WOW!
I skipped over reading this thread because I knew it was old news, but then decided to look since I saw it extend past 4 pages. The fact that it's evolved into a debate about the merits of having scientific knowledge is just too much to skip. I usually disagree with evman on issues of politics, but it's refreshing to see someone who knows what he's talking about in terms of science.
I'm tempted to jump in myself and do some crazy calculations, or explain travel at relativistic speeds with "thought experiments," but it's becoming clear to me that it's futile. Some people get it...others are working on it. Unfortunately, the rest...the vast majority of people...will never understand facts, preferring instead to rely on half-truths and misinterpreted facts.
I have nothing to add here...I just wanted to make note of how depressing this thread has been to me. I get easily depressed when I've been drinking.
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