[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Interesting conversation.

I was watching a thing on the ancient olympics, and there were a lot of intersting tid bits, most notably the notion that just being there was a great thing didn't exist. At the ancient games winning was everything. If you lost, it wouldn't be too unexpected to have your mother not talk to you. I'm not saying this is the way things should be, but it's an interesting contrast between our own, and the ancient world's values.