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Old 02-18-2008, 11:43 AM   #129
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This question is the same for both sides... something just appeared at some point. Time and matter started at some point. If not, something was always there. If there was no beginning, if something was there all along, call it something--God is as good a name as anything else.
We don't know that something just appeared at some point; several speculations as to how the universe came about don't need a something out of nothing. It's all speculation though, very little evidence in any direction.

But one thing you say "time and matter started at some point", doesn't really apply, because time is part of this universe, so the notion of "before" the universe doesn't make any sense because time may not apply. How can one ask what the cause of something was when the whole premise of cause and effect is linked to our universe?

And really there's nothing "wrong" with something just appearing out of nothing at some point either, that happens in our universe all the time, they're called vacuum fluctuations. Particles and their anti-particles will spontaneously appear, interact and annihilate. As long as no energy is created or destroyed then it's perfectly acceptable, and there's research to show that the net energy of the universe is exactly zero
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