NFL Offseason Player Movement

[Flickered Flame]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2784626

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2784758

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2784408

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2784681

A couple of cuts and a trade.

[Pagal4321]

The first official signing of the FA period....

http://vikings.scout.com/2/623085.html

[Saint Troy]

Best of Luck Joe Horn, but try and act with a little class on the way out. Hopefully the Saints land Donnie Edwards over the weekend, and fingers crossed for a cb.

[JiriHrdina]

Jim Rome is reporting that Jake the Snake is retiring, rather than accept a deal to Tampa

[Flickered Flame]

Jim Rome is reporting that Jake the Snake is retiring, rather than accept a deal to Tampa

NFL.com is now reporting this as well.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/10033012

[toonmaster]

colts make some cuts - no real surprise in these 2

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=198376&hubname=

[Flickered Flame]

James Hall to the Rams.

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=198388&hubname=

[Displaced Flames fan]

Huge deal for the Broncos. Tatum Bell, George Foster and a pick for Dre Bly.

Bly on one side and Champ on the other.

Love it. Broncos MIGHT try to move up to get Adrian Peterson with the departure of Tatum Bell...though personally, I'd like to see them go with Mike Bell and draft a receiver.

I feel for Jake, I wouldn't want to go to Tampa if I were him either. I'd like to see him take a cut and stay in Denver, but I understand why he wouldn't want to do that too. Maybe they'll end up sending him to Houston after all and he could stomach that.

[Pagal4321]

Holy Crap!

Nate Clements has signed an 8 year $80 million dollar contract with a WHOPPPING $22 guaranteed money with San Fransisco...

[Flickered Flame]

Here is a rundown of everything that has happened so far.

http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[KTown]

Huge deal for the Broncos. Tatum Bell, George Foster and a pick for Dre Bly.

Bly on one side and Champ on the other.

Love it. Broncos MIGHT try to move up to get Adrian Peterson with the departure of Tatum Bell...though personally, I'd like to see them go with Mike Bell and draft a receiver.

I feel for Jake, I wouldn't want to go to Tampa if I were him either. I'd like to see him take a cut and stay in Denver, but I understand why he wouldn't want to do that too. Maybe they'll end up sending him to Houston after all and he could stomach that.

You could put me in the backfield and I'd be a 1000 yard rusher. Mike Shannahan is a genius in producing 1000 yard running backs from nobodies.

By the way Carr had a decent year last year, I doubt he'd start in Houston, I just don't see it since he's allready mentioned retirement.

[Displaced Flames fan]

You could put me in the backfield and I'd be a 1000 yard rusher. Mike Shannahan is a genius in producing 1000 yard running backs from nobodies.

By the way Carr had a decent year last year, I doubt he'd start in Houston, I just don't see it since he's allready mentioned retirement.

Kubiak loves Plummer. They've already had discussions. May or may not happen, but there's plenty of fire to that rumor.

For the record, not all of those 1000 yard rushers were nobodies who benefited from Shanahan's genius.

[flames_1987]

Stokley got cut from the Colts yesterday, sad to see the guy go. When he was healthy he was a very good WR and one of the best deep threats in the league. Hopefully he gets picked up somewhere, and can stay healthy.


Looks like the Pats are gonna get Thomas. I thought for sure the 49'ers had him

[rubecube]

Garcia to the Bucs.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/TB/10035584

[Flickered Flame]

Anyone know how Simms is doing? Will he be well enough to play this season?

[red '00]

I'm pretty sure the Bucs re-signed him to a new contract earlier in the year (could be mistaken though), so I would assume whether he's healthy enough or not he'll be in Tampa this year.

[Flickered Flame]

Looks like the Pats are gonna get Thomas.

Pats land Thomas, Brady and Sammy Morris.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NE/10035779

[Flickered Flame]

Green to the Texans.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787723

[Flickered Flame]

Weekend Wrapup from NFL.com

http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[transplant99]

David Martin tothe Dolphins...

not sure i understand this move from GB's POV, but maybe they are after someone else to upgrade the TE position...one that was woeful last year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Dolphins-sign-Green-Bay-tight-end;_ylt=AiI7Qs1puVOVvVYmYEvUKeuG2bYF?urn=nfl,2574 1

[rubecube]

David Martin tothe Dolphins...

not sure i understand this move from GB's POV, but maybe they are after someone else to upgrade the TE position...one that was woeful last year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Dolphins-sign-Green-Bay-tight-end;_ylt=AiI7Qs1puVOVvVYmYEvUKeuG2bYF?urn=nfl,2574 1

Maybe making a play for Greg Olsen in the draft? Wouldn't be a bad 2nd round pick for them.

[Bobblehead]

Man, SF threw around the money. It's nice to have cap space, and a large amount is backloaded, but OMG.

At least BY is back (how long can he go on?).

[rubecube]

Travis Henry to the Broncos.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Nice move IMO.

[simmer2]

Travis Henry to the Broncos.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Nice move IMO.

Has only really had one good year recently, but the Broncos have a knack for pumping out solid RB's, so he should do well.

[Pagal4321]

Maybe making a play for Greg Olsen in the draft? Wouldn't be a bad 2nd round pick for them.


I think Greg Olsen is a lock for a first round pick after his workout...so unless GB takes him at 16....they won't be getting him.

[Flickered Flame]

Bears to trade Thomas to the Jets.

http://tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=198909&hubname=

[Flames in 07]

Montre Holland and Dan Wilkensen to Denver.

[Pagal4321]

Patrick Kerney to the Seahawks....6 year $39.5 million with $19.5 guaranteed money. Holy overpayment Batman.

[ricoFlame]

Has only really had one good year recently, but the Broncos have a knack for pumping out solid RB's, so he should do well.

Yeah, it's strange to see them pick up a guy, they usually produce backs like nobody's business.

[Flickered Flame]

Dolphins add Joey Porter. A great signing for Fins imo.

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=198972&hubname=

[Saint Troy]

Brian Simmons to the Saints, nice addition imo, solid MLB, and a good leader, I have no idea what the Bengals were doing letting him walk.

[rubecube]

Brian Simmons to the Saints, nice addition imo, solid MLB, and a good leader, I have no idea what the Bengals were doing letting him walk.

Because he's getting up there and the Bengals easily have a few up and comers who can replace him.

[Saint Troy]

Because he's getting up there and the Bengals easily have a few up and comers who can replace him.

He was their defensive playcaller and only vet in the Linebacking corps, Espn reported that the Cincy f.o. was divided on his release aka Lewis didn't wan't him gone. Oh he managed to not get himself arrested in Cincy as well, that should be worth a raise. ;)

[Flickered Flame]

Tuesdays recap.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[Bobblehead]

Are there any ex-49ers that the Raiders won't sign?

[Sylvanfan]

Well looks like the Chiefs might be willing to let Trent Green move on. For the type of offence Herm Edwards likes to run, Damon Huard is probably better suited for it. Must be part of a plan to phase in Brody Croyle by the end of the season and move forward.

[KTown]

I love how Joey is coming to Miami.

How do you like this lineup for the 3-4 defence.

Joey Porter, Channing Crowder, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor ( I know JT is a DE but he lines up as a linebacker sometimes in the 3-4 defence.

AFC East is really making some noise this year in the FA market.

[rubecube]

Fish need a QB before I'll even consider them a contender.

[Flickered Flame]

Fish need a QB before I'll even consider them a contender.

You mean Cleo Lemon doesn't qualify as a QB. :bag:

[rubecube]

You mean Cleo Lemon doesn't qualify as a QB. :bag:

In the same way I qualify for a QB.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Some other signings of note...

The Broncos signed TE Daniel Graham. He's a Denver native so I was pretty sure they were going to get him. Supposedly they are interested in McMichael too, but I don't buy it. They look solid with Graham and Sheffler now.

Kansas City signed Napoleon Harris. Great pick up IMO. Adds some experience to the youthful exuberance that Derrick Johnson provides for their linebackers.

San Francisco gave a pile of money to Ashley Lelie....love his talent, but he's not tough enough. He got some really bad advice last offseason and its going to ruin his career.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Broncos sign Patrick Ramsey to backup Cutler.

[rubecube]

Kansas City signed Napoleon Harris. Great pick up IMO. Adds some experience to the youthful exuberance that Derrick Johnson provides for their linebackers.


I think this is a brutal signing and is reminiscent of the Bell signing. Harris has basically had one good year and the Vikes couldn't wait to get rid of him.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I think this is a brutal signing and is reminiscent of the Bell signing. Harris has basically had one good year and the Vikes couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Bell signing?

Watching Harris with the Raiders for the first couple of seasons of his career, I always came away impressed. Didn't see him play once with the Vikings to be honest, but he was something pretty good a short time ago. The Chiefs need LB help badly.

[Flames in 07]

Eric Johnson signs with the Saints. He's a perfect fit for the Saints offence. It's a 1 year 2Mil deal.

Love this deal for the Saints, getting 4 or 5 year vets for one year means they will be proving themselves all year, playing for a long term deal.

[Flickered Flame]

Browns have signed Jamal Lewis.

http://tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=199167&hubname=

[KTown]

Fish need a QB before I'll even consider them a contender.


Maybe a healthy culpepper this year, will do something.

Every year there are some surprise teams in the NFL, I think the fish may be.

Dolphins got the #9 pick, maybe Brady Quinn will fall till #9.

Anyways you just never know in the NFL. A defence can win championships.

Don't forget we got Ricky back next year, and a good duo running back system carries teams a long way.

You just never know

[rubecube]

Bell signing?

Watching Harris with the Raiders for the first couple of seasons of his career, I always came away impressed. Didn't see him play once with the Vikings to be honest, but he was something pretty good a short time ago. The Chiefs need LB help badly.

Kendrell Bell. Lot of money for a guy who only had one good season.

Harris was with the Vikes for two years and was junk. He's also had some injury issues lately.

[Sylvanfan]

I'm guessing Harris is being brought in to replace Kawika Mitchell. Given the choice I think I liked Mitchell better, but the Chiefs aren't in a very good cap situation so if Harris was cheaper, I guess you go with him. Oh well Napolean is a good name. Maybe Harris will fare better in the Chiefs system after a couple bad years of injury. Any word on whats going to happen with Jared Allen?

[Flickered Flame]

Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10047683

[Pagal4321]

Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10047683


FOR PEANUTS...I'll never understand that. How can a pretty decent running back get traded for a 3rd and a 7th and a 3rd next year??

[Flames in 07]

that's not peanuts, the value of pics in the nfl is much higher than say hockey.

Also a players value to a team is not just how good they are, but their ability vs their contractual situation.

[ricoFlame]

dunno if it's been mentioned here yet, but horn signed with the falcons.

http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/1180864/detail.html

[Pagal4321]

that's not peanuts, the value of pics in the nfl is much higher than say hockey.

Also a players value to a team is not just how good they are, but their ability vs their contractual situation.


I think it's peanuts for a guy like McGahee....a 1,000 yard back. And fine he's in his last year of his contract and wants to get paid. But when you put up those kinda numbers in BUFFALO'S offense, you should get paid.
I think the trade market is all crazy this year....that's two head scratcher trades for me this offseason (Thomas Jones deal).

[Displaced Flames fan]

Kendrell Bell. Lot of money for a guy who only had one good season.

Harris was with the Vikes for two years and was junk. He's also had some injury issues lately.

Got ya, and yeah....Kendrell Bell was a massive failure in KC.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I think it's peanuts for a guy like McGahee....a 1,000 yard back. And fine he's in his last year of his contract and wants to get paid. But when you put up those kinda numbers in BUFFALO'S offense, you should get paid.
I think the trade market is all crazy this year....that's two head scratcher trades for me this offseason (Thomas Jones deal).


It's supply and demand.

Lots of solid RB's available.

[Pagal4321]

It's supply and demand.

Lots of solid RB's available.


Where are there solid RBs available???? Ahman Green was the best FA running back this year. I just think a young and fairly solid RB should be had for more than that.
And now that Droughns is on the market, what does he fetch? a 5th?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Where are there solid RBs available???? Ahman Green was the best FA running back this year. I just think a young and fairly solid RB should be had for more than that.
And now that Droughns is on the market, what does he fetch? a 5th?

Green
McGahee
Jones
Lewis
T. Bell
Henry

All of those guys were available (known to be) whether free agents or not. That's a lot of quality backs for one offseason

[Flickered Flame]

Randy McMichael to the Rams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791987

[moon]

FOR PEANUTS...I'll never understand that. How can a pretty decent running back get traded for a 3rd and a 7th and a 3rd next year??

Addiction by subtraction. Getting rid of this malcontent will make Bufflao better because they no longer have his crappy attitude in the locker room and have him taking plays off because he cares more about himself than the team.

RB is one of the easier positions to fill in the NFL as well. Easy to pick up starters in later rounds of the draft whcih menas you don't need a top 5 pickto get a stud.

I am not sure that the Bills will have a better RB next season but they certainly will have a guy that is a better fit for the overall good of their team.

[rubecube]

Randy McMichael to the Rams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791987

I personally think that's an excellent signing for the Rams. Still think it was dumb move by the Phins to cut him.

[burn_baby_burn]

I'm guessing Harris is being brought in to replace Kawika Mitchell. Given the choice I think I liked Mitchell better, but the Chiefs aren't in a very good cap situation so if Harris was cheaper, I guess you go with him. Oh well Napolean is a good name. Maybe Harris will fare better in the Chiefs system after a couple bad years of injury. Any word on whats going to happen with Jared Allen?

Harris was brought in to replace Bell. The Chiefs are hoping to keep Kawika Mitchel.

[Pagal4321]

I personally think that's an excellent signing for the Rams. Still think it was dumb move by the Phins to cut him.
I really don't understand why he was cut from the Phins myself...but this move in addition to the Bennet signing makes Bulger the favorite to lead hte league in passing, IMHO.

[KTown]

I personally think that's an excellent signing for the Rams. Still think it was dumb move by the Phins to cut him.

it was a great move by the phins. I'm a huge phin fan, and I'm glad it finally happened.

He has excellent stats for receiving and he's passionate, but he drops alot of passes as well. He's also a terrible run blocker. It's also business, he was due a 3million dollar roster bonus. Not to mention his off field troubles for beating his wife twice. You ever heard the tape of a 911 call "he said to his wife on it" i'm fixing to knock this mother f&*#er out."

If you watched every phin game like I do you will see how he's not all that

Cameron knows TE's you ever heard of Gates in SD. He helped develop that talent, I'm sure he wants to develop another talent like that.

I think the phins have been brilliant this offseason so far.

QB is there biggest question mark, if Cpep can ome back healthy we might have something this year. If not just maybe Brady Quinn will drop to # 9 and the phins can pick him up.

[rubecube]

QB is there biggest question mark, if Cpep can ome back healthy we might have something this year. If not just maybe Brady Quinn will drop to # 9 and the phins can pick him up.

I have a question about this. If Brady Quinn is off the board do you see them going after someone like Drew Stanton in the 2nd?

[Flickered Flame]

Personally, I hope the Phins draft o-line men. Its the biggest weakness on the team imo. I doesn't matter who the QB if the o-line cannot protect the QB.

[Sylvanfan]

Harris was brought in to replace Bell. .

Well...that shouldn't be hard. All he has to do is underachieve!

[Flickered Flame]

Last night I read at nfl.com that the Dolphins are the front runners for Trent Green.

[Sylvanfan]

Last night I read at nfl.com that the Dolphins are the front runners for Trent Green.

Front runners, or only runners?

[rubecube]

The Giants have apparently traded WR Tim Carter to Cleveland for RB Reuben Droughns.

[burn_baby_burn]

Trent Green is a tough call. I am biased, but I think he is the classic clean cut, All-American QB. He has a tonne of heart and I think he is a great leader. But his age and the uncertainty surounding his recovery from the concussion leave him as a question mark. Would he fit well on a team that has a young QB and needs a role model to help him through the in and outs of being a starting QB in the NFL? Maybe even be able to come in a play a game or two if need be? He was money before that hit in week 1.

[Flickered Flame]

Front runners, or only runners?

Well apparently the Raiders are/would be interested in him as well but KC wouldn't trade within their division would they?

[KTown]

I have a question about this. If Brady Quinn is off the board do you see them going after someone like Drew Stanton in the 2nd?

Well if rumors are true about Trent Green, then I'd say they're looking for a WR/TE @ #9.

Would they draft a qb in the second round, anything is possible.

As long as the phins aren't stupid enough to draft an O lineman in the first round, I'll be happy. It's too much of a risk.

[KTown]

Personally, I hope the Phins draft o-line men. Its the biggest weakness on the team imo. I doesn't matter who the QB if the o-line cannot protect the QB.

they will they have lots of draft picks, with that being said I'd be pissed if they waste a first round pick on a O lineman

[Flickered Flame]

they will they have lots of draft picks, with that being said I'd be pissed if they waste a first round pick on a O lineman

I agree draft a player at a skilled position in the first round then maybe load up on the o-line players?

[Sylvanfan]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Looks like Dominic Rhodes to the Raiders.

Chiefs lose tackle Jordan Black. Nice do they have any tackles left? Please come back Willy Roaf!

[Flames in 07]

I have a question about this. If Brady Quinn is off the board do you see them going after someone like Drew Stanton in the 2nd?

You gotta think someone would make a move to get him before the second round. I gather he had a good combine for what he chose to do, and as NFL network said, he took off his shirt and some of the scouts developed a man crush on him.

[burn_baby_burn]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Looks like Dominic Rhodes to the Raiders.

Chiefs lose tackle Jordan Black. Nice do they have any tackles left? Please come back Willy Roaf!

They signed Damion McIntosh from the Dolphins last week.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Donnie Edwards back to Kansas City.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794070

[Flickered Flame]

Adam Schefter of nfl.com has the complete breakdown.

TJ Duckett to the Lions.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[Flickered Flame]

Stallworth to the Pats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

I was really hoping he would sign with Miami which would allow the Phins to cut Booker.

[rubecube]

Stallworth to the Pats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

I was really hoping he would sign with Miami which would allow the Phins to cut Booker.

Joe Banner is such a cheap ass. There wwas no reason to not re-sign Stallworth. Just have to hope for Kevin Curtis now.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Joe Banner is such a cheap ass. There wwas no reason to not re-sign Stallworth. Just have to hope for Kevin Curtis now.

Assuming your an Eagles fan....is there any hope of Jeremy Bloom evolving into a Kevin Curtis type? Did he play at all this year?

[KTown]

Stallworth to the Pats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

I was really hoping he would sign with Miami which would allow the Phins to cut Booker.

Booker can be better than Stallworth. Don't forget Booker was a probowl receiver with 98 catches before. He can do it again if he stays healthy

Stallworht is more explosive, but for the money the phins are paying booker, its a steal of a deal. Stallworth brings lots of off field problems, in Miami its allready easy to get into trouble.

[Flickered Flame]

The Phins have booked an April 4th workout for QB Drew Stanton. I don't much about Stanton can someone fill me in on what he brings to the table.

http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/38053.html

[KTown]

The Phins have booked an April 4th workout for QB Drew Stanton. I don't much about Stanton can someone fill me in on what he brings to the table.

http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/38053.html

The guy has lots of potential, the guy would be a 2 or 3 yaer project in my mind, he's not a guy that could step in and take over this offence next year.

[moon]

The Phins have booked an April 4th workout for QB Drew Stanton. I don't much about Stanton can someone fill me in on what he brings to the table.

http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/38053.html

Tons of athleticism but questionable pure QBing skills and decision making.

The incredible ND come back against Michigan State was helped in large part by Stanton making some really bad decisions/throws/INTs. The coaching had a lot to do with it as well, but it would have been alomst impossible timewise for ND to comeback had Stanton not turned the ball over to them.

He will require a lot of coaching at the NFL level but because of his physical skills he will go high to a team that has the patience to work with him.

[howard_the_duck]

Joe Banner is such a cheap ass. There wwas no reason to not re-sign Stallworth. Just have to hope for Kevin Curtis now.


I feel your frustration.....but it's the way the Eagles operate. There is usually a reason they let certain players go without much of a fight. As is well known.....Stallworth has had his share of off field problems. Also, some questioned his pain threshold when he missed several games due to the nagging hamstring injury. It makes the trade last year, I believe they sent a 2nd rounder along with Simoneau, seem like a waste now, though.

[rubecube]

Assuming your an Eagles fan....is there any hope of Jeremy Bloom evolving into a Kevin Curtis type? Did he play at all this year?

He was put on IR this year and the hope is he will boost the return game. I don't see him starting at WR this year unless he has a very good camp. Funny you would compare him to Curtis as the Eagles are the leading candidates to land him.

[rubecube]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/PHI/10062486

Kevin Curtis to the Eagles. Not sure I like the amount or the years but a decent pick up.

[Flickered Flame]

I read an article I believe it was in the Miami herald, that the Phins offered the exact money that the Pats did for Stallworth but because the QB situation in Miami is up in the air, he signed with Pats to play with Brady.

I will try to find the link.

[rubecube]

I read an article I believe it was in the Miami herald, that the Phins offered the exact money that the Pats did for Stallworth but because the QB situation in Miami is up in the air, he signed with Pats to play with Brady.

I will try to find the link.

I heard that he was offered an quivalent by the Eagles but his agent (Rosenhaus, of course) told him it was less.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Broncos sign Brandon Stokley

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2805775

I've got to say, this is the deepest set of receivers the Broncos have had in a while.

Javon Walker
Rod Smith, the wily veteran and future hall of famer
Brandon Marhshall, an emerging deep threat with great hands and size
Stokley, although he is coming off an achilles tendon tear

Throw in Daniel Graham and Tony Sheffler at TE.

I can't remember a stronger group in Denver since Ed McCaffrey called it quits a few years back.

[Flickered Flame]

Good signing by the Broncos imo.

[transplant99]

Interesting litle trade today...

Falcons QB Matt Schaub has been traded to the Texans.

Whats this mean for David Carr?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Interesting litle trade today...

Falcons QB Matt Schaub has been traded to the Texans.

Whats this mean for David Carr?


It means some team is going to get a good young QB for virutally nothing when the Texans decide to move him on draft day.:D

For Carr's sake, I hope he doesn't end up in Oakland.

[rubecube]

Interesting litle trade today...

Falcons QB Matt Schaub has been traded to the Texans.

Whats this mean for David Carr?

Would not be surprised to see Carr end up in Cleveland. I could also see him going to Oakland and the Raiders using the first overall pick on Calvin Johnson.

[flambers]

Interesting litle trade today...

Falcons QB Matt Schaub has been traded to the Texans.

Whats this mean for David Carr?

I bet Carr is released after this trade occurs.

[rubecube]

I bet Carr is released after this trade occurs.

Not a chance. The Texans should at least be able to get a 3rd for him.

[flambers]

Not a chance. The Texans should at least be able to get a 3rd for him.

Hope you are correct, but I bet he is released.

[Prototype]

Carr for Moss anyone? Imagine Randy Moss in a Texans uni... how pissed would he be?

[Flickered Flame]

I know a couple weeks back that some papers in Miami were speculating that Carr could end up in Miami.

[rubecube]

Eagles sign Monte Reagor.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/PHI/10078521

Good move. We need the run support.

[burn_baby_burn]

Chiefs release safety Sammy Knight, and OL Kyle Turley.

[Prototype]

Whats with all the Colts grabbing their rings and running? This season is gonna suck. I don't know how deep the Colts are at all the positions they are losing players at, but you can't repeat after losing atleast half a dozen, if not more, players. Are you kidding me?

I hop Dungy has a plan here, cause it hurts every time I see another Colt sign somewhere else.

EDIT: I guess he was released, but still...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Eagles sign Monte Reagor.

[http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/PHI/10078521

Good move. We need the run support.

Good player, I was not happy when he left Denver.

[Flickered Flame]

Broncos and Giants discussing a potential deal that would have Wilson head to NY. More talks on Green to Miami and Culpepper to the Raiders.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10080863

[Displaced Flames fan]

Broncos and Giants discussing a potential deal that would have Wilson head to NY. More talks on Green to Miami and Culpepper to the Raiders.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10080863

:whaa:

That would be a huge, huge blow. I hope they find other options.:whaa: :whaa: :whaa:

[Flickered Flame]

:whaa:

That would be a huge, huge blow. I hope they find other options.:whaa: :whaa: :whaa:

Yeah I agree. I always thought Wilson was their best defensive player but I guess it all comes down to cap.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Yeah I agree. I always thought Wilson was their best defensive player but I guess it all comes down to cap.

He has been for serveral years now.

He had 18 tackles in one game this past season. I love the guy...his leadership is unsurpassed in the NFL.

This is the downfall of the salary cap. Teams that draft well can't keep all of their players forever...and the NFL trade scenarios are rarely equitable.

[burn_baby_burn]

This is the downfall of the salary cap. Teams that draft well can't keep all of their players forever...and the NFL trade scenarios are rarely equitable.

Its so much differant than the NHL. Carr in the right situation might be a very good QB, with some protection and a running game. And some team is going to pick him up for nothing. Same with Cullpepper. This is a guy who came damn close to winning the MVP a few season's ago. But in his situation, I guess you need to factor in wether he is healthy or not.

[Flickered Flame]

Green to Miami all but done.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

The Miami Dolphins and quarterback Trent Green have all but reached a contract agreement; there no longer is an issue about whether those two sides can strike a deal. The issue is between the Dolphins and the Chiefs. If those two teams can reach a trade agreement, Green will become a Dolphin. Otherwise, Miami could opt to try to sign David Carr, who will be released by the Houston Texans.

[Sylvanfan]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/16964417.htm

Kansas City Star says the Lions are also interested too as Mike Martz used to have Green with St.Louis. Green's preference is Miami because he worked with Cam Cameron in Washinton and the Dolphins QB coach. So if he does get moved to Miami a new contact is pretty much worked out. Anywhere else and who knows.

Looks like the Chiefs are prepared to let Croyle and Huard battle it out in camp for the starters job. I would guess Huard wins it and starts the first few weeks, but Croyle could very well be phased in by the end of the season similar to what the Bronco's did with Cutler last year.

[transplant99]

The Wilson deal is off.....he failed his physical with the Giants.

[Displaced Flames fan]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/16964417.htm

Kansas City Star says the Lions are also interested too as Mike Martz used to have Green with St.Louis. Green's preference is Miami because he worked with Cam Cameron in Washinton and the Dolphins QB coach. So if he does get moved to Miami a new contact is pretty much worked out. Anywhere else and who knows.

Looks like the Chiefs are prepared to let Croyle and Huard battle it out in camp for the starters job. I would guess Huard wins it and starts the first few weeks, but Croyle could very well be phased in by the end of the season similar to what the Bronco's did with Cutler last year.

Word out of KC is that Herm prefers Croyle.

[Displaced Flames fan]

The Wilson deal is off.....he failed his physical with the Giants.

Hopefully on purpose.:bag:

[Flames in 07]

How did he fail? from his injury last year?

I've been a broncos fan and a vols fan for a long time, and Al is one of my favorites of all time. But I understand if Shanahan moves him. You are only top tier for so long before the hits catch up to you. The trick is to always buy low and sell high ... this would be selling high.

[Displaced Flames fan]

How did he fail? from his injury last year?

I've been a broncos fan and a vols fan for a long time, and Al is one of my favorites of all time. But I understand if Shanahan moves him. You are only top tier for so long before the hits catch up to you. The trick is to always buy low and sell high ... this would be selling high.

Evidently it is from the neck injury in the 14th game of the season when he was carted off on a stretcher.

I understand the move too, but frankly I'm happy. I adore Al Wilson and I think his absence would've been a huge blow to the team.

He will be on the Ring of Honor someday.

[Flames in 07]

Right next to Tom Jackson

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by flambers http://forum.calgarypuck.com/images/calpuck/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?p=816067#post816067)
I bet Carr is released after this trade occurs



Not a chance. The Texans should at least be able to get a 3rd for him.


LOL...Carr was released his morning.

[Flames in 07]

with that contract he was worthless. My guess is that he goes to Miami or Dallas.

[Flames in 07]

Anyone hear when the sched is coming out? It seems to be later every year.

[transplant99]

The actual schedule is not out, but the opponents for every team have been decided.

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/tv/2007_opponents

[burn_baby_burn]

Anyone hear when the sched is coming out? It seems to be later every year.

It never comes out untill after the draft.

[burn_baby_burn]

Word out of KC is that Herm prefers Croyle.

According to Herm in the Star, it Croyle's job to lose. He is going into Mini Camp as the staring QB of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[howard_the_duck]

Eagles get a massive upgrade at linebacker with the addition of Takeo Spikes. Darwin Walker will be missed up the middle, but that position can be addressed via the draft. They also have Patterson and the youngster Bunkley who can step up. I am loving the offseason moves in Philly so far......can't wait for the draft!

[burn_baby_burn]

LB Kawika Mitchell signs with the New York Football Giants.

[Bobblehead]

Gore signs an extension with the Niners.

Brandon Marshall arrested on suspicion of domestic abuse.

[Displaced Flames fan]

The Broncos signed Dre Bly to a 5 yr. $33M extension today. I guess he will be playing in Denver after all.

Brandon Marshall will be fine. He's a good kid and a very promising young receiver. Hopefully he can put this issue behind him....glad to here it wasn't a brawl like we hear about all too often in pro sports.

[Flames in 07]

It never comes out untill after the draft.

What?

It always comes out before the draft, at least for the last 15 years anyway.

[Bobblehead]

I'm really interested to see what new initiatives are tried with Goodells new conduct policy.

He already has meetings with PacMan Jones and Chris Henry. Jones' lawyer has already said they will take legal action against the league if anything happens.

But rumours are teams may lose cap space or draft picks for player misconduct issues. That should cut down on teams taking chances on these troubled players.

[rubecube]

glad to here it wasn't a brawl like we hear about all too often in pro sports.

Yeah, beating the crap out of your wife/girlfriend is so much better. :bag:

[burn_baby_burn]

I'm really interested to see what new initiatives are tried with Goodells new conduct policy.

He already has meetings with PacMan Jones and Chris Henry. Jones' lawyer has already said they will take legal action against the league if anything happens.

But rumours are teams may lose cap space or draft picks for player misconduct issues. That should cut down on teams taking chances on these troubled players.

I'm sure it will come down to a "what is best for my club at the current moment". If your Pro-Bowl QB gets caught with an illegal fire arm and it is his 3rd strike. I'm sure the team in question will scream bloody murder. If it messes with your cap, then that could be a problem. But like you stated. Maybe if a policy is put into place, the players with questionable morals or off the field problems won't be drafted anymore. They won't be worth the risk.

[burn_baby_burn]

The Cleveland Browns are the latest contestants in the Trent Green Sweepstakes.

[Pagal4321]

The online schedule for NFL Network shows that the 2007 regular-season schedule will be released on April 5 (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/schedule/0405), in a special edition of Total Access that begins at 4:00 p.m. EDT.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Yeah, beating the crap out of your wife/girlfriend is so much better. :bag:

Just said it wasn't a brawl....which would negate beating the crap out of her.:confused:

[rubecube]

Just said it wasn't a brawl....which would negate beating the crap out of her.:confused:

Yeah, I misread the article.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Ricky Williams has applied for reinstatement. It will be interesting to see what happens with him.

[Flickered Flame]

Ricky Williams has applied for reinstatement. It will be interesting to see what happens with him.

Do you think Miami would keep him or try to move him?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Do you think Miami would keep him or try to move him?


I would think they would want to keep him, but you never can tell. Maybe they will use him to move up in the first round. No sure what the timetable for reinstatement is though.

If I were running the Dolphins I sure as hell would want him there.

[Flickered Flame]

I would think they would want to keep him, but you never can tell. Maybe they will use him to move up in the first round. No sure what the timetable for reinstatement is though.

If I were running the Dolphins I sure as hell would want him there.

Yeah Williams and Ronnie Brown would make for a good 1-2 punch for the Phins.

[Sainters7]

New Orleans Saints trade a 6th round pick to the Dolphins for K Olindo Mare.

Denver Broncos sign Patriots P Todd Sauerbrun to a one-year deal. New England has one week to match the offer or Sauerbrun will become a Bronco.

[rubecube]

New Orleans Saints trade a 6th round pick to the Dolphins for K Olindo Mare.


Weird move.

[Sainters7]

Weird move.

A 6th is a little high, but the Saints were waiting for the Phins to release Mare, and they wouldnt do it. They also rejected the Saints offer of a 7th rounder.

On top of that Saints K John Carney had a great year last year, and is one of the most accurate kickers in the league. But he's into his 40's now, and his leg is not near as strong as it once was. It got so bad that the Saints had to sign Cowboys castoff Billy Cundiff just for kickoffs. On top of that, while warming up before the NFC Championship Game, Carney couldnt hit ANYthing past 40 yards, to the point where they had to let Cundiff, a career 72.3% kicker, handle FG's for that game. I dont think Payton wanted to go another year using up a roster spot just for a kickoff specialist.

Mare didnt have a very strong year in '06. But with the Saints, he will be kicking indoors for half the season, and then another two games in stadiums with retractable roofs. His performance should increase under those conditions. So overall, a little much to give up for a kicker, but a move Payton felt was necessary.

And just to add to this, the Saints also brought in Mike Vanderjagct for a tryout last month, and have yet to get back to him. He may be invited to TC to give Mare a run for the kicker's job. Though I dont see Payton keeping a guy with an attitude like Vangerjagct, after cleaning house of similar players last year.

[Pagal4321]

John Carney is retiring....so not such a strange move.

[Flickered Flame]

John Carney is retiring....so not such a strange move.

And Miami picked up Jay Feeley from the Giants.

[Bobblehead]

And Miami picked up Jay Feeley from the Giants.

Who's going to kick for the Giants?

Are we going to have another year when a few loses are going to be a direct result of the Giants not having a kicker?

[Sainters7]

Carolina Panthers sign former Texans QB David Carr to a two-year deal.

[Sainters7]

Atlanta Falcons sign former Dolphins QB Joey Harrington

[Flickered Flame]

Another article discussing Green to Miami among other things.

http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10117930

[Displaced Flames fan]

The Patriots matched Denver's offer sheet to Todd Sauerbrun.

[Sainters7]

John Carney is retiring....so not such a strange move.

Turns out he wasnt retiring after all. Curious as to how the retirement story came about, I saw that as well. Carney has since asked for and received his release from the Saints, and is now seeking employment elsewhere.

[Flickered Flame]

Bledsoe retires.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10121986

[burn_baby_burn]

Broncos release Al Wilson.

[Sainters7]

New Orleans Saints sign former Redskins WR David Patten.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Broncos release Al Wilson.

One of the 10 best to ever wear the uniform.:whaa:

[transplant99]

One of the 10 best to ever wear the uniform.:whaa:


I sincerely hope the Packers take a run at him...he may be one of the best fits for them on the entire FA market.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I sincerely hope the Packers take a run at him...he may be one of the best fits for them on the entire FA market.


Great, great player....and an even better leader.

Something that Packer defense could definitely use.

I'm holding out hope that the Broncos sign him for less money, but it didn't sound like he felt that was an option.

[burn_baby_burn]

Kansas City Chiefs legend OL Will Shields retires.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/KC/10130376

[transplant99]

ESPN is reporting that Carolina is shopping DT Kris Jenkins.

This guy can start on any team in the league.....Denver may be looking at him as well as others.

Great great player....is a 4.5 million dollar cap hit and is signed through 09.

Why would they be trading him? Odd.

[burn_baby_burn]

Great, great player....and an even better leader.

Something that Packer defense could definitely use.

I'm holding out hope that the Broncos sign him for less money, but it didn't sound like he felt that was an option.

Wasn't there health problems? I havn't read anything. But on the NFL Network on Sirius they indicated that he wasn't healthy enough to play anymore.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Wasn't there health problems? I havn't read anything. But on the NFL Network on Sirius they indicated that he wasn't healthy enough to play anymore.

Yeah, he had a neck injury late last season, but played afterwards.

I don't think his career is over or anything.

[rubecube]

Yeah, he had a neck injury late last season, but played afterwards.

I don't think his career is over or anything.

He did fail his physical when they tried trading him to the Giants.

[Displaced Flames fan]

He did fail his physical when they tried trading him to the Giants.


Yep, because of the neck too. They aren't uniform physicals though. He could pass elsewhere. Like I said, he played in two games after the injury.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Kansas City Chiefs legend OL Will Shields retires.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/KC/10130376

First ballot hall of famer IMO...and a gem of a human being.

[burn_baby_burn]

First ballot hall of famer IMO...and a gem of a human being.

Agreed. I sat beside his wife at a Monday night game in Arrowhead in 1997 vs the Steelers. This little tiny white girl. Every offensive play, she was "Go Will! Go Will!". On fourth down from the the Chiefs 30 Marty sent in the punting team. She said "go for it Marty!" I looked at her like she was from Mars. She said "don't you have confidence in the offense?". Interesting day in the stands.

[Sylvanfan]

It had been rumored about that Sheilds would retire. At least this way the team can look to replace him in the draft or some other way, although you'll never replace a guy like Shields. It also hints that Weigman too is hinting at retirement. I think it was sometime two seasons ago where the Chiefs O-Line set a record for most consecutive starts as a unit, and now it looks like only Waters will remain. Man that Chiefs offence will look quite different next year. Hopefully that defence feels like throwing some shutouts.

[rubecube]

Could definitely see KC taking Levi Brown in the 1st round of the draft.

[burn_baby_burn]

There is talk that Waters might play center if Weigman retires.

[burn_baby_burn]

Casey Weigman's agent said in the KC Star that Casey is not going to retire and that he plans to play 3 or 4 more years. Good to hear.

[Saint Troy]

Saints sign Colts cb Jason David to an offer sheet, deal is reportedly 4yrs and very heavy on the front end to ensure the Colts inability to match. The Colts would receive a 4th rounder in compensation; great move by the Saints imo, saves them reaching for an average cb in the first round, and they still have two fourths left.

[Sylvanfan]

Could definitely see KC taking Levi Brown in the 1st round of the draft.

If he's still around at 23 I wouldn't have a problem with it. The Chiefs needs on offence are numerous so I can definitely see them making a lot of offensive type draft picks this year.

[rubecube]

If he's still around at 23 I wouldn't have a problem with it. The Chiefs needs on offence are numerous so I can definitely see them making a lot of offensive type draft picks this year.

Yeah, I just think the best thing for a young QB (Croyle) is a good offensive line. I think you guys would be happy with him or Blaylock. I know WR is an issue but I think that pool is deep enough to be addressed in the second round.

[Flames in 07]

Saints sign Colts cb Jason David to an offer sheet, deal is reportedly 4yrs and very heavy on the front end to ensure the Colts inability to match. The Colts would receive a 4th rounder in compensation; great move by the Saints imo, saves them reaching for an average cb in the first round, and they still have two fourths left.

this is great news, and we'll know the answer by the draft, if we get him it takes us out of being pigeonholed for a CB on Saturday in the draft.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I just think the best thing for a young QB (Croyle) is a good offensive line. I think you guys would be happy with him or Blaylock. I know WR is an issue but I think that pool is deep enough to be addressed in the second round.


Yeah the team could use a good Receiver but Croyle isn't exactly Brett Farve when it comes to durability. Also as we saw with the Raiders last year, if your offensive line is no good you never get a chance to get the ball in the hands of your wide receivers. So long as a team has a good line can run the ball and has Tony Gonzalez to throw to they can still move the ball through the air without a marquee receiver. If they don't have a good line, throw it all out the window, they won't move the ball no matter who's catching it.

[rubecube]

Yeah the team could use a good Receiver but Croyle isn't exactly Brett Farve when it comes to durability. Also as we saw with the Raiders last year, if your offensive line is no good you never get a chance to get the ball in the hands of your wide receivers. So long as a team has a good line can run the ball and has Tony Gonzalez to throw to they can still move the ball through the air without a marquee receiver. If they don't have a good line, throw it all out the window, they won't move the ball no matter who's catching it.

Agreed. Look at Donovan McNabb. Had garbage receivers up until TO arrived but was able to succeed because of a fantastic O-line.

[burn_baby_burn]

There isn't an offense in the world that is going to be effective without a great offensive line.

The Chiefs did sign Damion McIntosh from the Dolphins to play Left Tackle. Weigman and Waters will stay in their positions. John Welbourn will replace Will Shields at Right Guard (his natural position). Chris Terry will play Right Tackle, or at least he is the hopefull candidate.

Weird story in the KC Star today. Indicated that the Chiefs may be thinking of trading Larry Johnson. I'm sure it is purly speculation. But it was still interesting.

[Sainters7]

There isn't an offense in the world that is going to be effective without a great offensive line.

The Chiefs did sign Damion McIntosh from the Dolphins to play Left Tackle. Weigman and Waters will stay in their positions. John Welbourn will replace Will Shields at Right Guard (his natural position). Chris Terry will play Right Tackle, or at least he is the hopefull candidate.

Weird story in the KC Star today. Indicated that the Chiefs may be thinking of trading Larry Johnson. I'm sure it is purly speculation. But it was still interesting.

Shocking news! But if it happens, I'm sure it's due to his attitude. He's gotten better with it, but you can tell he has a serious attitude problem, he mopes alot. I was embarassed for Herm Edwards early last season when Johnson was pouting on the bench about having a poor game, and Edwards kept walking up to him, consoling him and hugging him. He was acting like a parent to their six year old who had just broke his toy.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I listen to KC sports radio each afternoon on the way home from work and I can tell you without a doubt that the locals do not think Larry Johnson is as interested in his personal stats as he is in being part of Jay-Z's entourage. And the Chiefs goals rank lower than that on his priority list.

He's a cancer.

[Sylvanfan]

Well look at how some running backs of the past fared after seasons where they had like 385 plus carries. Jamal Anderson, Eddie George, and Terrel Davis were never the same after years where they carried the ball that often. As the season wore on Johnson started to look a fair bit slower as he was getting tackled a lot by the ankles on plays where he used to break away in the past. I think the Chiefs over used Johnson big time last year and may have potentially shortened his career by doing so. He also doesn't seem to have the right attitude to be a back for a championship team either. If they move him they move him, talented player who's undoubtably put up great numbers, but from this point going forward he's a guy who carries substantial risk.

BTW one week to the draft!!

[burn_baby_burn]

Well look at how some running backs of the past fared after seasons where they had like 385 plus carries. Jamal Anderson, Eddie George, and Terrel Davis were never the same after years where they carried the ball that often. As the season wore on Johnson started to look a fair bit slower as he was getting tackled a lot by the ankles on plays where he used to break away in the past. I think the Chiefs over used Johnson big time last year and may have potentially shortened his career by doing so. He also doesn't seem to have the right attitude to be a back for a championship team either. If they move him they move him, talented player who's undoubtably put up great numbers, but from this point going forward he's a guy who carries substantial risk.

BTW one week to the draft!!

Hopefully Bennett can come in and take more of the carries this season. He had some great runs last year. He just can't stay healthy.

Whitock had mentioned in a story, that you read, that team mates thought it would be a big mistake to give LJ a big contract. I usually take what Whitlock says with a grain of salt. But where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

[Sainters7]

The Kansas City Chiefs have traded return ace Dante Hall to the St. Louis Rams for a 5th round pick.

Whatever happened to that guy anyways?? In 2003 he was the biggest X-factor in the league. One of the fastest falls from grace I've ever seen in this league.

[Sylvanfan]

The Kansas City Chiefs have traded return ace Dante Hall to the St. Louis Rams for a 5th round pick.

Whatever happened to that guy anyways?? In 2003 he was the biggest X-factor in the league. One of the fastest falls from grace I've ever seen in this league.

Well he was around for a year or two prior to 03, and lets face kick return guys who rely on that extra speed have a limited shelf life until their play slips. The old addage that the legs are the first thing to go, and if a kick retuner doesn't have great speed it will affect his ability to return the ball effectively. Halls been the Cheifs main return guy for 5-6 seasons and it's unlikely he'll regain his old form.

I think this pretty much determines that the Chiefs may just grab a receiver or corner with their top pick who can return kicks.

[rubecube]

I think this pretty much determines that the Chiefs may just grab a receiver or corner with their top pick who can return kicks.

That's what I was just thinking. Maybe Herm is looking at a certain Mr. Ginn from Ohio State.

[Displaced Flames fan]

That's what I was just thinking. Maybe Herm is looking at a certain Mr. Ginn from Ohio State.


He'll have to move up.

[Flames in 07]

I don't know, A first round pick for a kick returner is costly. They have to think that Ted Ginn will be a starting WR, probably in year 1 to draft him this early, and if so, his special teams duty would be limited, if any.

[Sainters7]

Detroit Lions sign former Vikings WR Marcus Robinson

New Orleans Saints sign former Colts CB Jason David (Colts officially decline to match the Saints RFA offer this morning. btw David's from Edmonton)

[burn_baby_burn]

Well he was around for a year or two prior to 03, and lets face kick return guys who rely on that extra speed have a limited shelf life until their play slips. The old addage that the legs are the first thing to go, and if a kick retuner doesn't have great speed it will affect his ability to return the ball effectively. Halls been the Cheifs main return guy for 5-6 seasons and it's unlikely he'll regain his old form.

I think this pretty much determines that the Chiefs may just grab a receiver or corner with their top pick who can return kicks.

Another thing to consider with Dante's decline is the fact that he had a differant Speacil Teams coach. In his hey day he had Frank Ganz Jr as a coach and Mike Mazlowski and Gary Stills blocking for him. His production went down when all three of those guys were out of the picture. But his physical ability is obviously declining as well. If he was a better reciever I could see the Chiefs wanting to keep him around. But since he has pretty much been a bust at the WR position. Hard to justify a spot for an average return man.

Good bye Human Joy Stick.

[Prototype]

New Orleans Saints former Colts CB Jason David (Colts officially decline to match the Saints RFA offer this morning. btw David's from Edmonton)

The dismantling continues... :confused:

[Sainters7]

The dismantling continues... :confused:

You sound like a Colts fan. Can you give me the lowdown on David? Since I heard about us offering him a contract sheet last week, I've read his bio and everything. But that still doesn't help very much, I don't remember anything about him from watching Colts games.

[Bobblehead]

Alkili Smith is signed.....by the Calgary Stampeders (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/article.jsp?content=20070426_151930_5584)

[burn_baby_burn]

Alkili Smith is signed.....by the Calgary Stampeders (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/article.jsp?content=20070426_151930_5584)

I still laugh every time I hear that name. I remember reading a story in Sports Illustrated about him. How he was never going to lose to the Cleveland Browns because he wanted to make them pay for not selecting him first over all. Looks like the Browns were the smart ones after all..........Where is Tim Couch again? :confused:

[Bobblehead]

I still laugh every time I hear that name. I remember reading a story in Sports Illustrated about him. How he was never going to lose to the Cleveland Browns because he wanted to make them pay for not selecting him first over all. Looks like the Browns were the smart ones after all..........Where is Tim Couch again? :confused:

Strange draft when you look back at it.

Couch, McNabb then Smith - and McNabb was booed by the Philly fans.

Culpepper at 11, Cade McNown at 12.

Ditka trading away his draft to get Ricky Williams. The Vikings also at #29 taking Dimitrius Underwood.

[rubecube]

Strange draft when you look back at it.

Couch, McNabb then Smith - and McNabb was booed by the Philly fans.

Culpepper at 11, Cade McNown at 12.

Ditka trading away his draft to get Ricky Williams. The Vikings also at #29 taking Dimitrius Underwood.

LOL...yeah, Eagles fans really wanted Ricky Williams. I don't think anyone has questioned a Reid draft since. A couple of 1st round blunders (Jerome McDougle and Freddie Mitchell) but overall one of the top 5 drafting teams in the league.

[flames_1987]

You sound like a Colts fan. Can you give me the lowdown on David? Since I heard about us offering him a contract sheet last week, I've read his bio and everything. But that still doesn't help very much, I don't remember anything about him from watching Colts games.

I watched almost every Colts game the last 4 or 5 years so I can give you at least what "I" see in him. First off it's good he's going to another Dome team because his speed is his biggest assett. Just like a lot of Colts defensive players, he's pretty undersized, so he's not going to be locked up against a #1 or #2 guy man to man anytime soon. He fits well into zones and swarms the ball rather good. With David, what you see is what you get, and that's not an insult. He was durable with the Colts and for the most part was reliable. Not to mention he is rather young so there's a lot of room for him to still grow.

[flames_1987]

The dismantling continues... :confused:

Besides June, I'm not really to upset over any of the other players the Colts have lost. The Colts are very deep in the secondary, Harper and David are both solid corners but will not have a devestating effect on the defense. Rhodes has enough trouble off the field right now that I coudl care less where he's playing and Monte Reagor in an average DT.

Given the extra draft picks the Colts pick up from losing these guys, and how Polian is good at finding talent, I'm not ready to jump off the wagon yet

[Flames in 07]

I watched almost every Colts game the last 4 or 5 years so I can give you at least what "I" see in him. First off it's good he's going to another Dome team because his speed is his biggest assett. Just like a lot of Colts defensive players, he's pretty undersized, so he's not going to be locked up against a #1 or #2 guy man to man anytime soon. He fits well into zones and swarms the ball rather good. With David, what you see is what you get, and that's not an insult. He was durable with the Colts and for the most part was reliable. Not to mention he is rather young so there's a lot of room for him to still grow.

He can support the run defense well, hard to block and is a good tackler.

[Flames in 07]

Saints re-sign Charles Grant to a 7 year deal, 20M guarenteed.

[Saint Troy]

Saints re-sign Charles Grant to a 7 year deal, 20M guarenteed.

That kind of came out of nowhere as Grant's people had met with the Bucs several weeks ago, trying to force the Saints hand, and they didn't budge. Grant had also been mentioned in trade rumours, but I like the move, he is a leader on the defence and a very good player.

[Flames in 07]

He never gets injuried and DE's are better if you have studs on both sides. Both Grand and Will Smith are better players because of this deal. Proof is last year they made highway #22 look like a good corner for half of the season.

[burn_baby_burn]

Jared Allen of the Kansas City Chiefs will be suspended for the first four games of the 2007 season.

[Prototype]

I'm not ready to jump off the wagon yet

I'm not either at this point. I'm actually in awe of this whole thread. You see, I'm a casual fan. I know more about Peyton's side of the ball than the defense. But when a championship is won, and you start seeing names from that team move on... I know it's expected... but I can't help but think that its not the best thing for the team, not being able to retain these guys.

But I'll be the first to admit, I am way in over my head in this thread. Just trying to soak it all in.

[rubecube]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Raiders are shopping Randy Moss.

[Flickered Flame]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Raiders are shopping Randy Moss.

According to the NFL network and NFL.com, the Raiders have spoken with and continue to speak with the Pats about a possible deal for Moss.

[Flickered Flame]

Moss to Pats pending a physical.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10156954

[Flames in 07]

I just heard D Jackson to the 49ers for a 4th.

What is with these inter division deals. How can anyone think their way thorough a deal that your division rival thinks will improve their team?

[Bobblehead]

I just heard D Jackson to the 49ers for a 4th.

What is with these inter division deals. How can anyone think their way thorough a deal that your division rival thinks will improve their team?

Wow, stocking up all those 4th rounders really made for good trade coin. Go Niners.

[transplant99]

Moss to Pats pending a physical.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10156954


Done deal...it has become official according to the ESPN crew.

IF, and its a big if, Moss decides he wants to play, this deal is an absolute steal for the Patriots.

Obvious what Belichick was doing this year as this is about the 5th or 6th receiver/TE they have added.

Kelley Washington, Dante Stallworth, Wes Walker, and a couple others I cant recall. Add that to their pickup of Adelius Thomas at LB and this club is stacked once more.

Pats are going to be tough tough tough once again.

[Flickered Flame]

Done deal...it has become official according to the ESPN crew.

IF, and its a big if, Moss decides he wants to play, this deal is an absolute steal for the Patriots.

Obvious what Belichick was doing this year as this is about the 5th or 6th receiver/TE they have added.

Kelley Washington, Dante Stallworth, Wes Walker, and a couple others I cant recall. Add that to their pickup of Adelius Thomas at LB and this club is stacked once more.

Pats are going to be tough tough tough once again.

Yeah the Pats are going to be real tough this year. Its hard to believe that the Raiders couldn't get more than a 4th rounder for Moss. I guess NE was the only place he would go for a pay cut.

[CaramonLS]

Oakland Management is simply amazing.

Just looking at their draft mistakes they could have had Lienart and Johnson. Given a proper QB, Moss might have actually wanted to stay and play too.

[Flames in 07]

Oakland Management is simply amazing.

Just looking at their draft mistakes they could have had Lienart and Johnson. Given a proper QB, Moss might have actually wanted to stay and play too.

I love it though, nobody is more deserving than Al Davis to have an awful franchise.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I love it though, nobody is more deserving than Al Davis to have an awful franchise.
Art Modell

I will at least acknowlegde Davis' contributions to making the league what it is today. I hate the guy too, but Modell is worse.

[Flames in 07]

I don't know, the good people of LA and the good people of Cleveland could proabably create good arguements for both I suppose.

BTW, what's up with Denver trading their first born to move up a few spots to get that Tackle?

[Displaced Flames fan]

I don't know, the good people of LA and the good people of Cleveland could proabably create good arguements for both I suppose.

BTW, what's up with Denver trading their first born to move up a few spots to get that Tackle?


I think they wanted one of Harrell or Moss and when Green Bay took Harrell so early they pulled the trigger.

They gave up a boatload (relatively speaking) to move up in the sixth round too.

Kind of out of character for Shanahan. I wanted Moss all along so I'm happy, but Denver usually drafts well enough that 3 or 4 of their lower round picks end up being contributors. Ain't gonna happen this year.

Love the first two picks though.

[Flames in 07]

ya, what I meant was the 6th round (or was it 5?)

I like how he picks, and I like how they have a system that makes others salivate over lower value positions (IE RB) so they can turn 4th round picks into Champ Baileys and Dre Bly's but they gamble too much with charactor. Which part of the Mo Clarett education was not obvious? Every year they seem to have one baby that blows up the dressing room. Kennison, there was a DT about 3 years ago that they kicked off the team mid-season, etc.

[habernac]

ugh, Moss in my dressing room. If he decides to finally shut up and play football, this may be a good deal. If not......

[Displaced Flames fan]

ugh, Moss in my dressing room. If he decides to finally shut up and play football, this may be a good deal. If not......

I would bet on him NOT being a disruption.

The team is going to be great...it's not mismanaged or poorly coached. Those are the things he's been dealing with his entire career...and he hasn't dealt with them well.

I think he gets a much worse rap than what he deserves. He's certainly no Terrell Owens IMO.

I would've been pretty happy to see him come to Denver, but I was adamant that I didn't want T.O.

Pats are the favorites to win the Super Bowl right now IMO.

[moon]

I would bet on him NOT being a disruption.

The team is going to be great...it's not mismanaged or poorly coached. Those are the things he's been dealing with his entire career...and he hasn't dealt with them well.

I think he gets a much worse rap than what he deserves. He's certainly no Terrell Owens IMO.



I don't think he was mismanaged or poorly coached in Minnesota and he still had problems there. He certainly is not Terrell Owens, he is ten times worse. Owens may throw teammates under the bus but when the game is on he gives his all every play and does everything to help you win. Moss has already stated that he takes plays off and will pout at the first chance he gets.

He may be better behaved in NE with Brady, Belichek et al. but I wonder how he will react if they chose to make some throws to Graham and Stallworth and runthe ball with Maroney instead of all Randy all the time.

I think it will work for awhile but at some point Randy will find something he doesn't like and do something stupid.

The Patriots became successful by taking guys that fit rather than going for the top talent. I wonder now that they have made multiple decisions on guys that don't fit or have character issues if they will have that same success.

I think they are a Super Bowl favorite along with a few teams but am not sure they have any more talent than the Chargers though.

[Displaced Flames fan]

The Chargers have lots of talent.

That's not what wins Super Bowls entirely though.

New England is extremely well coached and San Diego has a coach who is a 2 time loser as a head coach. That could be the difference.

Plus, San Diego plays in a much tougher division...one which they will be runner up this year. ;)

[Flames in 07]

I would bet on him NOT being a disruption.

The team is going to be great...it's not mismanaged or poorly coached. Those are the things he's been dealing with his entire career...and he hasn't dealt with them well.

I think he gets a much worse rap than what he deserves. He's certainly no Terrell Owens IMO.

I would've been pretty happy to see him come to Denver, but I was adamant that I didn't want T.O.

Pats are the favorites to win the Super Bowl right now IMO.

If there is one place he will work out it is NE.

He's not like TO ... if he is winning he is fine.

[Bobblehead]

I think Moss may workd out in NE simply because the Pats won't allow one player to be bigger than the team, and every player that goes there know that. If Moss takes a few plays off then Bill will have him on the bench and no amount of pouting will work. Randy knows that, he has reqworked his contract so he can play there (Holy Cow, helping the rich stay rich!) so while I think he will have a few mopey moments, he will also get smacked out of it pretty quickly.

[habernac]

Belichick won't put up with any of his crap, that's for certain. who knows? Corey Dillon wasn't looked too kindly upon before and was a model Patriot. Anything is possible. Brady certainly can't say he doesn't have a receiver anymore.

[Flames in 07]

Dillon is a decent example because we was simply just tired of losing. I think they will get a year or two out of Randy, but that will be good enough to justify the 4th round pick.

[Bobblehead]

But that was why Dillion was unhappy - he was tired of being the only decent player on a franchise that wasn't doing much to get better.

Moss is also on a poor franchise, but isn't playing hard. You could never say that about Dillon.

[Prototype]

Moss is also on a poor franchise, but isn't playing hard. You could never say that about Dillon.

Moss can be the best player on winning teams. He's the worst player when the team is losing. Loses his drive. Playmaker when the rest of the team is clicking... that's for damn sure.

[Flames in 07]

But that was why Dillion was unhappy - he was tired of being the only decent player on a franchise that wasn't doing much to get better.

Moss is also on a poor franchise, but isn't playing hard. You could never say that about Dillon.

Regardless of wheather he was playing hard, they were both very motivated in moving to a winner. I know Moss was a bedwetter when things didn't work out, but so long as they do in NE he will perform well

[Bobblehead]

Regardless of wheather he was playing hard, they were both very motivated in moving to a winner. I know Moss was a bedwetter when things didn't work out, but so long as they do in NE he will perform well

What happens if Belichek benches him for a quarter if Bill thinks Moss mails in a couple plays?

THAT will decide how this turns out.

[Flames in 07]

then they cut him and lose a 4th rnd pick. Not alot to lose with a ton of upside.

[Sainters7]

I watched almost every Colts game the last 4 or 5 years so I can give you at least what "I" see in him. First off it's good he's going to another Dome team because his speed is his biggest assett. Just like a lot of Colts defensive players, he's pretty undersized, so he's not going to be locked up against a #1 or #2 guy man to man anytime soon. He fits well into zones and swarms the ball rather good. With David, what you see is what you get, and that's not an insult. He was durable with the Colts and for the most part was reliable. Not to mention he is rather young so there's a lot of room for him to still grow.

Thanks for the wrap-up, it's good to hear the Saints will actually have some speed at the #2 spot, to replace ol' Highway 22 there. I worry about what you mentioned in the part I bolded though, about him not being great locked up man-to-man against a #1 or 2 guy, as the Saints probably use more man-to-man D than any other team in the league. Sounds like he should win the #2 job over Thomas and Craft rather easily, but by no means does that fix the hole in the secondary.

[flames_1987]

Cap wise if Moss goes back to his old ways it won't hurt the Patriots. However if he does act up halfway through the season, or during a very critical part of the year, you don't think it will have an affect on the team? Having to hear question after question about Randy, wondering whether or not he's gonna be cut exc.

Personally I think Moss is going to blossom in New England and finally get his head on strait. I just think that the risk in signing him is basically nothing as many have said, just because the cap hit would be small.

[burn_baby_burn]

Chiefs release DE Eric Hicks. And trade DT Ryan Simms for an undisclosed draft pick to Tampa Bay.

[burn_baby_burn]

Keyshawn Johnson released by the Panthers.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CAR/10161124

[Displaced Flames fan]

Chiefs release DE Eric Hicks. And trade DT Ryan Simms for an undisclosed draft pick to Tampa Bay.


I'm sure Chief fans are all tore up about Ryan Sims leaving.:rolleyes:

[Sylvanfan]

I'm sure Chief fans are all tore up about Ryan Sims leaving.:rolleyes:

Yeah, I'll sure miss him....He was like the 6th overall pick in the draft and the team traded up to get him to boot. Absolutely horrible, but It's nice to see Edwards cut some of the dead weight on that defence here from the past few years.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Yeah, I'll sure miss him....He was like the 6th overall pick in the draft and the team traded up to get him to boot. Absolutely horrible, but It's nice to see Edwards cut some of the dead weight on that defence here from the past few years.

Absolutely.

That Samoan kid from Oregon has already made Chiefs fans forget about Sims. Despite Jared Allen's problems, he's a hell of a player too.

How'd you feel about the Bowe pick? I thought it was exactly where they needed to go. A lot of locals were keen on offensive linemen and were upset.

[burn_baby_burn]

Absolutely.

That Samoan kid from Oregon has already made Chiefs fans forget about Sims. Despite Jared Allen's problems, he's a hell of a player too.

How'd you feel about the Bowe pick? I thought it was exactly where they needed to go. A lot of locals were keen on offensive linemen and were upset.

Reminds me a lot of Sylvester Morris and what might have been. Hope Bowe plays as well and can stay healthy.

Tim Grunhard is all gaga over him. Jason Whitlock likes the pick but thinks the Chiefs should have bulked up on offensive linemen. The Chiefs have no recievers. They need receivers. Sure they need offensive lineman. But they needed to draft the best player available with the 23rd pick.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I like the Bowe pick too. Offensive lineman can be developed with good coaching and you just can't pass up a chance to grab a skill player with that much talent at that point in the draft. I think the Chiefs maybe could have looked to nab an O-lineman instead of a kicker in the 5th round....but I digress. The line should be good enough still to be able to protect the QB and having a good WR to go with Gonzalez should help the Chiefs run a more balanced offence. The old duo of Eddie Kennison and Sammy Parker frankly wasn't good enough, and as BBB said, they needed to upgrade at that position as their depth and talent there just isn't very good.

[burn_baby_burn]

610 Sports in Kansas City is reporting that the Philadelphia Enquirer is claiming that RB Larry Johnson is planning to hold out on the Chiefs if they don't rework his contract. Johnson is scheduled to make $1.85 million this year and has 3 years left on his rookie contract. Odds of Johnson holding out are apparantly 50 / 50.

[Sainters7]

610 Sports in Kansas City is reporting that the Philadelphia Enquirer is claiming that RB Larry Johnson is planning to hold out on the Chiefs if they don't rework his contract. Johnson is scheduled to make $1.85 million this year and has 3 years left on his rookie contract. Odds of Johnson holding out are apparantly 50 / 50.

Adam Schefter on the NFL Network commented on those odds today, and said 50/50 was probably too hopeful. He seems to think LJ will most likely hold out. And to be honest I cant even blame him, as the way the Chiefs are over-using him, by the time he is a free agent again he's going to have plastic knees.

[Clever_Iggy]

Adam Schefter on the NFL Network commented on those odds today, and said 50/50 was probably too hopeful. He seems to think LJ will most likely hold out. And to be honest I cant even blame him, as the way the Chiefs are over-using him, by the time he is a free agent again he's going to have plastic knees.

No kidding - less than a million next year? A RB has got to get paid when we can because he's only got a shelf life of ~7-9 years. When youre worked like Johnson, that can get shorter.

I think he will, and should, hold out.

[Displaced Flames fan]

No kidding - less than a million next year? A RB has got to get paid when we can because he's only got a shelf life of ~7-9 years. When youre worked like Johnson, that can get shorter.

I think he will, and should, hold out.

Well, he should if he's not offered a fair deal.

No question the Chiefs need to tear that rookie deal up and give him a new one. The thing is that LJ is a me first (almost a me only) player and he's going to want something insane like to be the highest paid running back in the league.

Maybe that isn't insane, I don't know...but I wouldn't expect him to sign the first fair offer that comes his way...and at that point...he's the bad guy again.

[Sylvanfan]

The thing is why did he sign that contract in the first place? I thought he only had one year left after this one as his rookie deal was for 5 years and he's been in the league for 4 now.

To a certain extent I do understand why he'd want a better deal now or next year. As CleverIggy suggests running backs usually don't produce too much past that rookie contract, and the more you're used, the quicker you'll break down and be replaced with a younger guy. I mean if you're going to ask him to be your go to horse and give him the ball 400 times you should be paying him accordingly. If you don't at some point in time he might stop trying, which would lead to a pretty ugly situation.

Meh, I'd trade him now while he's still got decent trade value. The Chiefs are likely going into the season with Brody Croyle, Damon Huard, and Casey Printers at QB, I don't really see a playoff season, so look to build your team for the year after. This way you see what Priest Holmes has left after sitting out for a year and a half. If it doesn't work out you hopefully have a top pick and another first rounder next year. Than again I know little about football.

[Flames in 07]

It's his right to sit. I know he's been a bedwetter since he came into the league, but signing a deal does not force him to play football. If he wants to sit a year to keep himself healthy it's hard to argue with the logic. Someone will give him a decent deal in 08, however to me, he has Olandis Gary written all over him ... anyone even know where Gary went after Denver? That line and system work perfect, he has a small handfull of carries each game where he is not touched until 6 yds down field. If he moves teams don't take him in your fantasy pool.

[Clever_Iggy]

Well, he should if he's not offered a fair deal.

No question the Chiefs need to tear that rookie deal up and give him a new one. The thing is that LJ is a me first (almost a me only) player and he's going to want something insane like to be the highest paid running back in the league.

Maybe that isn't insane, I don't know...but I wouldn't expect him to sign the first fair offer that comes his way...and at that point...he's the bad guy again.

He'll definitely want franchise tag-type money without the downfall of the franchise tag. He's definitely a top 5 and maybe top 3 RB in the league but wear and tear adds up in a hurry.

He deserves money in the same ballpark as LT and Alexander, but like Sylan says - is it worth it? That line is pretty new and unproven and a high quality RB is useless without a decent o-line. And my suspicions are that a lot of his (and Holmes') numbers were a results of that HOF left side.

But to trade him - who would take him? KC cant just walk away from the number 2 rusher in the league. But then again, McGahee and Jones went for 3rd picks and San Diego was asking for a 1st rounder for Turner (no mileage) and found no biters. The 2-back system really lowers the value of a workhorse RB - but the "me first" Johnson wont see it that way.

This could get ugly.

[burn_baby_burn]

I don't think LJ deserves the same or more than LT. That guy is a monster. But LJ does deserve more than he is currently getting. I think if you produce, Carl Peterson and the Hunt family will take care of you. Tony Gonzales has gotten his money every time. Priest Holmes got his money. Trent Green got his money. (In my opinion Green and Holmes should be released, but Carl seems to have a soft spot for these players) I think LJ will get his money. But I just hope he continues to produce after he gets his fat contract. That is my concern. LJ is currently in KC participating in OTA's and according to the KC media is going to participate in mini camp next weekend. We'll see what happens.

[Flames in 07]

He'll definitely want franchise tag-type money without the downfall of the franchise tag. He's definitely a top 5 and maybe top 3 RB in the league but wear and tear adds up in a hurry.

He deserves money in the same ballpark as LT and Alexander, but like Sylan says - is it worth it? That line is pretty new and unproven and a high quality RB is useless without a decent o-line. And my suspicions are that a lot of his (and Holmes') numbers were a results of that HOF left side.

But to trade him - who would take him? KC cant just walk away from the number 2 rusher in the league. But then again, McGahee and Jones went for 3rd picks and San Diego was asking for a 1st rounder for Turner (no mileage) and found no biters. The 2-back system really lowers the value of a workhorse RB - but the "me first" Johnson wont see it that way.

This could get ugly.

LJ will never get LT or Alexander money ... ever.

LJ is a good back but has a stud oline blocking for him and he has clubhouse issues written all over him. He earned that reputation as a rookie and it pops up now and again.

He'll get paid well, and I don't blame him for sitting the year, but LT, he aint.

[Clever_Iggy]

LJ will never get LT or Alexander money ... ever.

LJ is a good back but has a stud oline blocking for him and he has clubhouse issues written all over him. He earned that reputation as a rookie and it pops up now and again.

He'll get paid well, and I don't blame him for sitting the year, but LT, he aint.

Im not saying he's LT, but you cannot argue with the numbers. And you know some team will be willing to pay him (Green Bay or Houston for example).

He did have a great o-line to run behind, but the market will get you top dollar regardless of what team you played for before - look at E. James - put up huge numbers in Indy and everyone knew he was playing with a great offense. Arizona still signed him to a monster contract.

Bottom line, he's not as good as LT, he has clubhouse issues, and maybe he doesnt deserve LT money, yet... but he'll get near it. GB or Houston will think theyre only a RB away from the division and theyll pay.

[transplant99]

Stumbled across this article in which it appears that the GB Packers are interested in Keyshawn Johnson.

The Pack have a slew of young wideouts along with Driver, Jennings and the oft-injured Ferguson. If they sign KJ it would likely be as a 3rd down/possesion guy who would fill the TE void the Pack have suffered through for 2 seasons now.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12004

[Displaced Flames fan]

I think Keyshawn would be a valuable addition at this point in his career.


Promising young Jags corner Ahmad Carroll is in trouble now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2861806

[rubecube]

I think Keyshawn would be a valuable addition at this point in his career.


Promising young Jags corner Ahmad Carroll is in trouble now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2861806

Carroll is about the furthest thing from promising there is. He's a bust that will be out of the NFL in the next 2 years.