Ovechkin pushes a Russian fan in Vancouver?

[sureLoss]

7KDQbTOTc3M

Classy

[troutman]

He's a punk.

[transplant99]

Gritty play.

[kirant]

He just wanted to do that after it happened to him so many times in the game.

[mykalberta]

Until I see a view of what Ovechkin saw I wont judge.

Russian media sources should never be trusted unless verified.

[amorak]

Until I see a view of what Ovechkin saw I wont judge.

Russians should never be trusted unless verified.


Fixed it for you.

[Bertuzzied]

Crosby would have gave the fan a timbit.

[VladtheImpaler]

Fixed it for you.

As a Russian... I would have to agree.

[burn_this_city]

Too bad he didnt show that much heart and determination during the game.

[SOMBRI2]

gutsy.

[Resolute 14]

It's just because he's enthusiastic!

[Joborule]

I wonder why he pushed the camera? Makes no sense to do so out of the blue since he loves the attention.

[Cactus Jack]

I'm surprised he didn't try to knee this guy. What an arse clown.

[Buzzard]

As a Russian...


What are they saying when he pushed the camera?

[mykalberta]

I would also like to know. Ovie goes out of this normal walking path to do it, something had to happen or he knew the person/media organization who was filming it and they had wronged him in the past.

[GreenLantern]

Look at the two girls on the right trying to talk to Ovie... oh to be a pro hockey player..

[SkunkyJosh]

Crosby would have gave the fan a timbit.

I was wondering how long it would take for somebody to put Crosby into this thread. Got my answer, thanks. :bag:

[VladtheImpaler]

What are they saying when he pushed the camera?

No sound at work - sorry.

[SkunkyJosh]

Look at the two girls on the right trying to talk to Ovie... oh to be a pro hockey player..

I'd hit that! :w00t:

[Phaneufenstein]

What are they saying when he pushed the camera?

Please don't break (camera I presume)

[FlamesAddiction]

Haha... good stuff. You'd never see Crosby do that!

[Netskot]

who cares wether Crosby would do that or not? does that matter?

Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby, regardless of their personalities.

[mykalberta]

Uh oh :pop:

[Kybosh]

who cares wether Crosby would do that or not? does that matter?

Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby, regardless of their personalities.

Not yesterday he wasn't.

[burning_acid1]

Wow, what a guy...

[Netskot]

Not yesterday he wasn't.

what?

I thought they had the same production in yesterday's game?

or does Crosby take the credit of his teammates?

[Kybosh]

what?

I thought they had the same production in yesterday's game?

or does Crosby take the credit of his teammates?

Look, I'm not going to get into this because I just don't care. Crosby helped lead Canada to pummeling the Russians. This is enough for me for that one game.

[Netskot]

So did Morrow. Doesn't make him better than Ovechkin.

[Jets4Life]

To be fair to Ovie, he really hates losing, and if I can recall correctly, he once shuttled a cell phone across the room in the Caps dressing room after a losing streak a few years back (before they were the powerhouse that they were now). There is tremendous pressure on all these athletes, especially in Europe, since it's their version of the Stanley Cup.

I can recall some Swedish newspapers suggesting that Tommy Salo never return to Sweden if he were smart, after the fluke goal vs Belarus in 2002. Remember, these are pro athletes, not community leaders. Sure Ovi was pissed, but when you compare this to the actions of Michael Vick, Tiger Woods, and even Theo Fleury in the past, it's really tame, considering Russia was just knocked out of the Medal race.

[Kesler17]

Haha awesome

[mykalberta]

One other thing, where was this video taken. I have my doubts it was taken last night given the russian signage on the window behind him.

Also have the Russians been wearing sochi gear at the Olympics in vancouver? Seems fairly low brow if true.

[burn_this_city]

who cares wether Crosby would do that or not? does that matter?

Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby, regardless of their personalities.

Quit making arguments you can't back up.

[Henry Fool]

Sort of understandable, actually. Creepy people should stop shoving cameras in their faces without permission.

[Smell My Finger]

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s250/Juldust/xmaspresent.jpg

[timbit]

Crosby has outplayed Ovechkin badly in EVERY SINGLE elimination game the 2 have EVER played against each other....and there are many games to choose from...going back to WJC.
Sidenote...did Ovi forget how to speak English between his pregame and postgame interview?

[Winsor_Pilates]

One other thing, where was this video taken. I have my doubts it was taken last night given the russian signage on the window behind him.

Also have the Russians been wearing sochi gear at the Olympics in vancouver? Seems fairly low brow if true.
That is the current Russian Olympic gear. Their Russian house here is called "Sochi House" and my guess is they're in there.

[mykalberta]

Wow, talk about Russian classyness, unless in Turin Canada wore Vancouver on their outfits.

[HPLovecraft]

Sort of understandable, actually. Creepy people should stop shoving cameras in their faces without permission.

It's at the Winter Olympics. I am sure about an umpteen number of fans have cameras there taking pictures of all the athletes.

[Playfair]

It is probably fairly simple. He is probably pissed that he lost and didn't want to deal with fans. He was simply pissed.

Nobody can argue he has talent, but that was a mistake on his part. He isn't perfect but neither is anyone else.

It seems that in the big games he doesn't show up like he should, and I think he was simply pissed and did something stupid that he probably wouldn't have done normally.

I am thankful that Crosby represents Canada with heart and guts when everything is on the line. I admire that about him. I am also thankful that Ovie doesn't represent Canada, at least when he did something like that. That is just not professional.

Oh and GO CANADA!

[Canuck-Hater]

Unclassy move by the "fan" to stick a camera in his face. I find that disrespectful.

[RedHot25]

Maybe the Russian coach told him about this plan...

http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/canada_russia-5152/6/

But Russia's coach Vyacheslav Bykov was furious when asked about reports that the players had been seen at "social events" in the days leading up to the match. 'Don't look for something that isn't there," he said, as quoted by the Sovetski Sport paper. "You've already had a go at the footballers. The guys prepared seriously for the game." "Let's get the guillotine or the gallows out, yeah?" he went on. "We have 35 people in the squad, let's cut them all up on Red Square..." Things are unlikely to go that far, but Russia's ice-hockey players are assured a frosty reception when they return to snowbound Moscow.

[RyZ]

who cares wether Crosby would do that or not? does that matter?

Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby, regardless of their personalities.
He's sure showed it in every head to head, winner take all game he's ever had against Crosby. I was hoping to get an updated shot of Ovechkin crying and Malkin hugging him at the blueline like the famous pic from when Crosby and his team dominated them at the WJC.

[Sainters7]

On a side note, for some cheap laughs, double click on the video link to watch it on Youtube, hit the "Translate" button(its all in Russian), and read the comments underneath. It's right up there with that translated Swedish Huselius article from a couple years back.

Gotta love syntax and its inability to allow anything to be translated perfectly.

[Henry Fool]

It's at the Winter Olympics. I am sure about an umpteen number of fans have cameras there taking pictures of all the athletes.

During the competition, yes, but to film someone on the street like it's everyone right to do so shows zero respect for the person.

[Netskot]

I didn't say Ovechkin is more succesful then Crosby. Crosby can outplay him in every head to head game they play for the rest of their careers, it still isn't an indicator of being better than someone else. What if Ovechkin can't control his nerves and shuts down during most important games when over the course of the season, he puts up bigger numbers and outscores him?

[HPLovecraft]

During the competition, yes, but to film someone on the street like it's everyone right to do so shows zero respect for the person.

It's not on the street, it's in Sochi House.

[Iggy Snipe]

I would have punched him in the face and beat the out of him.

[Locke]

who cares wether Crosby would do that or not? does that matter?

Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby, regardless of their personalities.

Lord Stanley disagrees.

Further, are they making the players that live and work in North America go back to Russia for some form of corporal punishment?

[sureLoss]

During the competition, yes, but to film someone on the street like it's everyone right to do so shows zero respect for the person.

Its in Sochi House a place advertised as follows:

The Olympic and Paralympic Games in 2010 in Vancouver will be a significant milestone for the Sochi 2014 program, since it is in Vancouver that Russia’s Sochi will officially take over and become the focus of the next Winter Olympic Games. Unprecedented in its scale, the Sochi2014.ru World (http://sochi2014.com/sch_russianhouse), Russky Dom project will be the only official location for the Russian delegation in Vancouver.

The doors to Sochi World will be open from February 12-28 for everyone who wants to become a part of the big Russian celebration at the Vancouver 2010 Games. It will bring together well-known athletes, eager fans and officials from around the world.


Every day from 12 pm to 5 pm, activities for Sochi World guests will include: meetings with Russia’s celebrated athletes, as well as autograph signing and photo sessions, entertainment programs, contests, excursions and official project participant and Games Partner events.




Seems to me that filming or taking photos of famous people would be allowed

[Henry Fool]

If it's during an event and not just in a public place, it's different of course.

[liamenator]

I didn't say Ovechkin is more succesful then Crosby. Crosby can outplay him in every head to head game they play for the rest of their careers, it still isn't an indicator of being better than someone else. What if Ovechkin can't control his nerves and shuts down during most important games when over the course of the season, he puts up bigger numbers and outscores him?

Do you really fail to see the sheer idiocy of this argument?

[FlamesAddiction]

Unclassy move by the "fan" to stick a camera in his face. I find that disrespectful.

I agree. I hate that people think celebrities deserve less dignity than average people. Yeah, by the nature of fame, they give up some privacy, but they still deserve respect.

On Crosby vs. Ovechkin, I don't know if it possible to pick who is "better", but Crosby does seem like he couldn't care less about getting attention.. he only wants to have success. Ovechkin seems to like attention a lot and in the end, that could be a negative on him. Ovechkin definitely entertains me more though.

[timbit]

I didn't say Ovechkin is more succesful then Crosby. Crosby can outplay him in every head to head game they play for the rest of their careers, it still isn't an indicator of being better than someone else. What if Ovechkin can't control his nerves and shuts down during most important games when over the course of the season, he puts up bigger numbers and outscores him?

LMAO...please read that back to yourself...Netskot.

[frostiex]

after affect of this:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4107/2010russianaward.jpg

[Iggyinla]

who cares wether Crosby would do that or not? does that matter?

Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby, regardless of their personalities.

The whole tournament he wasn't.

[Blaster86]

When it is go time, and all the chips are down, I'll take Sidney. Ovechkin can score all the roll-over lacrosse goals during the regular season. He's better at scoring goals, but he is not better at hockey.

[jayswin]

I didn't say Ovechkin is more succesful then Crosby. Crosby can outplay him in every head to head game they play for the rest of their careers, it still isn't an indicator of being better than someone else. What if Ovechkin can't control his nerves and shuts down during most important games when over the course of the season, he puts up bigger numbers and outscores him?



Ahahahahahahahahahaha. This post seriously needs to be posted in an announcement, so it stays on the front page as the stupidest post ever on Calgarypuck, for all to see in the years to come. Hahahahahahah...........wait.........hahahahahahah ahah!!! Stupid, stupid, stupid! :w00t:

[pylon]

I didn't say Ovechkin is more succesful then Crosby. Crosby can outplay him in every head to head game they play for the rest of their careers, it still isn't an indicator of being better than someone else. What if Ovechkin can't control his nerves and shuts down during most important games when over the course of the season, he puts up bigger numbers and outscores him?

Not to pile on... but that is the very definition of being better. Performing under pressure when it counts.

[jayswin]

Not to pile on... but that is the very definition of being better. Performing under pressure when it counts.


In this case, piling on is perfectly fine, imo. That was the most ridiculous post I've ever seen. He seriously needs to read it back to himself about 50 times and critically think about what he's saying.

[minnow]

Ovechkin, what a tool. Wah, wah, leave me alone. That camera wasn't in his face until he walked over to it. peasant.

He does this to a 100lb girl waiting at the exit where fans are allowed to be? No excuses.

[jeremywilhelm]

Not to pile on... but that is the very definition of being better. Performing under pressure when it counts.


Haha, pile on. pileon. pyleon. Pylon.


That was on purpose?

[agubuan]

One other thing, where was this video taken. I have my doubts it was taken last night given the russian signage on the window behind him.

Also have the Russians been wearing sochi gear at the Olympics in vancouver? Seems fairly low brow if true.

I was in Vancouver the last few days and anybody and everybody who was Russian was rocking the Sochi gear.

[Netskot]

In this case, piling on is perfectly fine, imo. That was the most ridiculous post I've ever seen. He seriously needs to read it back to himself about 50 times and critically think about what he's saying.

Care to deconstruct my post?

JUst because Crosby outplays Ovechkin in their teams' meetings doesn't make him better.

Hasn't Ovechkin outscored Crosby in every season they've played in the NHL?

Ovechkin > Crosby.

[jeremywilhelm]

Care to deconstruct my post?

JUst because Crosby outplays Ovechkin in their teams' meetings doesn't make him better.

Hasn't Ovechkin outscored Crosby in every season they've played in the NHL?

Ovechkin > Crosby.

Why. You provide nothing to deconstruct. You are only stating your obviously very flawed opinion.

[Netskot]

Not to pile on... but that is the very definition of being better. Performing under pressure when it counts.

No. Having more skill is the definition of being better.

[TheSutterDynasty]

No. Having more skill is the definition of being better.

Feel free to attempt to quantify skill.

[Netskot]

If Ovechkin surpasses Gretzky in points without having won a single Cup, he will still be the greatest player ever.

[zamler]

No. Having more skill is the definition of being better.
Your definition of "better" doesn't align with pretty much everyone on the planet. In fact, ask Ovechkin what he would prefer, to be the best according to your definition, or have a Stanley Cup.
If Ovechkin surpasses Gretzky in points without having one a single Cup, he will still be the greatest player ever.
Ha ha, sure if you say so.

[Netskot]

It doesn't matter what he would prefer, hockey isn't tennis or golf where individual skill determines a winner.

The best player can play on a bad team and never win and still be the best.

[Peanut]

Oh my god. Let it go, guy.

[chalms04]

I was in Vancouver the last few days and anybody and everybody who was Russian was rocking the Sochi gear.
Makes sense, we are passing the Olympic flag to them on Sunday.

[Netskot]

I wouldn't have commented anymore had I not seen others disagree with me. Didn't think it would be up for debate imo.

[SuperMatt18]

If Ovechkin surpasses Gretzky in points without having one a single Cup, he will still be the greatest player ever.

Nope but he would be the greatest scorer ever, to be the greatest player in a sport you need to win a championship. Statistics only tell half of the story when it comes to ranking players.

Ron Francis has more points then Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman, and Joe Sakic, do you think that he is a better player than all those guys?

Ask Dan Marino if people see him as the greatest quarterback ever, he is probably the most talented but not the greatest because he never won a championship.

Performing in big games when it counts is what separates the great players from the legendary players.

[Netskot]

Ovechkin, what a tool. Wah, wah, leave me alone. That camera wasn't in his face until he walked over to it. peasant.

He does this to a 100lb girl waiting at the exit where fans are allowed to be? No excuses.

you wouldn't feel this way if he was Canadian or you Russian.

how is he a peasant?

[Netskot]

Nope but he would be the greatest scorer ever, to be the greatest player in a sport you need to win a championship. Statistics only tell half of the story when it comes to ranking players.

Ron Francis has more points then Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman, and Joe Sakic, do you think that he is a better player than all those guys?

Ask Dan Marino if people see him as the greatest quarterback ever, he is probably the most talented but not the greatest because he never won a championship.

Performing in big games when it counts is what separates the great players from the legendary players.

You're right, statistics do only tell half the story in determining who's better, but in a team sport, I don't think Championships tell the other half, there are too many other factors.

judging players by skill is much easier and more fair, I would think.

[jayswin]

I wouldn't have commented anymore had I not seen others disagree with me. Didn't think it would be up for debate imo.


Haha, you didn't think saying Ovechkin is better than Crosby would be up for debate? :w00t: I'm pretty sure it's one of THE most debated topics on the internet, lol.

[TheSutterDynasty]

you wouldn't feel this way if he was Canadian or you Russian.

I know plenty of Canadians who are tools.

You're Canadian, right?

[Netskot]

Haha, you didn't think saying Ovechkin is better than Crosby would be up for debate? :w00t: I'm pretty sure it's one of THE most debated topics on the internet, lol.

yet so many of you disagreed?

What's the common denominator? A website full of Canadians?

[Netskot]

I know plenty of Canadians who are tools.

You're Canadian, right?

wrong. but good job pointing out the first part.

[Diet Water]

yet so many of you disagreed?

What's the common denominator? A website full of Canadians?

I learned a while ago that this isn't a good place for a Crosby / Ovechkin debate.

Might as well just concede to the logic that playing on a better team makes you a better player.

[RyZ]

I learned a while ago that this isn't a good place for a Crosby / Ovechkin debate.

Might as well just concede to the logic that playing on a better team makes you a better player.
Crosby doesn't have even close to the offensive support that Ovechkin has. The Caps have almost 40 more goals than any other team in the NHL at the Olympic break. Caps have 4 point-per-game players to Pittsburghs 2. Pittsburgh has those same 2 guys with 40+ points right now and Washington has 7!! The better team debate shouldn't be even close, but it is. There's 1 really big reason for that and I bet you can guess what it is.

[Netskot]

fair enough.

[Chingas]

yet so many of you disagreed?

What's the common denominator? A website full of Canadians?


My my you are quick aren't you?

You are niether funny nor insightful. The Crosby Ovi debate has raged on for years now. Prior to the olymipics I used to think I would rather have AO on my team than Sid, but after watching the shear determination, heart, grit and talent that Sid brings you are correct It is no longer up for debate. Sid > Ovi
This is so true especially when it counts. You can be the highest scoring player in your street hockey tournament but if you can't translate that to the NHL it doesn't mean anything. Like wise you can be the highest scorer in regular season but if you can't translate that to big games ie playoffs it doesn't mean anything.

[Diet Water]

Crosby doesn't have even close to the offensive support that Ovechkin has. The Caps have almost 40 more goals than any other team in the NHL at the Olympic break. Caps have 4 point-per-game players to Pittsburghs 2. Pittsburgh has those same 2 guys with 40+ points right now and Washington has 7!! The better team debate shouldn't be even close, but it is. There's 1 really big reason for that and I bet you can guess what it is.

I am referring to last year, the Penguins were a better team than Washington. We will see what happens this year.

[Netskot]

Crosby doesn't have even close to the offensive support that Ovechkin has. The Caps have almost 40 more goals than any other team in the NHL at the Olympic break. Caps have 4 point-per-game players to Pittsburghs 2. Pittsburgh has those same 2 guys with 40+ points right now and Washington has 7!! The better team debate shouldn't be even close, but it is. There's 1 really big reason for that and I bet you can guess what it is.

I would argue that the reason Caps score more and have more productive players would be BECAUSE of Ovechkin, no?

[Diet Water]

My my you are quick aren't you?

You are niether funny nor insightful. The Crosby Ovi debate has raged on for years now. Prior to the olymipics I used to think I would rather have AO on my team than Sid, but after watching the shear determination, heart, grit and talent that Sid brings you are correct It is no longer up for debate. Sid > Ovi
This is so true especially when it counts. You can be the highest scoring player in your street hockey tournament but if you can't translate that to the NHL it doesn't mean anything. Like wise you can be the highest scorer in regular season but if you can't translate that to big games ie playoffs it doesn't mean anything.

Ovechkin's playoff PPG is better than Crosby's.

[Netskot]

My my you are quick aren't you?

You are niether funny nor insightful. The Crosby Ovi debate has raged on for years now. Prior to the olymipics I used to think I would rather have AO on my team than Sid, but after watching the shear determination, heart, grit and talent that Sid brings you are correct It is no longer up for debate. Sid > Ovi


Crosby can have all the shear determination, heart and grit you want, he is still less talented than Ovechkin. In addition, Crosby's support cast, overall, was better than Ovechkin's. I don't think it's fair to judge them based on that.

This reminds me of an argument people put forth of T. Brady being better than P. Manning because he has more rings.

[Ark2]

People are funny. Ovechkin is seen as a choker, because, among other things, he played poorly in game 7 vs. the Pens in last year's playoffs. That was arguably the only game that he did not dominate in, yet he is not a clutch player. Crosby, on the other hand, completely disappeared during the last two rounds of the playoffs, but he was able to ride his teammates past Carolina and Detroit, so he is the better player. Pure comedy.

[pope04]

No. Having more skill is the definition of being better.

Being able to use your skill under pressure is another.

[pope04]

Crosby can have all the shear determination, heart and grit you want, he is still less talented than Ovechkin. In addition, Crosby's support cast, overall, was better than Ovechkin's. I don't think it's fair to judge them based on that.

This reminds me of an argument people put forth of T. Brady being better than P. Manning because he has more rings.


Nice backtrack. Your first quip in this thread is "Ovechkin is a better player than Crosby."

Obviously two different things.

[Kesler17]

Ovechkin and Semin were at Venue last night, a popular club on Granville.

[kremb]

Reckless - one thing Crosby certainly isn't.

[theg69]

Seriously, just GIVE IT UP already. Its like arguing apples and oranges. Some will prefer one, and some will just prefer the other.

Personally, I have always liked Crosby better because of his pure grit, determination, and ability to work within a team. Ovechkin typifies the Russian player, highly skilled, flashy, will to win... but highly individualistic. Until he leads his team to a major championship or title, I would build a team around Crosby over Ovechkin.

@Netskot: really, you should've stopped after you completedly contradicted yourself on that one post (you still haven't really acknowledged how poorly you worded it).
Seriously, let everyone have their own opinion.

The argument re: the calibre of the NHL teams they play for. That is crap. Washington is as good a team as Pittsburgh with as many superstars (Backstrom, Greene, Semin say hi). You guys (Diet Water included) make it sound like the Caps are the Edmonton Oilers without Ovechkin. They are two talented teams with two high profile players that made it to the seventh game of the playoffs and people are merely pointing out that everytime Crosby and Ovechkin seem to meet, Crosby's team will usually win.
Now for the sake of argument, is the Canadian junior team THAT much better than the Russian junior team when Ovechkin and Crosby played for them, and even this olympics, is the Canadian team THAT much better than Russian team (hell, Russia was ranked first coming into the olympics).
The resouding answer is NO, these teams are comparables and guess what, Crosby and Canada won both times.

You are entitled to your own opinion. I don't expect you to change yours, but I would also expect you don't expect to change mine or anybody else that thinks differently.

[timbit]

I am referring to last year, the Penguins were a better team than Washington. We will see what happens this year.

You mean when Washington was up 3-2 in the series vs. Pittsburgh and Crosby outplayed Ovi in Game 6 and 7 to allow Pitt to move on...

yep...Ovi and Wash folded like a cheap tent and I guess Pitt was the better team and Crosby was the better leader and player.

Again...who is the better player ( champion) ?

[Diet Water]

You mean when Washington was up 3-2 in the series vs. Pittsburgh and Crosby outplayed Ovi in Game 6 and 7 to allow Pitt to move on...

yep...Ovi and Wash folded like a cheap tent and I guess Pitt was the better team and Crosby was the better leader and player.

Again...who is the better player ( champion) ?

Ovechkin had 4 points in game 6 + 7

Crosby had 5.

Yeah, huge difference. I didn't realize it was that 5th point that was the difference between disappearing in big games, and being clutch. Your logic is awesome.

On a side note, Malkin also had 5 points in those 2 games.

Green, Backstrom, and Semin all combined for 3 points.

But none of that matters, Crosby was the only reason the Penguins won the cup!!!1!

[PIMking]

so no "in soviet russia" jokes?

CP let me down.

[stang]

Crosby would have gave the fan a timbit.

So would Paul Baxter. :blink:

[Rhettzky]

so no "in soviet russia" jokes?

CP let me down.

In Soviet Russia you let CP down.

[frostiex]

Care to deconstruct my post?

JUst because Crosby outplays Ovechkin in their teams' meetings doesn't make him better.

Hasn't Ovechkin outscored Crosby in every season they've played in the NHL?

Ovechkin > Crosby.

If you are counting goals only...then maybe. But Gretzky is still consider one of the best player for being a setup guy. Not only for goals scored. Remember Gretzky's office?:whistle:
Being a public figure, specially hockey players. You are not being judged only by your scoring abilities. But what type of person you are. How you treat your fans. This is why we all love Iggy, not just when he scores.

Crosby is still > Ovechkin

[MJM]

Why do you people even debate with people like Diet Water? He's clearly an Ovechikin fan boy in every sense of the word. There's nothing you can say (or any stat or fact on the planet) that is going to change their mind. My bet is you are arguing with a teenager. He should have made my ignore list last time he talked about Ovechkin, he's made it now.

[Cactus Jack]

In my opinion, Crosby is clearly the superior player. The most talented isn't always the best. You can like whomever you want but this assanine arguements for Ovechkin are ridiculous.

you wouldn't feel this way if he was Canadian or you Russian.

Crosby isn't better because he's Canadian, he's simply better. Jagr, a Czech, was the best player on earth for about a decade, no one argued that. Get over the discrimination card.

People are funny. Ovechkin is seen as a choker, because, among other things, he played poorly in game 7 vs. the Pens in last year's playoffs. That was arguably the only game that he did not dominate in, yet he is not a clutch player. Crosby, on the other hand, completely disappeared during the last two rounds of the playoffs, but he was able to ride his teammates past Carolina and Detroit, so he is the better player. Pure comedy.

Ovechkin is a choker, he's proven it over and over in the 3 biggest games of his life. In the WJ game against Canada, he was dominated and beat up. In game 7 against Pittsburgh, Ovechkin did nothing but put one goal on the board but only after Pittsburgh was up 5-0. By the way, Crosby had 2 goals and an assist in that game, including the game's first goal. And now again against Canada in the Olympics.

Crosby dominated against Washington and won the series against Philly himself. Malkin did outscore him against Carolina and Detroit, but look closely at the matchup. Babcock put Draper, Zetterberg, Cleary and Lidstrom on Crosby at all times, not on Malkin. That shows you who the Wings worried most about. Crosby drew the team's top 4 checkers to allow room for others. That's why he's the best in the game. He can score 100+ points a year and actually play at both ends of the ice. Oh, that and the fact that he has 2 career fights to Ovechkin's 0.

[Bertuzzied]

So would Paul Baxter. :blink:
6 timbits wouldn't even make a doughnut.

Crosby would have gave the fan a gatorade. Crosby just doesn't stop.

[Netskot]

Oh, that and the fact that he has 2 career fights to Ovechkin's 0.

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

[Netskot]

Crosby isn't better because he's Canadian, he's simply better.

Ovechkin has more individual awards and more points than Crosby.

You = lose.

[Winsor_Pilates]

What was the over/under on when this thread turns into another stupid Ovechkin/Crosby debate?

[Netskot]

What was the over/under on when this thread turns into another stupid Ovechkin/Crosby debate?

it was inevitable the minute someone mentioned something along the lines of "OMG! Ovechkin did what?!? Crosby would never do that! I heart Crosby!"

Crosby :kiss:CP

[domingo]

I wonder why he pushed the camera? Makes no sense to do so out of the blue since he loves the attention.

I thought he injured his left hand in the game and it seems that he pushed with his left hand.

[HPLovecraft]

I thought he injured his left hand in the game and it seems that he pushed with his left hand.

His left hand was fine once they had lost. It's his modus operandi.

I'll never get sick of this:

http://z.about.com/d/proicehockey/1/0/1/5/ovechkin_2005_junior_Jeff_Vinnick.jpg

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20100224/116691.jpg

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/201002/20100225crosby_500.jpg

[Netskot]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20100224/116691.jpg



that's a great picture. rivals the likes of ..


http://www.videos-deporte.net/img_videos/MAGIC-JOHNSON-Y-LARRY-BIRD-LAKERS-CELTICS.jpg

[Cactus Jack]

I'm not trying to turn this into a flame war. People can like who they please but I refuting some ridiculous statements, that's all.

Ovechkin has more individual awards and more points than Crosby.

You = lose.

I don't know why you used the equal sign when clearly math isn't your strong point. Ovechkin has played 27 more career games over the past 5 years but Crosby has more points per game.
http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

It's the truth, face it.

[amorak]

Russians are seedy and untrustworthy, so that alone makes Crosby a better hockey player than AO, even if the Crosby I am talking about is named Bing.

Sarcasm alert Sarcasm alert! I actually like Russians...who lose to Canada!

[Diet Water]

Why do you people even debate with people like Diet Water? He's clearly an Ovechikin fan boy in every sense of the word. There's nothing you can say (or any stat or fact on the planet) that is going to change their mind. My bet is you are arguing with a teenager. He should have made my ignore list last time he talked about Ovechkin, he's made it now.

:lol:

Fan boy, teenager.

What a complete moron, coming from the guy who has based all of his opinions of Ovechkin on just one game, it doesn't surprise me though.

[Daradon]

You don't want to see an athlete do something like this for any reason.

On the other hand, people are expecting way to much access into celebrities lives.

How would you feel if someone was filming you after what was surely one of the most disappointing moments of your life?

As well, as others have mentioned, it's hard to know exactly what was happening from that video clip.

[jayswin]

You don't want to see an athlete do something like this for any reason.

On the other hand, people are expecting way to much access into celebrities lives.

How would you feel if someone was filming you after what was surely one of the most disappointing moments of your life?

As well, as others have mentioned, it's hard to know exactly what was happening from that video clip.


That's part of being a proffessional athlete, and a celebrity.

[Daradon]

PS this whole Crosby vs. Ovechkin pissing match is ridiculous and childish, I hope you all can see that.

I choose to enjoy watching both players. I love that Crosby is a Canadian and is on our side, but I love watching Ovie's highlights all season. I love that the two are bringing a energy and rivalry that only helps this sport we all love so much.

Both have their pluses and both have their minuses. According to some, one is a whiner and the other is a egotistical punk. But things like this were said about all great players through history.

Prefer one or the other if you like. That's fine, and wholly understandable. But I hope you realize how dumb you sound when you start bringing it down to this level.

[Daradon]

That's part of being a proffessional athlete, and a celebrity.

Meh, I don't buy that 100%. I mean I do expect that people will know more about you and there will be times you have to put up with it and even play up to it.

But our whole culture of media has gone way overboard in the last 10 years. And that, coupled with technology, is turning everyone into voyeurs who believe they have access everywhere.

Again, I don't condone what Ovie did, it looked kinda loserish, but it is in many ways understandable.

[HPLovecraft]

Meh, I don't buy that 100%. I mean I do expect that people will know more about you and there will be times you have to put up with it and even play up to it.

But our whole culture of media has gone way overboard in the last 10 years. And that, coupled with technology, is turning everyone into voyeurs who believe they have access everywhere.

Again, I don't condone what Ovie did, it looked kinda loserish, but it is in many ways understandable.

I guess it can be attributed to a personality flaw on his part then. He's in Sochi House, where it's advertised as a place for athletes and fans to interact.

[Diet Water]

Meh, I don't buy that 100%. I mean I do expect that people will know more about you and there will be times you have to put up with it and even play up to it.

But our whole culture of media has gone way overboard in the last 10 years. And that, coupled with technology, is turning everyone into voyeurs who believe they have access everywhere.

Again, I don't condone what Ovie did, it looked kinda loserish, but it is in many ways understandable.

I agree with the logic, but at the same time Ovechkin isn't the only person having to deal with these kind of things.

There are people who deal with it more frequently than Ovechkin, and you don't see them pushing people over.

[Daradon]

I guess it can be attributed to a personality flaw on his part then. He's in Sochi House, where it's advertised as a place for athletes and fans to interact.

Fair enough, that would be a point to be taken into consideration.

As someone said before, it would be nice to see what Ovechkin saw before a judgment is made. It's kinda hard to figure out exactly what's going on from the one clip.

Again, not giving him a free pass, just don't like having one side of the story.

[Ark2]

Ovechkin is a choker, he's proven it over and over in the 3 biggest games of his life. In the WJ game against Canada, he was dominated and beat up. In game 7 against Pittsburgh, Ovechkin did nothing but put one goal on the board but only after Pittsburgh was up 5-0. By the way, Crosby had 2 goals and an assist in that game, including the game's first goal. And now again against Canada in the Olympics.

Crosby was invisible during the last two series in last season's playoffs. Why is he getting credit for what his team did? Look at the last two game 7's of the Stanley Cup finals. Where was Crosby? He was invisible. He did nothing. His team won those games for him, and yet he is given all the credit. Ovechkin had one bad game and he is a choker? That's a load of BS.

Crosby dominated against Washington and won the series against Philly himself. Malkin did outscore him against Carolina and Detroit, but look closely at the matchup. Babcock put Draper, Zetterberg, Cleary and Lidstrom on Crosby at all times, not on Malkin. That shows you who the Wings worried most about. Crosby drew the team's top 4 checkers to allow room for others. That's why he's the best in the game. He can score 100+ points a year and actually play at both ends of the ice. Oh, that and the fact that he has 2 career fights to Ovechkin's 0.

How is that any sort of excuse? When you are the best player on your team, you will be checked the hardest. Crosby couldn't overcome that, yet his team won, so all is forgiven and he is the better player? Give me a break. You're reasoning is pretty absurd.