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Works both ways as evidenced in this thread...no? Seems to me that anyone who believes that creationism is the only way things happened, are getting run over by those who disagree. Almost indignant about it actually.

remember, you are shooting volleys at a belief, that is not a quantifiable target. A belief is a belief....not necessarily some lab produced fact.

No, it doesn't work both ways.

No one here is attacking creationism, they're attacking ID and a specific brand of creationism that both try to propose themselves as science, not as matters of faith.

I'm not taking volley's at anyone's belief, read what I've written, I've said over and over and I'll say it again though it's getting tiring having to restate myself: I have no problem with someone that believes the earth, universe, everything was created by whatever God they so desire.

The problem is when they take that belief (which we're not shooting volleys at),based on faith, and try to translate that into something they claim is on equal ground with science. Without actually doing anything that resembles science but claiming it is. THAT is the problem.

Huh? Who is dragging YOU back to anything. people are allowed to have different opinions and beliefs than others...what need is there to "fight" back about it? Unless this was some government bill to teach things in the school system or some other way affects your life directly, not sure why you would be so upset by it.

It does affect my life directly; fighting against the education of our children directly affects future generations and our overall progress. Why do we see countries like the US and Turkey where acceptance of basic science is so low compared to other countries? Because of a lack of education, and groups like ID and some creationists are one of the causes, they fight to have science removed and pseudo-science instilled.

If people want to teach their kids the earth is flat on their own free time, that's allowable, but I'm going to be vocal about it because I think they're hindering their kids. It's not about one scientific fact or another, it's about rational and critical thinking skills. Without those you end up with a credulous society that spends their resources on psychics and magnetic bracelets.

If you say so, and i don't necessarily disagrre. However, if i was to start ridiculing a specific religion because of what i think/believe/say....how long til I get a response from you or another moderator?

Well first, it of course depends on what's being said. Second, no one is ridiculing a specific religion, it's the specific belief of young earth creationism and Intelligent Design that's being ridiculed. As has been established, no single religion has cornered the market on those.

Plus, more Christians do not subscribe to ID or young earth creationism than do.

right...ridiculing is the ONLy way to go when in a discussion with those you disagree with.

Speaking of which........

Ok let me be more specific, what else is left when the other side won't actually discuss anything, when they refuse to consider anything, when the only reason they're in the discussion at all is to change everyone to their side, not to learn or exchange ideas. That's not a discussion at all. What other tactic would you suggest?

The two comics I posted are meant to illustrate the absurdity of some of the statements made by IDers; humour to communicate an idea.

Again if you are Ok with that ^^ stuff...so be it. I think it's in very poor taste and form..and I think Im still allowed to do that...no?

See and I think the backhanded insult at the end of that is poor taste and form. I don't think I've posted anything that is insulting or demeaning (at least not to a person, it's fine to attack an idea), I strongly believe in do unto others and I try not to post anything that I wouldn't accept being posted to me.