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Originally Posted by Bent Wookie
Hello pot, this is kettle.
There's irony in the fact that, although I don't know what happened there, I DO have some insight into the use of force by police. But, as one poster said when I urged him to do some research on the topic, 'I'll get right on that'. Its kinda the general feeling I get from the majority.
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If you want to call me a hypocrite, you should elaborate. How have I not considered the issue critically?
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Originally Posted by Bent Wookie
Icarus seriously.... you have no clue what you are saying.... you really don't. When I asked others to read up on the section, I guess I assumed they would be able to actually understand it as it pertains to law enforcement.
There was no indication of excessive force.
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LOL. I have no clue what I am saying, yet you claim there was no indication of excessive force when this guy ended up dead for resisting arrest?
To quote one of your phrases "Hello pot, this is kettle." It is a bit unusual for people to die from being tasered; this is enough for a prima facie argument for excessive force.
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
If we take all the information from the articles at face value and the subject did not comply with commands to stop doing what he was doing, using the taser would be considered appropriate use of force. The subject was displaying assualtive behavior and not complying with commands. The resulting death of the subject would not be considered within the use of force continuum.
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Why would the resulting death not be considered within the use of force continuum? Because of remoteness? Also, we have no indication of how the taser was applied, whether it was used appropriately or inappropriately. If the taser was used inappropriately, does this make any difference to the way you view the matter?
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
What happens if the guy had started shooting at the police, the police shoot back....they kill him but in the exchange of gun fire a bullet ricochets off a wall and kills a bystandered? Excessive use of force? NO, the out come was not reasonably expected to have occured.
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This is irrelevant because this pertains to injury sustained by a third party. Force was not directed against the bystander.