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Originally Posted by Ch40s

Just because you say something is true does not mean it is.

Speak for yourself.

Where are those links proving that Creatine does not build muscle mass?

I've grown extremely tired of scouring the internet for information to disprove ridiculous, biased, and plain old uneducated claims.

Better keep scouring some more.

It'll probably take forever to find something to back up the lies you've been spouting the past 3 pages.

Human growth hormone is naturally produced in the body too. Why doesn't everyone take it?

Feel free to argue about this with a qualified nutritionist. They know much more about it than I do and I'm sure most would love to lecture you about these topics.

You have yet to prove that Creatine does NOT build muscle mass, something YOU said. You have 'yet' to prove that protein powder is NOT a safe and effective way to help you get your need amount of protein each day. Sure I can eat eggs all day, drink milk, go out for a beef steak, but the truth is, after a workout you need protein that will be absorbed by your body quickly. There is a reason the PWO shake/meal/whatever is recommended within a 'half hour' after the workout.


Qualified nutritionists are recommending the stuff. Just because you can't seem to wrap your 'stubborn' head around the idea that is works, doesn't mean its 'not' the truth.

I asked you earlier in the thread to provide 'any' evidence to back up your claims. You have yet to do so. Even with your quotes, you provided no links.

But here, take a look at this...something YOU quoted.

and high protein foods are much more expensive than other foods

No way. I thought you said it would be cheaper on the wallet to eat high-protein foods instead of spending 40 bucks on protein powder that lasts me 4 months because I don't use it everyday?

More of your gems...

and the rest is turned into carbohydrates for energy, burned directly for energy, or stored as fat, because your body has no way of storing excess protein.

This is EVEN more likely 'without' the use of protein powder. There are many different types of foods HIGH in protein, but they contain very little amino acids. Eggs are one of the 'few' foods that contain all 9 essential amino acids needed for NPO. Notice I said 'few.' Protein powder on the other hand, ALSO contains all 9 essential amino acids need for NPO....therefore it is less likely that if you use protein powder that your body will convert the excess protein into carbohydrates or fat.

And more...

For athletes in training, the recommended protein intake is .5-.9 g/lb body weight. For example, a 150-lb athlete should consume 75-135 g of protein (0.5-0.9 g/lb body weight x 150 lb= 75-135 g of protein).

But wait...according to that I must consume almost 200 grams of protein each day.

Lets see, perhaps I should increase my egg consumption to 33 per day, but wait, that would equal almost 2300 MORE calories.

Or, I could drink 25 cups of 2% milk each day, but wait, that would equal almost '3300' MORE calories.

Or I could eat an equivalent of 5 MORE cups of Chicken Breast each day, but that would equal almost 1600 more calories each day.

Or, I could eat 6 more six oz cans of Tuna each day, equaling a modest 750 MORE calories.

Instead of going overboard with 'any' of that, I try to get 100 grams of protein from food, and 30 each day from protein powder. I've counted calories for a while now, and according to my records, WITHOUT the protein shake, I'd only be getting around 60-90 grams of protein each day. Considering my workout schedule, that is NOT enough. WITH the protein shake, and a can of tuna here and there, I can increase that amount to 150 grams per day, while at the SAME time, only eating a mere 2500 calories per day.

As might have noticed already, I am trying to cut at the same time, which means I can't eat egg whites left, right and center to get my protein.

The shake allows me to get my protein, but keep my calories down. Plus, it only accounts for 15% of what I 'should' be taking.

Both my doctor AND nutritionist recommend it for the time being; I am making gains WHILE using it; I do NOT have health risks....and you have yet to prove to me that is NOT safe.

Until than....well, I'll continue to use my protein powder. As you might have noticed, so will a lot of other people. And none of us are going to die, IF we use it 'not' as a meal replacement, but as it was intended, after your workout.