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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
Canada doesn't have to have more available jobs than all of Europe combined to have these people wish to come to Canada. You see no attraction for unskiled workers in Canada?
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Not from the countries in the article. And I've provided the reasons post after post, which you've ignored.
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
How about the fact that unskilled workers in Poland for example are making a few hundred dollars a month......they could be making 5-10 times as much in Canada. That is not insentive enough? As far as being expensive.....$400 for a ticket from London to Calgary. Not that expensive.
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Well you just said they're making a few hundred dollars a month. I think $400 would be pretty damn expensive then. And that's just the plane ticket. That doesn't include the cost of living when they get here, likely without a job. Why not go where they can take a bus and work legally? You've still ignored this point.
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
Most EU countries have certain residency requirements inorder to obtain social benifits. I don't know what kind of security features there are to prevent abuse. But since income tax in Sweden can be as high as 55% I can see why they would need it so high. To pay for all the social programs for its citizens and non-residents.
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This whole time you've been going on about immigrants skirting the requirements and illegally obtaining benefits, but all of a sudden they're going to do it legally in Sweden?? Why would Sweden's requirements for social benefits be a deterent for them to move there and not Canada's?? And as you have pointed out time and time again, illegal works don't pay taxes, so why would they care about the tax rate?
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
They are afforded the same charter rights as every Canadian other than the citizenship rights. Yes, they need a work permit to work illegally, but that is my point, they won't have one, ergo, they won't be paying into the social net. But....healthcare cannot be refused and many times these people use others healthcare cards to obtain services. There is no real way for healthcare professionals to verify who the owner of a health card is. (atleast in alberta. No picture no security features.) If they do claim refugee status they get free healthcare. Now I can't find anything right now but I have seen a few reports about the cost of unpaid healthcare costs. One showed that last year BC was out 10 million dollars because foreign nationals receiving healthcare services and then not paying. Now this wuould also include legal visitors to Canada.
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Well hell then, let's just stop everyone coming into Canada, wouldn't want to get stuck with anyone's unpaid bills. How would these visitors be more likely to leave unpaid bills than countries that don't require visas?
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
Ummm....yes they can. There is not one country in the world that Canada would not entertain an application for protection from. Including Germany, Poland, UK or even the US. So I am not sure who told you they couldn't.
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Ummm.... they don't need an entry visa to claim refugee status. So dropping the requirement for the visa changes nothing in regards to refugees. Not sure why you keep brining it up.
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
I was talking about Refugees not legal immigrants. Why would they go through the hasle to do it twice? Many reasons. Family in Canada, no jobs in their home country, not integrating into that country. Why do you think there were those riots in France last year? Because the immigrants/refugees could not find work and could not better there lives (as they saw it).
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Again, refugees are irrelevant to the discussion.
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
No, you are the one taking the word literally. Immigration Canada deals with every foreign national to Canada regardless if they are visiting, working, studing or permanently immigrating. They all fall under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
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I don't see any point in arguing semantics with you here -- I believe we're both talking about the chances of people on visas intending to immigrate (ie settle in Canada, not visit), right?