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Old 03-21-2008, 05:23 PM   #144
Hack&Lube
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Originally Posted by arloiginla View Post
To create any kind of upward, complex organization in a closed system requires outside energy and outside information. Evolutionists maintain that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not prevent Evolution on Earth, since this planet receives outside energy from the Sun. Thus, they suggest that the Sun's energy helped create the life of our beautiful planet. However, is the simple addition of energy all that is needed to accomplish this great feat?

Compare a living plant with a dead one. Can the simple addition of energy make a completely dead plant live?

A dead plant contains the same basic structures as a living plant. It once used the Sun's energy to temporarily increase its order and grow and produce stems, leaves, roots, and flowers - all beginning from a single seed.

If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?

What actually happens when a dead plant receives energy from the Sun? The internal organization in the plant decreases; it tends to decay and break apart into its simplest components. The heat of the Sun only speeds the disorganization process.
That's a fallacious argument. A dead system nolonger has the ability to function as it did when alive and thus process the energy that once fed and maintained it. Of course the addition of energy to a system that cannot process it will result in damage. The addition of energy into anything in an unfavorable condition or a condition in which that energy cannot be processed will result in disorganization.

Evolutionists have never argued that solar rays hitting inert organic matter = spontaneous creation of life manifested in structured plant life. The plant evolved over millions of years from smaller processes and smaller systems. That solar input added the neccessary energy to create those organic compounds, amino acids, sugars, lipids, etc. that eventually coallesed into primitive systems that naturally propagated themselves under favorable conditions.

In any case, less conservative IDists will always then argue that god created those favorable conditions or initiated that processes. Sure, you could say that but how do you teach it? Add a sticker to the front of your textbook that says "it is possible that these processes were initiated by an intelligent force rather than random occurance"?
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