot and even visit there a couple times. His choices! Do you think maybe someone pointed out to him that Florida was going to be allowed to vote in the general election?

3) The votes she got there were still peoples votes and represent her share of the vote from that state.

The Democrats should have fixed this problem when it started by punishing the people responsible. They didn't and had to do the best they could with a bad situation on the weekend.
I think the half votes were a good idea but they shouldn't have generated votes for Obama that wasn't there. I can't see the people of that State taking kindly to that decision. Yes Hilliary would have won more delegates and it would have been a mini victory for her side but, in the end the super-delegates will decide it and they will certainly pick Obama. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if Obama loses to Hilliary the black vote is gone too for at least this election cycle if not longer.
By being generous to Hilliary and those who voted in those States the Democrats would have retained many of those votes for the fall(especially if Obama took the decision with some grace).

Also they should have taken away the super-delegates from both States. The Super-delegates represents the leadership that bare the blame for moving their primaries ahead; Not the voters of those States.

As it stands right now the Democrats will probably lose both States and maybe the election because of their incompetance.
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