[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Azure, I have no problem with you being stubborn. I'm plenty stubborn.

Yes, but at least you stuck around long enough to reiterate your stance 180 degrees. From initially saying that Creatine does NOT work, at least you now admit that it can help.

But when you're trying to make something of nothing and trying to weasel your way away from the facts - ESPECIALLY from scientific literature - well that just tells me your ignorance is not worth any trouble - from me or anyone else.

I never weaseled away from anything.

I was busy and said I would respond later.

Now, from the link you provided.

Exercise type. The relative importance of PCr during
exercise is dependent on the nature of the exercise. For most
exercise situations, the demand for ATP is predominantly
provided through oxidative phosphorylation in the mito-
chondria. However, under some conditions aerobic energy
production cannot meet the demand for ATP. In these cases,
anaerobic energy production from PCr hydrolysis and gly-
cogenolysis/glycolysis is required to assist in the provision
of ATP.

So your belief of...

So there are negligible effects due to Creatine supplements

It is in fact not true.

The general idea of the whole report seem to be...

Does Cr Supplementation Enhance Exercise
Performance?
Short-term Cr supplementation can lead to an improvement in performance. Most (2,4,8,10,13,20,24,25,31,35,40,48,60,74,79,88,94,1 12–114)
but not all (6,11,18,19,28,64,67,85,93,103) of the studies
indicate that Cr supplementation significantly enhances the
ability to produce higher muscular force and/or power output during short bouts of maximal exercise in healthy young
adults. Subjects in these studies have been of mixed athletic
ability and training status, from relatively untrained novices to
competitive college level athletes. At present, exercise perfor-
mances that are improved include: various protocols of short-
term, all-out cycling (2,4,8,13,20,25,48,79,94,110), sprinting
(10,24,40), repeated jumping (10,114), swimming (37,74),
kayaking/rowing (60,88), and resistance-exercise performance
(25,31,35,114).

Is that clear enough for you?

EDIT: Its kinda dumb to argue about a moot point.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm done.

Sorry for taking it so far off-topic folks. But hey, my thread, I can mess it up any way I like.