Fair enough, though coming out and talking about suicide is about as blatant as you can get in the cry for help stage. More often than not, the signs are too subtle for loved ones to catch.
IMO, a cry for help is a different stage of the process. At that point, the person suffering still has some kind of hope, however faint. The attempt is usually made when all hope is lost. It is a change in mentality, imo.
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