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Originally posted by Bleeding Red@Feb 8 2005, 07:41 PM
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@Feb 8 2005, 07:19 PM
I'm saying there are jobs that are way more underpaid and thankless than waitressing.# At $7/hr, a guy at staples already makes less than an average waiter, and to top it off, the waiter gets tips.# So I suppose what I'm trying to saying is I'm against tipping in general if the system of tipping cannot be fair.
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Once again - Waiter earn less than minimum wage.
They earn more when you factor in tips.
The guy at staples, if he is only making minimum wage ($7.15 per hour) earns more than a waiter (without factoring in tips) - $6.85 per hour.
Another difference is that the waiter may only work 4-5 hours a day while staples guy works 7. Staples guy makes $.30 more per hour and works 1-2 hours longer than the waiter (and gets medical & dental and opportunities for advancement.)
Tips are the difference. And I understand how you feel about tips. yes there are worse jobs out there. (Restaurant manager being one of them).
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That's interesting, because most waiters I know make between $7.50 to $8/hr. I'm sure the class of the restaurant has a great deal to do with it.
I remember working at staples as a part timer. I worked on averge 20 hrs a week. Staples is wise enough to extend your hours, but they will refuse to give you "Full timer" status. It's a convenient way to avoid health insurance. Also, advancement is pretty hard to come by. Usually a person has to work there for 4-5 years before they see that opportunity. [/b][/quote]
Though I've mentioned this several times in the thread, it bears pointing out again.
The argument appears to be, "Servers get tipped because they're wage is so low". The reason I started this thread is to point out the possibility that "Servers get tipped because Restaurant Owners have cleverly passed their wages on to the customer in the form of Tipping".
The question is more about whether Servers (and the public) are being 'screwed' by Restaurant owners who are passing their expenses along to their customers. I understand this happens in business all the time, but I have no idea why it isn't 'hidden' like all other supply/demand issues from the customer.
A price for the product should be presented, plain and simple. I want to know what x product (service, etc.) will cost _before_ I pay for it. I think its dumb to 'rate' the service through a tax-free (?) donation that is _expected_ by the employee.