CP Car Draft - Workshop Thread

[GirlySports]

A car draft has been suggested a few times.

Here are some possible categories.

pre-60's
60's
70's
80's
90's
Truck
SUV
Coupe
Asian
European
American

Feel free to suggest more categories.

Sign up by saying I'm IN.

[Coach]

hey yay! thanks for using my idea Girly! Im in

[SebC]

I feel like I'd have to be older to be effective here, MattyC's entry notwithstanding. May participate nonetheless but I'll decide that later.

[STeeLy]

Hm... I'll go in on it..

[SebC]

Looks like this needs more people. I'll have to do some research, but I'll join.

How about price categories?
FWD?
AWD?
Rally car?
Hatchback?
Sedan?
Wild cards?

[STeeLy]

Price Range seems good
Class also works (ie. Economy/compact, sub compact, intermediate, full size)
Fuel Economy (probably won't work that well)

[TimSJ]

I am in on this one for sure

[TimSJ]

here are some of my category suggestions:

Pre War
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
2000's
Current car in production
European
Asian
Big 3
Race Car
Sedan
Coupe
Convertable
Concept Car

I am sure i can come up with a few more

[STeeLy]

Limited Edition cars as well maybe?

[Coach]

I like TimSJ's categories

[STeeLy]

Instead of Race Car, I'd have it as Sports Cars

[TimSJ]

I would maybe add exotic as well..

i thought about sports car on its own as well but figured it could be covered in the one of the other catergories.

[STeeLy]

but what constitutes as a race car? I'm a little confused on that part.

[TimSJ]

nascar, indy, f1, rally, autocross, drift, offroad, dtm, lemans etc

[STeeLy]

nascar, indy, f1, rally, autocross, drift, offroad, dtm, lemans etc
Oh.. THOSE kinds of cars. Alright! Yeah, that could be a category...

[GirlySports]

Still only 4 people so far.. we'll keep it open until it fills up more.

[Boblobla]

Luxury Sedan or just Luxury would be a good category.

[3 Justin 3]

I am definitely in on this one.

How about cars that cost more than $300,000. Or some of these:

Cars that go over 200MPH.
Cars from Italy.
Cars from Germany.
Cars in Europe, but outside Germany, Italy, and Britain. (like Spanish, Dutch, cars.)
Cars from Britain.
Mid-engined Cars.
Convertible Cars.
Best Ferrari.
Most useless car (pinto, chevette, gremlin, etc.)
Cars from movies/tv. (Knight Rider, Batmobile, etc.)

The bolded ones could easily be done instead of the category (European), because there are a LOT of euro cars.

[SebC]

I am definitely in on this one.

How about cars that cost more than $300,000. Or some of these:

Cars that go over 200MPH.
Cars from Italy.
Cars from Germany.
Cars in Europe, but outside Germany, Italy, and Britain. (like Spanish, Dutch, cars.)
Cars from Britain.
Mid-engined Cars.
Convertible Cars.
Best Ferrari.
Most useless car (pinto, chevette, gremlin, etc.)
Cars from movies/tv. (Knight Rider, Batmobile, etc.)

The bolded ones could easily be done instead of the category (European), because there are a LOT of euro cars.I think it would be more useful to have, for example <$300,000 cars and <200 MPH. The supercars will probably get picked anyways, having more restricted categories would make it more fun. "Ferrari" seems a pretty useless category as well. I do think the "fictional/movie" car is a good idea for a category. Clear up whether they're elligilble or not by making a specific home for them, inelligible elsewhere. For price brackets, I'd love to have a <$50,000 and a $50,000-$100,000 category (probably USD, to make things easier). I also support having more categories/more specific categories if it's going to be a small number of people in the draft, but if it gets to more than 10 you really don't need to split up Europe IMO. Maybe add wildcards too.

My categories would be (using Tim's list as a base):

Pre War
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
2000/Current (merged)
European
Asian
North American (changed from Big 3, yes there are others)
Race Car
Sedan
Coupe
Convertable
Concept Car
Movie Car
<50,000 USD
<100,000 USD

[psycho_demonata]

hmm ... this oughta be interesting, I'm in

there's not many people though ...

[the lemming]

If this goes ahead I would mind trying this. I'm no car expert but there is probably a much smaller chance of me getting into trouble with this draft then the Hottie one.

[WindomURL]

If this goes ahead I would mind trying this. I'm no car expert but there is probably a much smaller chance of me getting into trouble with this draft then the Hottie one.

You're already in trouble with the grammar police.

[the lemming]

You're already in trouble with the grammar police.

Well I guess I will just have to pack up my ball and go home than... :)

[Regulator75]

Maybe add a <$20,000 USD category too.

[SebC]

Maybe add a <$20,000 USD category too.I'm assuming it would the price categories would be limited to new car MSRPs for simplicity... to me that's too much like having a 70+ category in the hottie draft. IMO <$20,000 you're basically drafting Sentras and whatnot that are pretty ordinary. Or maybe I just haven't done my reasearch?

[3 Justin 3]

I'm assuming it would the price categories would be limited to new car MSRPs for simplicity... to me that's too much like having a 70+ category in the hottie draft. IMO <$20,000 you're basically drafting Sentras and whatnot that are pretty ordinary. Or maybe I just haven't done my reasearch?

No, there really isn't anything good for under $20,000 (new that is). And if someone tells me a Kia is good, I am going to come to your house and break your neck.

[Regulator75]

No, there really isn't anything good for under $20,000 (new that is). And if someone tells me a Kia is good, I am going to come to your house and break your neck.

That's the trick, find the "best" vehicle you can for under $20,000

[SebC]

That's the trick, find the "best" vehicle you can for under $20,000Yeah, but why have a category that forces you to pick something that nobody wants? I like the <$50,000 because there are some sweet cars in the category that aren't super expensive. You don't want an "Edmonton girls" category in the hottie draft, so a <$20,000 car draft category, IMO, doesn't make much sense either.

*disclaimer* There's actually some great women from Edmonton, but it's CP so I had to.

[Regulator75]

You don't want an "Edmonton girls" category in the hottie draft, so a <$20,000 car draft category, IMO, doesn't make much sense either. disclaimer* There's actually some great women from Edmonton, but it's CP so I had to.

Now that's funny.

They did have Train Wrecks as a category... So... You never know.:bag:

[Fozzie_DeBear]

I'm in...

I can find cars in much less time than a hottie draft.

[3 Justin 3]

That's the trick, find the "best" vehicle you can for under $20,000

There isn't best, there is only: Not as bad as the others.

[Coach]

my car is <20 000 .....and I like it. Obviously I would rather drive an Aston Martin, but just because it's the kind of car most people drive doesnt make them bad

[driveway]

I'm so in on this one. I like the idea of a sub 20k category... or perhaps a sub 5k "used" category: the awesomest car you can find for sale on the interwebs for less than 5 gees.

[STeeLy]

How do we determine under 20K?

Are we using an out the door price? or just the MSRP?

[TimSJ]

would have to be MSRP i would think.. easiest way.

[arsenal]

i am in for this one..

[SebC]

or perhaps a sub 5k "used" category: the awesomest car you can find for sale on the interwebs for less than 5 gees.Okay... I can live with under 20k (although I'm still morally opposed to it), but under 5K used is just ridiculous. Not to say you can't find gems, but how do you know what kind of condition it's really in until you actually see it? Plus, I really just don't want to have to do that much research.

[TimSJ]

i am not a big fan of the under 20k either.. but if people like it than so be it.. i can come up with something.

[Coach]

do we have enough people to get this started?

[TimSJ]

Here is who we have so far.

TimSJ
MattyC
SebC
Steely
3Justin3
Lemming
pysco_D
Fozzie
Arsenal
Driveway

Anyone else..

[3 Justin 3]

Here is who we have so far.

TimSJ
MattyC
SebC
Steely
3Justin3
Lemming
pysco_D
Fozzie
Arsenal
Driveway

Anyone else..

10 seems good. Is everyone happy with 10, or should we go for 12, or 15?

[Coach]

ten's fine. Short and sweet drafts seem to work the best.

[SebC]

Before we start, what constitutes a seperate model? In particular, do different generations count as different cars? Coupe/convertible = same car? etc.

[STeeLy]

10 should be good to start.

[3 Justin 3]

So we're good with the amount of people, now we need to confirm the categories?

[GirlySports]

Yes please confirm the categories :)

[TimSJ]

Here is one of the lists from earlier in the thread combination on SebC and mine.. anything to add or take away

Pre War
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
2000/Current (merged)
British
European
Asian
North American (changed from Big 3, yes there are others)
Race Car
Sedan
Coupe
Convertable
Concept Car
Movie Car
<50,000 USD
<100,000 USD/ Exotic

[STeeLy]

Instead of having it <50 000 USD... maybe you could have something like between 30 000 and 50 000 USD and the between 50 001 to 100 000 USD

[TimSJ]

personally i am not a huge fan of the price categories as i think they are all covered off with the other ones anyways and some of the cars that could be picked are not availble or priced in USD

[Barnes]

May I get in? I will do a better job than the TV draft.

May I suggest a formula in actually how to have a competition at the end of the draft...

Something like (Total hp * AVG 0-60 times) - Total MSRP

The bigger the number the better.

[TimSJ]

only problem with that is determining the MSRP of some of the cars. Pre-war cars as an example. how do you determine the pricing? same with hp and 0-60 times etc.. easy for modern cars but much harder for the old stuff.. race car etc

[the lemming]

I haven't been involved in one of these drafts before, other then looking at the pictures in one of them, so I wasn't sure how winners are determined. I was curious how this would be done. Perhaps it is just for fun.

There seems to be an awful lot of categories. I would vote for axing the price ones for sure as they don't seem necessary to me. I'm also not big on the concept car one; I would prefer to stick to real cars.

[STeeLy]

I think no price too if anything, but if people are insistent on price, I would rather have a between $XXXXX and $XXXXX instead of under $XXXXX

[TimSJ]

How about this as a final list.. Any objections? Doesn't matter much to me.. I could pick for ever.. I seem to have a sickness for cars.

Keeps everything pretty general..

Pre War
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
2000 and up (late model)
British
European
Asian
North American
Race Car
Sedan
Coupe
Convertible
Movie Car
Exotic

[STeeLy]

Movie car = fictional cars in movies? or real cars that have been in movies?

[TimSJ]

i would say either... Batmobile or one of the rice rockets of fast and furious

[psycho_demonata]

Fictional cars would work better since well real cars that has been in movies will be under the other categories anyways.

But anyways those categories seems good to me

[STeeLy]

Or either or... as long as they fit the category of being in a movie...

I'm good with those categories...

[TimSJ]

May I get in? .

I don't see why not.

So the entry list would be

The List:
TimSJ
MattyC
SebC
Steely
3Justin3
Lemming
pysco_D
Fozzie
Arsenal
Driveway
Barnes

[STeeLy]

So when can we start?

[GirlySports]

So when can we start?

Do you guys still want me to admin it? We can start around 4:00.. I have a couple things to do around the house..

Categories

Pre War
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
2000 and up (late model)
British
European
Asian
North American
Race Car
Sedan
Coupe
Convertible
Movie Car
Exotic

I don't know anything about cars.. so I may need help with some definitions.

Any other objections speak before 4pm..


Do you guys want to go in snake-order or straight through?

If snake-order, you need to add or remove one category to get an even number.

[TimSJ]

of course we want you to admin it!! and thanks

my vote would be for snake and maybe add back in Concept car..

what do the rest of you think?

[STeeLy]

I'm with Tim.

[arsenal]

I'm with Tim.
x2

[GirlySports]

CP Car Draft has started, see new thread for details.

[the lemming]

I don't want to mess up the official draft thread so I will ask a few clarifying questions here...

Country/Regional Categories - I'm assuming we are talking about the country in which the manufacture's head office is in. I don't think we want to see someone trying to pass off a Mexican made BMW as a North American car.

Sedan/Coupe/Convertible - If someone picked say a 2009 BMW 3-series coupe would the 2009 BMW 3-series sedan or convertible still be valid picks?

Generations - If I pick say a 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan does that mean Dodge Caravans are off the board or could they pick at 2009 Dodge Caravan?

Exotic - Is there a definition for Exotic?

Man oh man, I'm feeling so unprepared. This should be interesting.

One other really dumb question... how do you imbed the pictures in your post?

Thanks

[STeeLy]

how do you imbed the pictures in your post?Thanks

With IMG tags.

*Insert Image location on web*

[doozwimp]

Im not really a car buff, but i would be interested in doing some research. Im in if there are any spaces.

[GirlySports]

I don't want to mess up the official draft thread so I will ask a few clarifying questions here...

Country/Regional Categories - I'm assuming we are talking about the country in which the manufacture's head office is in. I don't think we want to see someone trying to pass off a Mexican made BMW as a North American car.

Sedan/Coupe/Convertible - If someone picked say a 2009 BMW 3-series coupe would the 2009 BMW 3-series sedan or convertible still be valid picks?

Generations - If I pick say a 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan does that mean Dodge Caravans are off the board or could they pick at 2009 Dodge Caravan?

Exotic - Is there a definition for Exotic?

Man oh man, I'm feeling so unprepared. This should be interesting.

One other really dumb question... how do you imbed the pictures in your post?

Thanks


I would say yes, yes, no and no idea... you guys will have to help out and we'll figure it out as we go.

doozwimp: sorry we're full.

[SebC]

IMO different generations should count as different cars, just not different model years... there's a huge difference between a 1958 and a 2010.

[STeeLy]

I think Different Generations should be counted as different cars... I mean... a 1998 Dodge Grand Caravan is significantly diferrent than a 2008 model...

[GirlySports]

Ok so yes to all three of those..

what qualifies as exotic? :)

[SebC]

Ok so yes to all three of those..

what qualifies as exotic? :)Probably anything that'll get picked. It's almost a wildcard.

I think the elephant test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_test) applies here...

[3 Justin 3]

Probably anything that'll get picked. It's almost a wildcard.

I think the elephant test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_test) applies here...

So exotic could be anything outside of N.America, since that would technically be true? Sound good?

[the lemming]

I'm not sure that I would agree with limiting exotic to non-North American cars. I was more thinking that an exotic would be a rare, realitively limited production car that not many could afford.

[TimSJ]

^ yup there are certainly some North American exotics

[arsenal]

^ yup there are certainly some North American exotics
*cough*vector*cough*:bag:

[3 Justin 3]

So we'll keep exotic to "rare ish" cars, which includes everywhere in the world. Sounds fair.