[CaptainCrunch]

The problem with the harsher version of socialism is that for the most part its not accepted by the people until after its put in place and their choices are taken away.

I thinks its pretty rare that a actual true communist government gets installed without some form of bloody revolution, or a outright war.

Look at the harsher version of it which Lenin called war communism, but extended for most of the 20th century.

China's form of communism was installed in a violent manner and enforced in a violent manner. The Soviet Union was born from incredible bloodshed, and governed in an even worse manner. Cuba, North Korea all were installed in a bloody manner and in order to keep control of the masses the threat and use of violence was used to keep those governments in place.

Germany and all of the other Warsaw pac nations had communism installed on them, and again the governments as shaky as they were were held up by the use of imprisonment, executions and paranoia created by the government.

I don't know of, and maybe one of you geniuses can let me know, of a single communist government that was put in place through the willing election of the people.

Joseph Stalin didn't care about the Welfare of the people, he saw the people as jagged rocks that needed to be pounded into round holes. Lenin really didn't care about anything but gaining the power to execute a political theory based around the false religion of the state. Even though he proclaimed World Socialism in his life time, he knew it would never come true.

The later members of the Politiburo knew that Communism was a means to power, they didn't believe in it anymore then the person who makes appearances at church but doesn't believe in god. They were deluded by the own Bureaucracy that their people were being clothed and fed and entertained because Cummunist successes were predicated on a lie.

Yes Communism talks about universal health care, but it didn't serve the people in a sense of extended life, or better health, it did enough to keep the people in the factories and the fields so that they could serve the machine.

The concept of same pay didn't work because under communism a doctor makes the same as a truck driver, and as the saying goes, "If the bosses pretend to pay us, we'll pretend to work"

The concept of the workers owning the factories and the fields was a lie because all of the finished goods went to the greater glory of the nation, which because of its paranoia due to being founded in revolution was always trying to protect it from the next revolution.

Marx even stated "From each according to his abilities,
to each according to his needs.", which sounds admirable but the simple translation in communism is that if you don't work the state will let you starve.

Just as an add on, some Lenin quotes that kinda speak to his desire for power over the good of the people

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ”

“It is true that liberty is precious - so precious that it must be rationed”

“A lie told often enough becomes truth”

“Can a nation be free if it oppresses other nations? It cannot.”