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Originally Posted by Ch40s

Links? I hope those don't come from a site selling Creatine.

See thats your problem.

You seem to think only the supplement sites will say something like that. Sure there are ads who talk about 'impossible' growth using Creatine, even if it has been scientifically proven to work.

http://www.trulyhuge.com/news/tips63jc.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...eatinecomb.htm

There is no doubt Creatine has an affect on you.

Really? I thought you said this earlier?

Edit: If creatine has any affect on you whatsoever, that affect is simply squeezing a little bit more performance out of you, not changing your capabilities.

I don't care what some random person says, I'm interested in the facts. I initially came to this thread looking for some facts about Creatine. Since no one provided any information about how it helps gain muscle mass outside of assisting in the Creatine Phosphate energy system, I looked into it further and have come to the conclusion that it does not assist significantly in everyday weightlifter's performance nor will it assist in muscle mass gain.

Creatine, generally, has negligible effects on the everyday weight lifter. If there was some anomally where one person took it and could lift 10 more pounds on the bench press and do the same amount of reps as before taking it, it would not help them gain muscle mass. It's simply helping the Creatine Phosphate energy system.

Ohhhh....facts indeed.

Changing your opinion after actually researching the subject at hand? Pretty funny from someone who was calling everyone else ignorant to start with.

The fact that an average guy who works 9-5 and goes to the gym 3 times a week thinks he needs to take supplements to better his performance is what astounds me.

Generalizing again. Your ignorance astounds me. Especially given how many times you've been wrong in this thread alone.

There are likely side-effects from most supplements. If you're an olympic athlete looking for an edge you'll accept the possible harm these supplements do to your body. It's like steroids. Why would an average person use them? I don't know.

Again you're wrong.

Steroids are not even comparable to Creatine. One is a 'natural' substance, something your body produces 'naturally.' The other? I don't think I have to explain it.

There is a reason one is banned, and the other isn't. Because frankly, in order to ban the use of Creatine, one would have to ban all the foods that contain it.

For some reason you can't wrap your head around that.

The fact there is conflicting reports about Creatine's benefits tells me we don't know enough about it to be sure of anything. If you're looking for an edge that you think Creatine will give you, why don't you save your money and yourself from potential harm and just put in a little extra work or better your diet a little?

There are not conflicting reports.

You have YET to show me ANY evidence that Creatine does not work.

In my opinion, it's just an easy way out.

That is your opinion.

Scientific experts disagree with you.

And here I thought you were only interested in the 'facts.'

I'm interested in the facts.

Its getting pretty pathetic the way generalize everyone into the same boat. We are NOT the idiots at your local gym trying to get you to use numerous different supplements because they saw some ad in a muscle magazine talking about the HUGE gains you'll make using their product.

The original point was about Creatine; does it work? Scientific research have SHOWN it to work. Get it?

Good, now leave. And thanks for ruining my thread.