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Originally Posted by Five-hole
I totally get everything but the "sucks live". Seriously?
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Seriously. I've heard so much praise for their live performances that I really had a nice buzz before the gig at Ruisrock in 2006, especially since I was with a couple of big Tool fans who were really excited. A huge disappointment.
Granted, only saw them once, but there was really no point in seeing them live. They sounded essentially the same as on their albums (all the albums have been force-fed on me, although I just tend to tune it out pretty fast), and there's nothing to see visually, as the band just stands there, doing nothing. (The singers pretentious pose started to get irritating. Yeah, I get it, you think you're an artist. Even Trent Reznor created more contact with the audience, and he's not exactly mr. social.) The videos looked kinda cool for the first five minutes, but then I really started to get annoyed by how much of the background stuff is just pure filler, and not even quality filler, just low-grade fractals and so on. I got the same stuff on my WinAmp plugins. Everything worth seeing I've seen on their actual music videos. Eventually I just walked away and catched the later half of the Bellrays. They were nice in comparison, quite lively, although really they're just kind of a polished version of the better pub bands out there, which is not a compliment.
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You like the Beatles but not the Beach Boys?
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I never got this comparison, except historically. The Beatles went much further and are much more varied, had some really good lyrics (gotta love McCartneys twisted humour) and even rocked real nice at the start of their career, where the Beach Boys never created much anything than really well-produced pop, something which is historically an achievement but irrelevant for on a modern listener. Where's their Helter Skelter? Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite? Happiness is a Warm Gun? Pet Sounds is very propably the most overrated album ever.
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And man Zappa rules. End of argument. 
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Okay okay, I mean the crazy tried to sing in Finnish and everything