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Originally Posted by blankall
What should the US have done? They were already giving them massive amounts of aid, which led to their economic recovery. To try and blame the current situation in Russia on Bush is absolutely ridiculous. Russia has and always will be a fiercely nationalist country.
If you give Russia aid they will see at as a cultural invasion and not goodwill. To blame the US for the corruption is absolutely ridiculous. Honestly what specifically did you expect them to do? (please answer this question for me before you go any further) Ignoring Russia? When did they ever ignore Russia? The truth is the Americans can only criticize Russia so much, even in economic downturn they would never risk open warfare w/ them.
So when Hillary gets elected next november will you still be spouting this America is a totalitarian state stuff, or will you find some other conspiracy theory to occupy your time? I hear that CSIS is using satellites to spy on us? I recommend a tinfoil hat of some kind.
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I am supposed to have the answer to that question? I am some kid on a message board! I am not saying i know how to lead the world, all i am saying is that in the last ~4 years activities in Russia have been accelerating and due to the Bush administrations proccupation with Iraq (both politically and financially) there is no sign that is going to slow. Condoleezza Rice is one of the worlds foremost experts on Soviet/Eastern-bloc politics, maybe she has some ideas?!
Fair or not that will be a legacy when it explodes on the world stage sooner than later.
Certainly Bush Sr and Clinton failed to take decisive action when they had the chance and they always have to take some academic blame for that. But it has been the total disillusionment of most of the worlds population due to THIS Bush that has allowed Russia to accelerate their efforts towards what is increasingly a fascist state.
The world didn't hate Clinton, and they didn't even hate Bush Sr. Bush junior has single handidly pushed world public opinion against America and its goals.
EVEN if Americans like his policies in the short term, EVEN if Clinton and BushSr should share the blame, i think the PERCEIVED REALITY, for better or worse, will come to focus on how anyone could have let Russia fall in the direction it is falling.
I am not commenting on how fair that is, just that i think it will be how it is.
I don't think i am conspiracy theorist at all though!? Where are you getting that from?
And i am NOT a Hillary supporter. To have 4 straight presidents over ~20 years+ from only two families would be disgusting and an afront to democracy. Why not just give them crowns if that is how people want to rotate power in America?
I think John Mccain would be my first choice, although more so the 4-8 year ago Mccain. So i think that leaves me with Obama, but mostly only because he is an outsider and America needs an outsider IMO.
I think my biggest concern out of all of that though is America's failure to lead by example. They can preach these big idealistic ideas about freedom but when the rest of the world looks inside the current American government i don't think they see much to be inspired by. And i doubt many want to build their own governments, for better or worse, in America's image. Why is it that Republicans themselves can be SO skeptical about 'their federal government and all of its waste' yet be so surprised when the rest of the world does not want their government either? The sad part is, when the American government is not hijacked by special interests and greed it is actually pretty inspirational i think!
The hindsight 100 years from now will be, what the hell was Bush doing all those years while democracy died?! Which is ironic considering his little war in Iraq had a stated purpose of spreading democracy.... too bad when he says 'democracy' he just means 'opening markets to exploitation'.
Claeren.