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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Whenever these discussions come up, I find it frustrating because many people on the "pro-religious" side (for lack of a better term) all seem to believe something from the other believers. Some believe the bible is the absolute word of God; some believe the Bible is only flawed because it was interpreted by man; some believe God is omnipotent and everything is God's will; some that God set it up but man has free will; and so on.

It is difficult to keep the debate structured because the topic of debate, as viewed by its own supporters, is so varied.

Until there is an agreement about what the bible and religion really represent, religious people are going to be frustrated because the atheist/agnostic "side" will be misrepresenting them; and the atheist/agnostics will be frustrated because the religious argument appears to be a moving target.

Yes, and it goes both ways too. Atheists and agnostics believe different things for different reasons too.

Which is why I don't like debating things on a message board. Good discussion with a person comes out of really knowing that person, and understanding the way they think and speak.

And related in many ways, I hate prooftexting.