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Claeren · 02-06-2005, 10:20 AM

I wouldn't waste your breath arguing too long with Hoz if i were you.... :P

The USofA has ALREADY literally LOST billions of dollars in Iraq. Money that is simply gone. Before even looking at the amount of money embezzeled semi-legally through questionable contracting of major transnationals by the American government (the ties between them far exceeding ethical bounds and 1000x's worse then any corruption in the UN), i think it is obvious that the American government is as bad if not worse then the UN. Considering he is so worried about the UN being so bad for the world, it is most obvious that the alternative (some absolute American centralized aid giver?) is far worse....

He seems to argue that between two inefficient systems of aide and world governence the USA is the better choice. Unfortunatly while his logic is correct the lesser of two evils is the UN, particularily one supported by America instead of stymied by it....

But as you said Agamemnon, Hoz and this writer see some conservative utopia that just doesn't exist, and most ironic, it is that idea of a utopian vision that is THE major critisism they have with liberals/UN supporters...

Claeren.

02-06-2005, 10:20 AM	#7
Claeren Franchise Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Section 218 Exp:	I wouldn't waste your breath arguing too long with Hoz if i were you.... :P The USofA has ALREADY literally LOST billions of dollars in Iraq. Money that is simply gone. Before even looking at the amount of money embezzeled semi-legally through questionable contracting of major transnationals by the American government (the ties between them far exceeding ethical bounds and 1000x's worse then any corruption in the UN), i think it is obvious that the American government is as bad if not worse then the UN. Considering he is so worried about the UN being so bad for the world, it is most obvious that the alternative (some absolute American centralized aid giver?) is far worse.... He seems to argue that between two inefficient systems of aide and world governence the USA is the better choice. Unfortunatly while his logic is correct the lesser of two evils is the UN, particularily one supported by America instead of stymied by it.... But as you said Agamemnon, Hoz and this writer see some conservative utopia that just doesn't exist, and most ironic, it is that idea of a utopian vision that is THE major critisism they have with liberals/UN supporters... Claeren.