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Old 05-16-2008, 01:48 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by flylock shox View Post
This passage is a bit more bothersome than I thought. Perhaps this was already the case, but I wasn't aware that it was a principle of fundamental justice that young people are entitled to a presumption of diminished moral culpability. That, in and of itself, seems troubling.
I didn't know that either. The SCC seems to go through a bit of an exercise to find that this is a legal principle and that there is a general consensus that it is a fundamental principle of justice. Oddly enough, the minority in dissent also agree that this is a principle of fundamental justice. They differ on how it applies to the presumptive adult sentences in the YCJA.

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More troubling though, is that it seems that the Crown will now have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an adult sentence is appropriate. That's a whole different can o worms, and an awfully heavy burden to put on the Crown, especially in cases where the accused does not present any evidence of his own.
I'm not sure that's what the passage I quoted was getting at. I think it was referring to the principle that the Crown must prove any aggravating factors it relies on in sentencing generally. The Crown conceded that is a principle of fundamental justice. If you are going to make an allegation of a fact that you suggest would increase the sentence, then you are obligated to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

I think with respect to the test in s. 72 of the YCJA that puts the onus on the youth to show that a youth sentence would be appropriate, the majority didn't really say what the test should be. I couldn't find anywhere that said the Crown must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a youth sentence is inappropriate. Maybe you just need to prove on a balance of probabilities that the youth sentence is not appropriate? Although, given the tone of the rest of the decision and other factors, your prediction is quite likely correct.
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