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Old 02-12-2008, 12:44 PM   #30
JohnnyFlame
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Originally Posted by Sparks View Post
I think we might not be understanding each others' point, and if so, I'm sorry, because I think we actually agree when it comes to the problem in the grand scheme of things.

My point is that considering things from an economic point of view is not devoid of values - quite the opposite. It is a value statement. Likewise with what you've called the scientific and the political points of view.

Here:

"Humans should be wiped out because they are destroying the planet."
Implied value statement: "I believe that the continued survival of all other living things on earth is more important than that of human beings."

"Gravity causes objects with mass to be attracted to objects of larger mass."
Value statement: "I believe that non-supernatural, discoverable laws govern the universe."
Well part of what I'm saying is it would be a whole lot easier to just ignore our values and sit back and be cold, hard calculating in our response to the world. So as in looking at the greater good for all we wouldn't bother but only look to our own greater good and if necessary at the expense of others.

What we would at the moment I believe consider anti-values.

In the interim we would say whatever they wanted to hear but without any followup actions on our part. We would have values but be entirely hypocritical. Then we would just take the facts, work them out to whatever worked best for us and go from there while the whole time preaching to the choir.

So I guess if hypocrisy and greed are values then yeah that would be the value plan.
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