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Originally Posted by photon
Gravity isn't a law. There's the theory of gravity, which is less understood than evolution frankly. Your comprehension of laws and theories is flawed.
Nothing in science is known without a shadow of a doubt.
As I've said before, if you're getting these basic things wrong, isn't it reasonable to think that you might be wrong about the bigger things?
And there's been no evidence for creationism or ID presented in this thread, only vague hand-waving that evolution violates some law. No results of experiments, no confirmed predictions, nothing of the sort.
The Bible itself says that Jesus is the only way to God.
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That it does. However, some (a lot) of Christians think the best/only way to change people's minds and lives about a huge issue is to hit them over the head with it and give them the "believe or else" type of spiel. I feel for anyone who has had to be a victim of this type of "witnessing." I know I wouldn't change my religion just because someone on the street was guilt-tripping me if I didn't. I won't continue to go off-topic here, but don't lump us all together and assume that all creationists are half-crazed religious nuts blind to the real world and its facts.
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Not really, both are concepts that have no supporting evidence.
What law? You're still misusing the term.
IT HAS! That's the point. The only people who adhere to it are those who have already predetermined the Bible is inerrant and therefore the tens upon tens of thousands of scientists over hundreds of years in dozens of disciplines ranging from physics to chemistry to biology to cosmology to archeology to genetics to whatever else have all come to the same conclusion through different paths must all be wrong in exactly the same way, or they're in a grand conspiracy.
The number of real scientists in fields of research relevant to evolution who actually don't believe it are almost nonexistent.
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I am curious, what do you consider "real" science? Even though pieces of evidence such as the 2nd law of thermodynamics and say for example, the Hydroplate theory don't satisfy you, does that mean that don't really count as evidence?
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It's NOT! It's illegal (at least in the US). Watch this series to learn about it:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html
They do in the US. Watch that series and see how the religious right has tremendous influence.
The very definition of dogma. You will not be swayed, so I can only reason that your conclusion is based on faith and not evidence. You base your stance on something other than science, and just try to use science to support (rationalize?) your already decided upon position. Weak.
If you can't give a good reason for what you believe then you really should question why you believe it. If you can't, well, that's the kind of thing that got us into the dark ages in the first place.
You are right debating skills or being an expert in a field isn't required, but being able to approach something with intellectual honesty is.
I am fully willing to change my mind on evolution, I CAN be swayed, easily. I know exactly what kinds of things would disprove it. What about you? What detailed evidence would be sufficient to convince you that evolution is true?
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I'd like the information gap that involves the beginning of time to be filled. How did the first living organism develop from something abiotic? How did the "something abiotic" come into existence? Or was it always there? Or for the big bang theorists: what prompted the big bang to take place? How did order result from chaos?
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This is an open discussion and participation isn't mandatory, so of course no one is forcing ideas down anyone's throat, and no one I know here would wish ill on anyone.
Would you agree that not all beliefs are equally valid? How does one judge which are more valid than others?
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I would agree 100% with that last statement, all beliefs ARE equally valid. Some beliefs might be more informed and education-based than others but at the end of the day no one's is better than someone else's.
P.S.-all this crap about comparing leaders who believed in each side and how many people they killed is just stupid - its becoming more of a pissing match than anything which is unfortunate.