[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Table 5

ok...ok...so just because a few people want to illegally enter this country from Poland, that mean so does the rest of the entire populace. I see how your theory works...downplay someones attributes with this tactic, but when it comes to looking at the negatives, disregard it.

A lot more people would want to move to Canada from Poland compared to your comment "Clearly you don't know jack about Eastern-Europe. The Poles are actually quite renowed for their building/construction skills." implying that polish people are such great builders we should be begging for them, when both you and I know very few polish people would qualify to this title.

It's not about not putting visa restrictions on countries, it's about realizing that these countries aren't the big bad boogie man of a threat. Have you been to a place like Prague? That place makes most Canadian cities look like cultural cesspools..do you think everyone there wants to move to Hamilton and Edmonton.

No person said they were big bad apples and this is not about culture. If it was no one would want to leave Europe and the middle east. People could give two ***ts about culture if they cannot provide food and shelter to their family or having meaningful and gainful employment. People don't say "gee dear, I have a dead end job that barely puts food on the table and we have no access to healthcare but I don't want to move and better ourselves because we have some rich history in our country.

Besides, this country was BUILT on europeans (many of them dirt poor) coming to this country and making something of themselves. People always seem to forget that...but then again I'm sure you're native american and you've been here all along.

Don't compare the 19th and early 20th century to Canada now adays. This isn't about that. We are talking about maintaining the Canadian social net. Were talking about controlling our destiny. This is about making sure the social net that you, your parents and grandparents paid into os there for you when you need it. The system is in place to maintain that. If someone wants to immigrate to Canada and contribute to society and their livelyhood...they can.....but they still need a visa no matter what country they are from. When you remove the barriers from economically depressed locations it allows a huge influx of people to enter Canada and seek employment. That causes two problems. 1 since they didn't do it the legal way, then they probably are not skilled workers and 2 if they don't have a work permit they are not contributing to the social net, which you and I pay for. Our great great grandparents came over without ANY guarantees. No healthcare, no unemployment insurance, no wealthfare nothing. So I will tell you what, if these people want to come try out there hand without tapping in to our social net, then fine by me. But it doesn't work that way does it. As soon as they are here we give them everything.

If you've ever been to Slovenia, you'd know it's not that far of lifestyle wise from most of these countries listed. The chances of a Slovenian coming over aren't that much different than the rest. If it's clearly about population, I assume you would support Latvia (2mill), Lithuania (3mill) Slovakia (5 mill) entering...and hey, if its about GDP, the Czech Republic and Hungary are more or less around Slovenia anyway.

Population does count, the more people you have in an economically depressed country the chances of more people coming are greater. Pure math.

I'm not ignorant to think that there won't be people trying to get into this country, but I think the problem is that there are many countries on this list where the chance of this happening differs. The Czech Republic and a place like Romania are quite different along the development scale.

Your right every country is different and the countries currently on the visa list are there for a reason...because there has been a past history of visitor abuse. As far as I am concered I think we should require visa's from everyone that enters Canada other than from commonwealth nations and the usa. Hell, Australia requires visa's from almost everyone.