I think its been pointed out 'numerous' times that taking too much of anything is never good. Of COURSE I agree that excess protein is bad. Nobody is saying that you can never get enough protein.
Both your initial quotes are telling me that I do NOT take in enough protein. I train hard, 6 days a week, so obviously I do not qualify as the person going to the gym 3 times a week, at leisure.
Your quote about the vegetarian does NOT say that they can get enough without eating meat. It simply says that it is recommended that they eat MORE protein than normal, based on the fact that protein from plants does not digest as well as the protein from animal sources. Well no kidding, and a lot of vegetarians I know use protein shakes to shore up that inadequate supply of protein.
But one thing you 'never' pointed out is the importance of protein digestion. Its no secret that protein powders are absorbed VERY quickly by the body, hence their popularity, AND importance. If the quote you provided shows direct emphasis on the inability for plant protein to digest fast enough, therefore vegetarians should automatically consume MORE protein, doesn't that clearly show how important the fast absorbing protein powder is to a body that automatically craves protein after a workout?
I will quote one 'general' quote from the link you provided.
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although the performance of muscle is clearly better in the
presence of the PCr/Cr system than in its absence
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I think that sums it up pretty well.
Like you said, for hard-training athletes, it does work. Someone going to the gym 3 times a week certainly doesn't need Creatine, but hey, if it works for them, good.
There are NO health risks, despite your whining about it throughout the whole thread.
But one has to make sure the substance is not over-done, just like anything else.
I'll read through the study later on, as I'm busy with something else right now.
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I'm done trying to convince you specifically that they are bad.
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Thats good, because they're not.