Re-living the Stanley Cup - Historic Treasures by bobbylouie

[Ace]

So some friends of mine are playing/streaming an old NCAA tournament (from a year most people don’t remember) to still fill out their brackets. Pretty cool idea to keep something going.

Was wondering if there is anyway we could have game nights from 1989? Does this exist out there, would this even be possible?

Know you guys are way smarter than I, so thought I’d send out a seed thought. I was too young in 1989 to really have appreciated it, would be fun to follow with others. (Game every other night?) Game Thread and all??

Who’s with me!

[btimbit]

Hey that would be awesome, I'd totally be interested in that

I have game 6 of the final on my computer somewhere, does anyone have the rest?

[Tsawwassen]

Was wondering if there is anyway we could have game nights from 1989? Does this exist out there, would this even be possible?

Know you guys are way smarter than I, so thought I’d send out a seed thought. I was too young in 1989 to really have appreciated it, would be fun to follow with others. (Game every other night?) Game Thread and all??

Who’s with me!I like it. Throw in 1986 game nights as well for the prequel. Those two playoff years are so intertwined.

[bobbylouie]

Not sure if this really fits the bill, and it wouldn't work for a real time thread with commentary (since it isn't video), but I do have in-depth full game reports for every game of the 1988-89 season in this format that includes lots of tidbits that might not be familiar to fans, especially if you weren't born yet.

The game 1 report is extra long (it's the only one for the entire season on 2 pages) since it includes off-season info, with some interesting notes about Vernon, Macoun, Gilmour, Fleury and others, McDonald starting on the 4th line, and how the roster was formulated.

It was created in real-time back in 1988, with some additional info added in the interim for historical perspective.

Like I said, it's not exactly what the OP asked for, but if there's any interest, let me know.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNk5OQnvD6ptXwjR4Odc20q3lZ4xXsX8GuyXBV6

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPAXYCoUxHnOUP92pPcHMtdAt65_eeuApgYIFXi

Also, I'm not a prolific poster, so my apologies in advance if I screwed up the tech part of this. I suppose I'll see myself in a few minutes.

[bobbylouie]

Attached photos didn't appear although the insert thing appears in my text, so I'll try one more time here, if still nothing, I'll need help from somebody and my posts can be deleted by a mod

[IMG]https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNk5OQnvD6ptXwjR4Odc20q3lZ4xXsX8GuyXBV6

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPAXYCoUxHnOUP92pPcHMtdAt65_eeuApgYIFXi

[Split98]

^ Holy crap that sounds super cool though

[Ace]

In all seriousness: could Sportsnet do this?

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Not sure if this really fits the bill, and it wouldn't work for a real time thread with commentary (since it isn't video), but I do have in-depth full game reports for every game of the 1988-89 season in this format that includes lots of tidbits that might not be familiar to fans, especially if you weren't born yet.

The game 1 report is extra long (it's the only one for the entire season on 2 pages) since it includes off-season info, with some interesting notes about Vernon, Macoun, Gilmour, Fleury and others, McDonald starting on the 4th line, and how the roster was formulated.

It was created in real-time back in 1988, with some additional info added in the interim for historical perspective.

Like I said, it's not exactly what the OP asked for, but if there's any interest, let me know.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNk5OQnvD6ptXwjR4Odc20q3lZ4xXsX8GuyXBV6

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPAXYCoUxHnOUP92pPcHMtdAt65_eeuApgYIFXi

Also, I'm not a prolific poster, so my apologies in advance if I screwed up the tech part of this. I suppose I'll see myself in a few minutes.

WHOA! this sounds amazing! I'd be interested in seeing these.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Not sure if this really fits the bill, and it wouldn't work for a real time thread with commentary (since it isn't video), but I do have in-depth full game reports for every game of the 1988-89 season in this format that includes lots of tidbits that might not be familiar to fans, especially if you weren't born yet.

The game 1 report is extra long (it's the only one for the entire season on 2 pages) since it includes off-season info, with some interesting notes about Vernon, Macoun, Gilmour, Fleury and others, McDonald starting on the 4th line, and how the roster was formulated.

It was created in real-time back in 1988, with some additional info added in the interim for historical perspective.

Like I said, it's not exactly what the OP asked for, but if there's any interest, let me know.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNk5OQnvD6ptXwjR4Odc20q3lZ4xXsX8GuyXBV6

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPAXYCoUxHnOUP92pPcHMtdAt65_eeuApgYIFXi

Also, I'm not a prolific poster, so my apologies in advance if I screwed up the tech part of this. I suppose I'll see myself in a few minutes.

Sounds like you're about to be!

I'd try to upload the pictures at https://imgbb.com/ then try posting them from the imgbb site.

Can't wait to read those!

[bobbylouie]

ok, trying to embed again from imgbb

https://ibb.co/94fG6Zj

https://ibb.co/4VjHJmh

If the embed doesn't work (I don't see them in the preview screen even though they appear as text in my typed reply),
here is the direct link to the info (if you're allowed to do direct links here
so people can at least see if it's worth something)

https://ibb.co/94fG6Zj

https://ibb.co/4VjHJmh

https://ibb.co/6nngYfD

fingers crossed

[bobbylouie]

Looks like some people are seeing it, so a couple of things off the top for clarity:

At the time, the NHL was playing 5-minute overtimes with regulation 5-on-5
skaters, with the game finishing as tied if nobody scored in the overtime. Thus,
the 4 periods shown in the scoring totals, and shots on goal.

Also, the apparent discrepancy with the note about Jiri Hrdina's goal although it
doesn't show in the boxscore --- the goal was changed on Friday to Al MacInnis
when Hrdina said he never tipped MacInnis' shot. The boxscore was updated at a
later time, while the narrative note created post-game in real time remains.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

ok, trying to embed again from imgbb

https://ibb.co/94fG6Zj

https://ibb.co/4VjHJmh

If the embed doesn't work (I don't see them in the preview screen even though they appear as text in my typed reply),
here is the direct link to the info (if you're allowed to do direct links here
so people can at least see if it's worth something)

https://ibb.co/94fG6Zj

https://ibb.co/4VjHJmh

https://ibb.co/6nngYfD

fingers crossed

Awesome! Really cool stuff. The game notes are most interesting to me. I had to look up that Steve Smith as I had zero memory of him as a player let alone a Flame. He must have been strictly pre-season then lost on waivers. Can I ask how you came across these? Do you have multiple seasons as well?

[bobbylouie]

Yeah, this guy is a "secondary" Steve Smith who was a 1st round pick for Philadelphia in 1981 and played only 18 games over 6 seasons, NOT the legendary Steve Smith of Edmonton-Calgary lore.

[bobbylouie]

If somebody could privately send me (or just post it here) a screenshot of what a proper "reply to thread" looks like with a photo embedded, that might be helpful since it seems like this would be more effective if I could just post the info directly to the thread rather than link it.

[drewtastic]

"...while the fiery young Fleury loudly made it clear that he'd be back in the NHL soon."

Beauty.

[JD]

Man there's a lot to unpack in each of those. Thanks for sharing!

[Split98]

"Flames start the season healthy with the exception of back-up goalie Rick Wamsley, still recovering from lingering effects of the flu"

Back in those days, the flu would take you down to a day or two... and generally, you'd have to be pretty careless to contract if from them

...the good 'ol days...

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Again, cannot emphasize how much I enjoy seeing things like this. For the longest time it felt (and sometimes still does) hockey was so far behind the times from a historical archive perspective. Sites like Hockey-Reference and Nhl.com have come leaps and bounds sharing historic boxscores and game logs. I still think we have a long way to go as a site like baseball reference is the end-all be-all to baseball stats as the data they've acquired has so many layers.

Would love if a site like Hockey-Reference somehow acquired data from someone like the Hockey News and could post summary recaps and game notes (like what you've posted for those first two 88-89 games). I get that is a huge undertaking but I feel like would be such a valuable tool from an Archival perspective and is incredibly important.

[bobbylouie]

Game 2 coming at 3 p.m. Thursday. Now see that my account is set for "you may NOT post attachments", so I'll do the link thing again, but if somebody can tell me how to change that, I still think it would better if I could embed the info right here so it appears within the post.

[bobbylouie]

Game 2 - Saturday, October 8, 1988

Calgary Flames 5 at Los Angeles Kings 6 (OT)

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https://ibb.co/p1xx2ZY --- Full Game Report Part 1

https://ibb.co/dJc6250 --- Full Game Report Part 2

https://ibb.co/8Px5xQt --- Boxscore

https://ibb.co/4pW4xj9 --- Color Game Photo #1, goal scorer Hakan Loob

https://ibb.co/Fsscbkc --- Color Game Photo #2, (action) Duguay, Mark Hunter,
Macoun, Playfair

https://ibb.co/xzhhPxR --- LA Times game story with explanation of disputed OT
goal

https://ibb.co/Ld0z3Dp --- LA Times game story part 2


Hopefully all the links are correct. Working a little blind here without the photos on screen.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Game 2 - Saturday, October 8, 1988

Calgary Flames 5 at Los Angeles Kings 6 (OT)

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https://ibb.co/p1xx2ZY --- Full Game Report Part 1

https://ibb.co/dJc6250 --- Full Game Report Part 2

https://ibb.co/8Px5xQt --- Boxscore

https://ibb.co/4pW4xj9 --- Color Game Photo #1, goal scorer Hakan Loob

https://ibb.co/Fsscbkc --- Color Game Photo #2, (action) Duguay, Mark Hunter,
Macoun, Playfair

https://ibb.co/xzhhPxR --- LA Times game story with explanation of disputed OT
goal

https://ibb.co/Ld0z3Dp --- LA Times game story part 2


Hopefully all the links are correct. Working a little blind here without the photos on screen.

Love it! Man, box scores were something else back them. Seemed like almost every game was like that. I love the full detailed ones as well. I remember the Hockey News only had the player name and either (minor) or (major) next to the name. I believe they changed to full detailed penalties for the 89-90 season.

[bobbylouie]

Love it! Man, box scores were something else back them. Seemed like almost every game was like that

Make sure to hang in there for game 4 vs Edmonton, it's a doozy. You might want to bring a cozy chair and a cocktail for that one.

By the way, I'll post game 3 on Friday afternoon at 3 p.m.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Wait, wait. You have to tell me though. How did you come across all of this? Did you work in newspapers at one point?

Also, would in interested to compare your game logs to those from Hockey-Reference. Here is the opener against NYI: https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/198810060CGY.html

[the-rasta-masta]

This thread made me go watch game 6 highlights from 1989 against the Habs. I was 2 at the time, but how did that second Montreal goal count? Clear goalie interference on Vernon it looked like.

[tvp2003]

Game 2 - Saturday, October 8, 1988

Calgary Flames 5 at Los Angeles Kings 6 (OT)

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https://ibb.co/p1xx2ZY --- Full Game Report Part 1

https://ibb.co/dJc6250 --- Full Game Report Part 2

https://ibb.co/8Px5xQt --- Boxscore

https://ibb.co/4pW4xj9 --- Color Game Photo #1, goal scorer Hakan Loob

https://ibb.co/Fsscbkc --- Color Game Photo #2, (action) Duguay, Mark Hunter,
Macoun, Playfair

https://ibb.co/xzhhPxR --- LA Times game story with explanation of disputed OT
goal

https://ibb.co/Ld0z3Dp --- LA Times game story part 2


Hopefully all the links are correct. Working a little blind here without the photos on screen.

Amazing stuff -- thank you!

P.S. Instead of using ibb for photo hosting, another option is imgur. You can reduce the size by adding an "l" at the end of the file name:

https://i.imgur.com/ruVkDfd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ruVkDfdl.jpg

From there you can embed using the IMG tags:

https://i.imgur.com/ruVkDfd.jpg

[bobbylouie]

I think I finally sorted out the tech thing (my fault from the start and thanks for the help), so for continuity, re-starting from Game 1. Games 2 and 3 will follow shortly. Let me know if the sizing is appropriate,

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[GioforPM]

This thread made me go watch game 6 highlights from 1989 against the Habs. I was 2 at the time, but how did that second Montreal goal count? Clear goalie interference on Vernon it looked like.

Back then guys like Glenn Anderson made a living by just running into the goalie and hoping the puck went in too.

[bobbylouie]

Includes 2 color photos from the game (goal scorer Hakan Loob, and an action picture with Ron Duguay, Mark Hunter, Jamie Macoun and Larry Playfair), plus the newspaper report from the LA Times explaining the disputed nature of the overtime goal

https://i.imgur.com/wskmyWp.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/cPi7eP9.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/hOtcX4Vh.jpg

[bobbylouie]

https://i.imgur.com/JoLvA85.jpg

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For now I want to hold off on where this material came from
and how it came about, but yes it does exist for other seasons
and for all teams.

If I do one game each day, this will be about a 100 day project,
so I guess that seems like a reasonable timetable for now, but
I am located in a Covid hotspot, so circumstances could change
at any time.

For now, just look forward to the post for game 4 on Saturday
at 5 p.m., because like I said, it's a doozy vs. Edmonton

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

https://i.imgur.com/JoLvA85.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VQOPnQj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0KJdSZFl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/waZLVcml.jpg




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For now I want to hold off on where this material came from
and how it came about, but yes it does exist for other seasons
and for all teams.

If I do one game each day, this will be about a 100 day project,
so I guess that seems like a reasonable timetable for now, but
I am located in a Covid hotspot, so circumstances could change
at any time.

For now, just look forward to the post for game 4 on Saturday
at 5 p.m., because like I said, it's a doozy vs. Edmonton


Right on! I appreciate you sharing these. It gives me nothing but pure joy to know information like this still exists!

[bobbylouie]

https://i.imgur.com/9Je74WV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iG2yP56.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rfaNO6il.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/APsR158l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OooiWOdl.jpg

Two video clips from the game, including the Mark Hunter hit on Kevin Lowe:
Tried to embed them like everything else, but getting an error message, so here are the direct links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nCMLGvAoww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJoPQdmoalM

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The earlier comment about "love the boxscores from those days --- every game seemed to be like that" certainly holds up in this case.......and actually gets even crazier in the next game, Game 5, Monday, October 17 vs Los Angeles with the return of Wayne Gretzky for the first time as a member of the Kings. I'll post that at 3 p.m. on Sunday afternoon.

[bobbylouie]

https://i.imgur.com/4EcrR6Th.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/LCaAO5qh.jpg


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Game 6 vs. Minnesota North Stars posting on Monday at 3 p.m.

[Buff]

This is great. Really brings back good memories.

My parents and I used to watch/listen to all the games and keep track of the scores in a notebook. Started with the 87/88 season and ended in 91/92.

[hwy19man]

Games two and three were on national television.

The second game, Flames-Kings, was on HNIC at 2030h and part of the first regular season doubleheader telecast for HNIC. The third game was on TSN.

I have been able to collect that information through the library and finding old schedules. I was too young to understand the scheduling and complain.

[bobbylouie]

https://i.imgur.com/Oa5cAZL.jpg

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Love it! Keep them coming as these are some of the high points in my day. A few observations...

1. I had forgotten how hot Hrdina started that season with 11 points in 6 games. He seemed super streaky.

2. Insane depth chart. Wow. Crazy how stacked our lineup was. The defense was just so good as well. The fact that Dana Murzyn wasn't even a regular yet says a lot.

3. Mark Hunter: I didn't know he was getting reps on the first line. It's funny to think he never really reached his true potential during his CGY run. I believe he ultimately got hurt for parts of the season and during the playoffs. I know he also blew out his knee in the 89-90 season. Fully healthy on the top line with Mullen and Gilmour, he probably could have gone 40-40-80 all while sort of serving as protection for Killer and Mullen. All worked out though in the long run :)

4. Another fun tidbit in the Minny game was Mullen's goal being waved off. His 51-59-110 stat line is so engraved in my head, so it's funny to think that it really should have been 52-59-111.

5. Toughness. Wow. What an era. Every team dressed like 4-5 guys who could absolutely chuck 'em. Hell, Shane Churla was probably the toughest of the bunch. IMO, 1988-1996 is my favorite era for hockey. Between the toughness and the offense--just so much to dig into. Reviewing stats from that era just seems a bit more fun that looking at stats from the past 15 years.

[ForeverFlameFan]

These are great, thanks for posting these. I unfortunately was not born yet to see the Flames win the cup so this is a special treat for me to see the 88/89 season game by game.

[GioforPM]

These are great, thanks for posting these. I unfortunately was not born yet to see the Flames win the cup so this is a special treat for me to see the 88/89 season game by game.

The game is on SN right now. Tied 1-1 (Vernon just let in his softy).

[Scroopy Noopers]

These photos are amazing!!! Thanks!

[bobbylouie]

Might be busy later on Tuesday afternoon, so posting extra early today.
Most days I'll be shooting for 3 p.m. mountain time, but that will always be tentative

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Photo: Ed Olczyk, Mike Vernon, Al MacInnis

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A touch of Toronto hyperbole after a 3-3 tie

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[Chris Biotti]

These are great! Thanks for sharing.

[bobbylouie]

https://i.imgur.com/oo16ZTd.jpg
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Game-Winning OT Goal Scorer Jim Peplinski

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Very short video clip of Al MacInnis-Ron Sutter altercation
Still getting error messages when trying to embed video,
so including the direct link if it doesn't work on-screen.
Based on the start of the clip, pretty amazing only roughing
penalties were called here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BbpPKYsdf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BbpPKYsdf4

https://i.imgur.com/bbPpgkXh.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/Q2YRBAPl.jpg

Next game includes full video highlights

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Can't wait for the video highlights of the Penguins game!

Also, come on. Mario was on another level in 88-89. 26 points in 7 games. INSANITY. What a season. Still can't believe he didn't win the Hart that year.

[Buff]

Can't wait for the video highlights of the Penguins game!

Also, come on. Mario was on another level in 88-89. 26 points in 7 games. INSANITY. What a season. Still can't believe he didn't win the Hart that year.

He score the most points that year, but it wasn't even the most PPG he had in a season. In 88/89 he had 199 points in 76 games. In 92/93 he was slightly higher with 160 points in 60 games putting him on pace for 202 points in 76 games.

Mario was another level.

[CliffFletcher]

Thanks for posting those game sheets. Really takes me back. What a stacked team - Hrdina opens the season with 14 pts in 8 games and he would end the season on the 4th line. Nice to see the Flyers stats as well - those mid-80s Flyers teams were great.

[bobbylouie]

Good News - Video highlights available from this game.
Bad News - Flames fans might not want to see the clip, which includes several goals and Wamsley getting steamrolled.
More Good News - I still can't get video embedding to work, so it's easily avoidable if you keep your itchy fingers away from the external link

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Also, I've still never understood why goals scored at the expiration of a power play don't count as power play goals. In reality, teams only get 1:59 of playing time to score a "power play goal" and the penalized player never returned to the play before the goal was scored.

And, the Dan Frawley anecdote probably only makes sense if you're at least 80 years old.

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Video Highlights of game
https://youtu.be/D-8xy6chMLI

Direct Link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-8xy6chMLI

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[tvp2003]

At the end of the Duha article:

"Vernon deserves one more year to prove that he's the money player the Flames need to go all the way".

Yeah, I think he proved himself.

[Buff]

Lemieux's 2nd goal though.

[Buff]

At the end of the Duha article:



Yeah, I think he proved himself.

Yet, some people still didn't believe it until he was gone.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Direct Link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-8xy6chMLI


Thanks for doing all this, this is great to follow!. Someone taught me how to embed YouTube so I’m paying it forward. In the YouTube link just copy over the part after the ‘=‘. For example in your clip here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-8xy6chMLI

You want it to look like this:
[ YOUTUBE ]D-8xy6chMLI[ /YOUTUBE ]

D-8xy6chMLI

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Lemieux's 2nd goal though.

Yeah, that was unbelievable--man against boys. Doing all that against arguably the best d-corp in the league that year too. IMO, Mario's run from 87-88 to 95-96 in the best run in the history of hockey. It's an absolute shame he was hurt/battled illness because I think his all-time numbers would have easily cemented him much closer to 99 when it was all said and done. At 8th place in the all time NHL scoring department he is only 198 points behind now second place (Jagr). You have to figure he'd be up there easily with 2,500 points if he didn't miss parts of 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, most of 1994 and all of 1995.

Also, that 89 Penguins teams has always intrigued me. They were made up of Mario, Coffey, Rob Brown and mostly grinders. The put up a ton of goals but played zero D. They also fought a ton--nearly 2,700 team pims.

This also might have been the best game Steve Guenette's career stopping 43 of 44 shots. As most of us know, Flames picked him up as insurance that season for a 6th round pick.

[Buff]

Rob Brown... He could score... if he was playing with Lemieux. He wasn't really dangerous any other time in the NHL.

They did have Dan Quinn who was a good offensive player.

I looked at that 88/89 team and looked at the careers of some guys in that team. Almost all of them had their best offensive production playing on Lemieux's team. For some of them it was night and day difference.

Mario put up 199 points that year. The only other superstar he had was Coffey.

Gretzky did numbers like that with the likes of Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, etc. Not trying to diminish Gretzky's achievements, but I truly wonder how much Lemieux could have done with better teammates in that same era, without injuries.

[bobbylouie]

Scroopy Noopers: thanks for the clear instructions on video embedding help, it will come in handy for the next (game 11) post.

I think I'd feel pretty comfortable entering most games with the Top 4 Defense the Capitals could throw out there.

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Jim Peplinski face washes Mike Ridley as Wamsley and Kelly Miller look on

https://i.imgur.com/Mb2L7q9l.jpg

Still no love for Wamsley in the local papers

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Capitals Post-Game Stats

https://i.imgur.com/NFkVAkxl.jpg

All-Star Ballot

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[bobbylouie]

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[bobbylouie]

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Blackhawks' Steve Larmer, who scored twice

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Top 10 Picks of the 1988 NHL Entry Draft

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[Buff]

If it wasn't such a futile exercise I'd remove all my thanks from your posts just so I could thank you again!

I'm loving this thread.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

If it wasn't such a futile exercise I'd remove all my thanks from your posts just so I could thank you again!

I'm loving this thread.

Same--absolutely loving these! The background info and game notes are fantastic insights to the season.

- Safe to say after the 2-1 loss to Vancouver, that may have been the worst stretch this squad played all season.

- Lack of playing time for Lanny must have been frustrating. Was there any friction between him and Crisp? Or did he pretty much know his role at the time?

- Joel Otto had a super slow start to the season. By my count it looks like he has 2 points through 12 games

- One thing that I've always wondered about Jeremy Roenick. Does anyone know why he went the QMJHL route? For being such an advocate for American hockey, I always thought it was interesting that he played Junior in the Q.

[GioforPM]

Rob Brown... He could score... if he was playing with Lemieux. He wasn't really dangerous any other time in the NHL.

They did have Dan Quinn who was a good offensive player.

I looked at that 88/89 team and looked at the careers of some guys in that team. Almost all of them had their best offensive production playing on Lemieux's team. For some of them it was night and day difference.

Mario put up 199 points that year. The only other superstar he had was Coffey.

Gretzky did numbers like that with the likes of Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, etc. Not trying to diminish Gretzky's achievements, but I truly wonder how much Lemieux could have done with better teammates in that same era, without injuries.

Rob Brown was good until his face was destroyed in a bad play - his play never recovered.

Mario’s career without illness and injury - he would have been close to Gretzky’s career numbers IMO.

[Buff]

Rob Brown was good until his face was destroyed in a bad play - his play never recovered.

Mario’s career without illness and injury - he would have been close to Gretzky’s career numbers IMO.


Wasn't that Kevin Stevens?

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Rob Brown was good until his face was destroyed in a bad play - his play never recovered.

Mario’s career without illness and injury - he would have been close to Gretzky’s career numbers IMO.

RE: Rob Brown. When did that facial injury take place? Post '89? Weird career path, as he went from 115 points to pretty much out of the league 3 seasons later.

[CliffFletcher]

Interesting that it used to be far more common for skilled forwards to play RW.

Flames Cup winning squad:

RW

Loob
Mullen
M Hunter
McDonald
Fleury

LW

Roberts
Patterson
MacLellan
Peplinski
T. Hunter


The Oilers had Anderson and Kurri at RW. The Flyers had Kerr and Tocchet. I wonder when LW became the skilled winger position.

[bobbylouie]

Re: upthread comments about Joel Otto and Lanny McDonald. Both situations get addressed in the next (game 14) report. Otto finally hits the score sheet, while a full feature story about the McDonald situation is included. However, an injury is about to suddenly alter Lanny's situation.

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Red-hot Doug Gilmour, acquired from St. Louis in September, has 7 points in the last 2 games

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[Tsawwassen]

RE: Rob Brown. When did that facial injury take place? Post '89? Weird career path, as he went from 115 points to pretty much out of the league 3 seasons later.Weird career path indeed. Like you said he was out of the NHL soon after. He was in the minors for 5 years and then was back with the Penguins for 3 more seasons.

[Buff]

RE: Rob Brown. When did that facial injury take place? Post '89? Weird career path, as he went from 115 points to pretty much out of the league 3 seasons later.

I'm certain it was Kevin Stevens. Here is the video of his injury. Went for a seemingly routine hit and fell face first into the ice. He had to have surgery on his face afterwards. He did have another solid year and also did well in the lockout shortened season where he missed nearly half the games but if I remember correctly he was battling addictions and it was starting to affect his game.

It happened on May 14, 1993, according to Stevens' Wikipediea page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Stevens


Spoiler in case you don't want to see him hit the ice.
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[Buff]

Weird career path indeed. Like you said he was out of the NHL soon after. He was in the minors for 5 years and then was back with the Penguins for 3 more seasons.


Yeah, and the numbers he put up in the IHL were very impressive. So good that you'd think he would have had more chances to make the NHL, even with his early success with Mario... the guy must have been lazy or just couldn't skate well enough to keep up in the NHL. I don't really remember why. He had talent though.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

I cannot post enough on how great these are. The various news clippings are great as well.

Rob Ramage: A great addition in theory but seemed liked his role was that of much more of Shutdown Dman as opposed to an offensive role. Again, it just shows the depth of the defense that season--just absolutely stacked.

[bobbylouie]

Thanks for the compliments on the posts. As I said early on, I already had all of this information compiled and available, but I do need to format it each day for this thread and that takes a chunk of time, which for now is a good thing here on the locked
down USA east coast. Considering the reduced number of people on the board these days, and that even less of those are old enough to not think that 1988-1989 is about as relevant as the Middle Ages, it's nice to hear that it's worth continuing. Game 14 coming shortly at the regular time. Rob Ramage says hello in this game.

[bobbylouie]

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A Helping Hand: That's what centre Doug Gilmour, eyed by the Sabres' Bob Halkidis (18),
gave the Flames as he collected five assists in the 9-0 victory

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Sabres' goalie Tom Barrasso, recently on the Flames' radar as a possible trade target,
had a rough night surrendering five goals and getting ejected for a butt-ending incident

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Canadian Olympic Boxing Gold Medalist Lennox Lewis attended the game
and was an enthusiastic spectator when the Hunter-Hartman fisticuffs broke out.

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Minor League Report

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[bobbylouie]

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Four-goal scorer Jiri Hrdina

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[Bingo]

I can't believe I didn't stumble into this topic until yesterday!

Thanks for giving me something to look forward to every day man, this is gold!

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

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Ah. Another stat erased from the records books it would seem as it looks like there is no record of the 5 minute major for Nieuwendyk anywhere. Interesting that the PP goal scored by Dineen the following period still holds up. Kind of of a weird situation which I guess has been fixed today by instant replay--right?

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/198811070CGY.html

[transplant99]

This is just outstanding stuff...like Bingo, i just discovered this.

I attended a lot of the games back then and i remember at least 2 of them that you have already posted, particularly that Sabres whitewash.

Great work and huge thanks.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

This is just outstanding stuff...like Bingo, i just discovered this.

I attended a lot of the games back then and i remember at least 2 of them that you have already posted, particularly that Sabres whitewash.

Great work and huge thanks.

Random question for the folks here who used to attend games in the 80s. Was smoking still allowed in the Dome back then? I am trying to pinpoint the time frame when smoking was banned in arenas. I started attending games (Whalers) in the early to mid 90s and have zero memory of anyone smoking, but not sure if it was an arena by arena case.

[transplant99]

Random question for the folks here who used to attend games in the 80s. Was smoking still allowed in the Dome back then? I am trying to pinpoint the time frame when smoking was banned in arenas. I started attending games (Whalers) in the early to mid 90s and have zero memory of anyone smoking, but not sure if it was an arena by arena case.

No...you could not smoke inside the dome but there were areas you could go outside and re-enter.

IIRC you couldnt smoke at the Corral either once the Flames arrived, but before that you could.

[bobbylouie]

Windy day here (Thursday afternoon) and power has flickered on and off once already, so about to post early (12:41 pm mt) just in case.

[bobbylouie]

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[bobbylouie]

[QUOTE=EastCoastFlamesFan;7429427]Ah. Another stat erased from the records books it would seem as it looks like there is no record of the 5 minute major for Nieuwendyk anywhere. Interesting that the PP goal scored by Dineen the following period still holds up. Kind of of a weird situation which I guess has been fixed today by instant replay--right?


Regarding this, it gets somewhat addressed in an article a few days later (that I'll post when it comes up naturally for continuity sake since it includes other road trip info)

Essentially, the league agreed that it was Ramage's stick that caused the foul, so they had a few ruling options. The most obvious to me were:

1. The wrong player was admittedly penalized, but since it already happened it's too late to change anything and Nieuwendyk is on the hook for the “warning” on his way to a 1-game suspension if it happens again.

2. (The most reasonable) The wrong player was penalized and since it already happened it's too late to change anything statistics-wise, but Nieuwendyk gets a clean slate and is off the hook for the “warning” on his way to a 1-game suspension.

3. (The slightly clunky way) The wrong player was penalized, so a correction to the record book will indicate that Ramage should have received the major and accompanying misconduct penalty and he is on the hook for the “warning”

Instead, the league went with a convoluted solution that to me makes no sense:

4. (The silly NHL version) The wrong player was penalized, so the penalty will be wiped from the records entirely as if it NEVER HAPPENED. Neither Nieuwendyk nor Ramage have any penalty minutes added to their records (but the Flames‘ team records include the 15 minutes). However, since a power play goal was scored during the 5-minutes the Flames skated shorthanded, that DID HAPPEN and stands.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

[QUOTE=EastCoastFlamesFan;7429427]Ah. Another stat erased from the records books it would seem as it looks like there is no record of the 5 minute major for Nieuwendyk anywhere. Interesting that the PP goal scored by Dineen the following period still holds up. Kind of of a weird situation which I guess has been fixed today by instant replay--right?


Regarding this, it gets somewhat addressed in an article a few days later (that I'll post when it comes up naturally for continuity sake since it includes other road trip info)

Essentially, the league agreed that it was Ramage's stick that caused the foul, so they had a few ruling options. The most obvious to me were:

1. The wrong player was admittedly penalized, but since it already happened it's too late to change anything and Nieuwendyk is on the hook for the “warning” on his way to a 1-game suspension if it happens again.

2. (The most reasonable) The wrong player was penalized and since it already happened it's too late to change anything statistics-wise, but Nieuwendyk gets a clean slate and is off the hook for the “warning” on his way to a 1-game suspension.

3. (The slightly clunky way) The wrong player was penalized, so a correction to the record book will indicate that Ramage should have received the major and accompanying misconduct penalty and he is on the hook for the “warning”

Instead, the league went with a convoluted solution that to me makes no sense:

4. (The silly NHL version) The wrong player was penalized, so the penalty will be wiped from the records entirely as if it NEVER HAPPENED. Neither Nieuwendyk nor Ramage have any penalty minutes added to their records (but the Flames‘ team records include the 15 minutes). However, since a power play goal was scored during the 5-minutes the Flames skated shorthanded, that DID HAPPEN and stands.

Typical NHL. LOL. So wait--are you saying that the PIM was wiped from Nieuwy's totals but still shows up in the team totals from the 88-89 season?

[bobbylouie]

That's my understanding. The penalty minutes were definitely deducted from
Nieuwendyk's total and definitely not added to Ramage's total. (I have verification of that here). As far as whether they were included in the Flames season total, that would be more adding than I'm up to right now, although there might be a quick way to check if you give me a day. I have the week-to-week team totals so it might only require checking a few games.

Also, my available time is again out of whack here on Friday, so game 17 post coming shortly after I hit the submit reply button on this one.

[bobbylouie]

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SCott Mellanby and Dana Murzyn work along the boards

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[bobbylouie]

Now have a relatively definitive answer on the penalty minute thing. Based on the obscurity of this, I'm pretty sure this is the only time in the last 31 years that this has ever come up.

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I put “officially” in quotation marks because it reminded of a story that is relevant to all of this, about a project I did for the Elias Sports Bureau a long time ago. During the first meeting, a supervisor came in and reminded us that although accuracy is a primary goal, it should be noted that “official” is NOT a synonym for “accurate”. He then quoted the derivation of official being from some Latin word meaning “of the office”. The point of all this was that in the end “official record” or “official stats” means whatever the office says happened, not necessarily what actually happened. So officially, Nieuwendyk (or Ramage) never high sticked anybody and was never penalized. And officially, the Whalers scored a power play goal, regardless of whether it really happened or not. Because the office says so.

[bobbylouie]

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For the first time this season, Mike Vernon is 1st Star, stopping 36 of 37 shots
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[bobbylouie]

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Joey Mullen scored his team leading 13th goal in the 2nd period

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Joe Nieuwendyk, the cover boy on tonight‘s game program, awaits a ruling on his penalties (see story)

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Jiri Hrdina in action on Tuesday night in Uniondale

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Keep 'em coming, BL! Telling you, these make my day. Just love reading the insights from the season.

One longtime Flame who I still think gets slightly forgotten about and overshadowed is Gary Suter. Largely due to the fact that Chopper became a mega star I have to think back in 1989 (Pre Stanley Cup) that Suter was probably the bigger name and I would think most people thought he would ultimately be the better player. A shame that he missed out on majority of the 89 Cup run with an injury (broken jaw, I think?) His offensive production was always consistent, but how was he considered defensively? He wasn't one of those Coffey/Housley D-men, right? I thought I remember him holding his own defensively, but would love to hear what some of the vets in here have to say.

[bobbylouie]

One longtime Flame who I still think gets slightly forgotten about and overshadowed is Gary Suter. Largely due to the fact that Chopper became a mega star I have to think back in 1989 (Pre Stanley Cup) that Suter was probably the bigger name and I would think most people thought he would ultimately be the better player. A shame that he missed out on majority of the 89 Cup run with an injury (broken jaw, I think?) His offensive production was always consistent, but how was he considered defensively? He wasn't one of those Coffey/Housley D-men, right? I thought I remember him holding his own defensively, but would love to hear what some of the vets in here have to say.

Regarding the perception of Suter at the time, that gets addressed pretty directly in the game 22 post that will appear here on Wednesday afternoon, so I'll let that speak for itself when it comes up.

More generally, here's a quote from that exact week that speaks of how perceptions can be wrong, especially of young players. It didn't really fit into any of these reports that I prepared at the time so I didn't include it, but it was part of a package that was provided on a weekly basis by a news source for inclusion in newsy-notes type stories.

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Today's game 20 post coming at the regular time, 3 p.m. mountain

[looooob]

Keep 'em coming, BL! Telling you, these make my day. Just love reading the insights from the season.

One longtime Flame who I still think gets slightly forgotten about and overshadowed is Gary Suter. Largely due to the fact that Chopper became a mega star I have to think back in 1989 (Pre Stanley Cup) that Suter was probably the bigger name and I would think most people thought he would ultimately be the better player. A shame that he missed out on majority of the 89 Cup run with an injury (broken jaw, I think?) His offensive production was always consistent, but how was he considered defensively? He wasn't one of those Coffey/Housley D-men, right? I thought I remember him holding his own defensively, but would love to hear what some of the vets in here have to say.
in 87-88 Suter and Sarge (who were d partners) both made the NHL 2nd all star team, Suter finished 3rd in Norris voting (behind Bourque and Stevens) with Sarge right behind him...now he definitely benefited from the steadying influence of one of the best but the Flames were very lucky to be able to roll that pair and Chopper with Macoun for those glory years

[bobbylouie]

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Al MacInnis got the Flames’ power play back on track with his 5th goal of the season

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Lanny McDonald, in action against the Devils, continues to see limited 4th line minutes
and hasn’t been part of the Flames’ success this season as the only player without a point

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[looooob]

^^ interesting on Fetisov. of course his (and Makarov et al) debut would wait til the next season...of course the 88-89 season would see a Soviet player skating in NHL silks, but more on that later I assume :)

[bobbylouie]

^^ interesting on Fetisov. of course his (and Makarov et al) debut would wait til the next season...of course the 88-89 season would see a Soviet player skating in NHL silks, but more on that later I assume :)


Lurking in the future........unfortunately there's probably more anticipation in your single post (and this one magazine cover story) then there ever would be excitement about his performance on the ice. But like you said, we'll get to that sometime in early June. And realizing/typing that just sent a little chill through me.

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[bobbylouie]

1:30 a.m. rambling....

I haven't added my own thoughts much in the first 20 games and have pretty much just stuck to the facts as originally written 31 years ago. But because the content is mostly forgotten by me, I'm essentially following along with everybody else and only read it when I'm going through it the night before to check that everything is formatted and in order while I add in some pictures to spice up the visuals. So there are often surprises for me too.

Something in the next game (21) really made me laugh though. Then I realized that it’s now the year 2020 so maybe it’s wrong to laugh at it. That lasted about 5 seconds before I started laughing again. So it will be in there when the post goes up at 3 p.m. (MT) on Tuesday. My editorial comment about it is ---- "I don't think Reggie Dunlop was in the building during this incident, so he probably should have just stuck to playing 'Lady of Spain'".

[bobbylouie]

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Steve Tsujiora playing for the Maine Mariners when they were the Flyers' farm team
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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Love seeing the old Whalers clips. I grew up outside of Hartford and went to many games at the Civic Center. 89 was a bit before my time though--I was more 93-97.

Regardless, I always like checking the crowd as I always hope to see someone I know! That barn was (and still is) tiny and they didn't draw at all (although the box score above says 14K). In the 80s, my dad worked for an insurance company right next to the Civic Center and they had a corporate box so he went to tons of games in this era.

[Chris Biotti]

Thanks for posting these. I am thoroughly enjoying reading these every morning. It's pretty cool to see how deep teams used to be (maybe not the Whalers, though). To me, the 21-team league was the golden age of hockey.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Thanks for posting these. I am thoroughly enjoying reading these every morning. It's pretty cool to see how deep teams used to be (maybe not the Whalers, though). To me, the 21-team league was the golden age of hockey.

I'm a HUGE fan of this era. Although my personal golden NHL era is the 89 season to the 94 season. Just a great run of seasons.

PS: Cool to see another Flames fan in NC! I thought I was the only one.

[looooob]

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Steve Tsujiora playing for the Maine Mariners when they were the Flyers' farm team
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looking at these standings, Flames trucking along at a reasonable 4.5 goals for /game...the new look kings- 5.5

[bobbylouie]

FYI, today's 3pm (MT) game 22 post includes relevant info on the "how was Gary Suter perceived in those days?" question from a few days ago.

[GioforPM]

LOL at Milbury attacking the organist.

[looooob]

LOL at Milbury attacking the organist.
in reading the story now, this may be the only time I utter the statement "you know Mike Milbury may be right here"

[bobbylouie]

My mental image of it has him running up the aisle waving his shoe over his head, all the while trying to keep the beat with the song "Turning Japanese". It is a bit of a toe-tapper after all.

[bobbylouie]

Because I barely remember the incident, went back to check the Montreal Gazette in case it seems made up......

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Because I barely remember the incident, went back to check the Montreal Gazette in case it seems made up......

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Wait?! That is a different Mario Gosselin than the goalie who played for the Nords around the same time, right? I mean--I am thinking it is, but funny non the less.

[bobbylouie]

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With 5 goals in the last 9 games, Joel Otto is one of the hottest Flames
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Gary Suter and the Devils' Jamie Huscroft raise sticks during Wednesday's action'

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Bernie Nicholls enters the game with a league-leading 28 goals

[looooob]

I'm sure I have that all star ballot somewhere- not a bad team with 1 G, 3 D, 1C and 2 RW on the ballot


however Gilmour was not- no total shame in that as there are 6 HOFers on that ballot, but the other two were Mike (traded for Gilmour) Bullard, and Jimmy (started his career off great, will start busting soon) Carson

[Chris Biotti]

I'm a HUGE fan of this era. Although my personal golden NHL era is the 89 season to the 94 season. Just a great run of seasons.

PS: Cool to see another Flames fan in NC! I thought I was the only one.

Ha! Same - it's pretty hard to find a hockey fan (let alone Flames fan) in the Charlotte area. The Canes don't resonate here - they ought to change the name to the Raleigh Hurricanes.

The 90-94 Flames were great - so much promise, only to break my heart every Spring. I often wonder what went wrong . . . bad coaching (Crisp and Risebrough benefiting from Badger Bob's legacy?), giving away our veterans for nothing (Ramage, McCrimmon, Mullen?) coupled with leadership retiring (McDonald, Peplinski?) maybe too much faith in our European prospects (Priakin, Johansson, Bergvist, Forslund?), or bad drafting? Probably a little bit of each.

Oh, well it was still good hockey.

[bobbylouie]

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

BL: Any box score for the prior BoA game?

After watching that EDM/CGY clip, one thing you don't see anymore is that low ice-level glass. Pretty crazy from a security perspective when you think about it. It felt like most barns in this era had that--though I don't think the Dome did.

Also... It dawned on me that at one point in the 80s all the arenas had the team benches across from one another as opposed to the modern style you see today with them being right next to one another. I think by the '89 season every arena adapted to what we have today, right? Same with board ads. There seemed to be a few team in '89 that still went with white board (CHI and NYI come to mind). Anyone else?

Last: I'll give a plug to the YT channel that BL linked in the prior post. I discover that guy a few months ago and glad to see him make the rounds here. He pretty much has the 88-89 season covered for fights, hits and cheap shots: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrpEsLdz2L8KJNPM4u2fsG-PBaG5H7Fss

And not to steal your thunder BL, but here is the aforementioned Messier/Otto fight that took place in the 12/2 game as well: https://youtu.be/IhWmHNaT78g

[bobbylouie]

BL: Any box score for the prior BoA game?

Oversight on the missing boxscore, adding it in now

[Scroopy Noopers]

LOL at Milbury attacking the organist.

My mental image of it has him running up the aisle waving his shoe over his head, all the while trying to keep the beat with the song "Turning Japanese". It is a bit of a toe-tapper after all.

Does he have the professional hockey record of running into the stands to attack people? I would not be surprised if there were more than 2 incidents.

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

wow. The was a rough looking lineup the Nords iced that night. I consider myself to have a really deep knowledge of late 80s NHL and had to look up Dean Hopkins and David Latta.

[bobbylouie]

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

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[bobbylouie]

Is the Churla in the last picture sparring with Vernon?

I would say yes to Churla....plus, what else did he have to do but goof around at practice since he played exactly one shift in the last 7 games.

[bobbylouie]

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[Buff]

I remember that game. I didn't like it much then and I still don't.

Regarding the all-star voting... How did McKegney get so many votes? It's not like it was easy to arrange a vote ala John Scott back in those days. He wasn't some scrub but he certainly wasn't a top notch all-star.

[bobbylouie]

I think the first trick was just to get on the ballot. With only 8 slots available for each forward position, that wasn't even enough for the top line player from each of the 10 Campbell Conference teams.

Also, sorry to hear you're still harboring bad feelings about a mid-season game from 32 years ago. Then again, I'm still angry about a game from April 6, 1974, but let's not get into that.... coughBobTaylorcough. I'm assuming it would be WAY too obscure of a reference.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

I remember that game. I didn't like it much then and I still don't.

Regarding the all-star voting... How did McKegney get so many votes? It's not like it was easy to arrange a vote ala John Scott back in those days. He wasn't some scrub but he certainly wasn't a top notch all-star.

Ha! This made me laugh. Curious, what about this game in particular triggers your memory? Does seem sort of random but I can absolutely relate. Looking back on things, I'll always remember that game against Vegas a few years back where we choked up a two goal lead with like 2 mins to play--I remember just sitting on my couch staring at the screen questioning everything and asking myself "is this (stress) really worth it?".

[Buff]

Ha! This made me laugh. Curious, what about this game in particular triggers your memory? Does seem sort of random but I can absolutely relate. Looking back on things, I'll always remember that game against Vegas a few years back where we choked up a two goal lead with like 2 mins to play--I remember just sitting on my couch staring at the screen questioning everything and asking myself "is this (stress) really worth it?".

Former flame John Tonelli getting a hat trick against us? I mean, how dare he!

I don't know, I remember being mad and when I saw it in this thread I thought "Oh, this game!".

[looooob]

I remember that game. I didn't like it much then and I still don't.

Regarding the all-star voting... How did McKegney get so many votes? It's not like it was easy to arrange a vote ala John Scott back in those days. He wasn't some scrub but he certainly wasn't a top notch all-star.
looks like some classic vote splitting


Robitaille running away with it
then Simpson and Tikkanen split the EDM vote
Klima and Gallant split the Detroi(n)t vote
he only had to beat out Skriko and Ashton as it turned out


pretty lame group of choices anyways

[bobbylouie]

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

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Wow. This story about Anderson is super sad and a little shady as well. Was there more to this? Anyone have memories of this? How exactly does one 'fall asleep' in a pool?

[bobbylouie]

The only memories I have (and I assume just about anybody else has) was what was reported. The only thing I do remember is that Anderson always had a rocky relationship with the media and it sort of colored anything going on with him. It took him 13 years to get elected to the Hall Of Fame, which seems like a long time considering his credentials. The matter is addressed a little bit in this story from 2008 when he was finally elected.

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[cam_wmh]

I think the first trick was just to get on the ballot. With only 8 slots available for each forward position, that wasn't even enough for the top line player from each of the 10 Campbell Conference teams.

Also, sorry to hear you're still harboring bad feelings about a mid-season game from 32 years ago. Then again, I'm still angry about a game from April 6, 1974, but let's not get into that.... coughBobTaylorcough. I'm assuming it would be WAY too obscure of a reference.

YYC born Flyers goalie, in a 6-1 loss to Pens?

[bobbylouie]

Yeah, it cost a friend of mine an outright Vezina trophy

[Chris Biotti]

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Wow. This story about Anderson is super sad and a little shady as well. Was there more to this? Anyone have memories of this? How exactly does one 'fall asleep' in a pool?

I remember there were a whole host of rumours about Anderson - probably too salacious to repeat here - before he came out with this story. The Oilers were renowned for their partying.

[bobbylouie]

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Man, looking back on it, it's pretty crazy that teams agreed to these exhibition matchups during the middle of the season. If I remember they did them the following year as well. Does anyone remember if there were any major league-wide injuries from these games? Can you imagine if Vernon or Mullen got hurt during one of these games?

[bobbylouie]

Would need to research it for specifics but my general memory is yes.
One more recent injury that jumps out is John Tavares suffering torn knee
ligaments at the 2014 Sochi Olympics for Team Canada. I suppose it's a little
different when you're playing an extended tournament with the cachet of the
Olympics than if it happens in a truly meaningless out-of-the-blue exhibition
against a Dynamo Riga team that nobody has ever really heard of, but for
an Islanders' fan with no allegiance to Team Canada it must have felt like the
same thing.

Maybe it will come up in the remaining 12 games of this tour, I'm only
reading one game ahead when I prepare the posts and haven't looked at them in
over a decade, so I've been just as surprised when things happen too.

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

man despite the Flames being on a bit of a slide, they are so deep that they are scratching Mark Hunter who at that point in his career was a 30-40 goal man, and they are scrambling for a way to call up Fleury, all the while Lanny is sitting around too..talked about spoiled by depth! on D Ric Nattress is basically waiting to break someone's ankle so he can get some playing time

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Still can't get over how Ranheim never really panned out for us as the goal scorer he was touted to be. I think he put up around 60 goals that year for SLC. I seem to remember someone on here saying that he got hurt in the 91 season and never really regained his confidence and really became a PK guy the rest of his career.

[looooob]

Still can't get over how Ranheim never really panned out for us as the goal scorer he was touted to be. I think he put up around 60 goals that year for SLC. I seem to remember someone on here saying that he got hurt in the 91 season and never really regained his confidence and really became a PK guy the rest of his career.
I think what it shows us in part- in retrospect- is how dominant Theo was


for many of us at the time- and we see it a bit in these news clippings- we had these 2 guys tearing up the IHL, both young- one was the scorer and one was the playmaker. Heck Ranheim was the first to be called up- I remember assuming they were equivalent prospects (even if Theo was already more famous due to world juniors etc)


but looking back the age difference of 20 and 22 is actually important. Ranheim hadn't even led his college team in scoring as a senior. Ranheim was a very good prospect (and he was- 1000 NHL games played is incredible), Fleury was a special/rare prospect and drove much of the success (along with the older guys like Chernomaz who was more of a minor league veteran)

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

so we have an update here on Mark Hunter, not a healthy scratch the game before but dealing with what we would now call.....a concussion (or upper body injury)


the around the league report touches on Mario's magic 5 different goal game


Theo about to be recalled


with their listless play the Flames have fallen 6 points behind the surging Habs *spoiler it won't end this way* (yikes 5 games in hand!)

[Buff]

Still can't get over how Ranheim never really panned out for us as the goal scorer he was touted to be. I think he put up around 60 goals that year for SLC. I seem to remember someone on here saying that he got hurt in the 91 season and never really regained his confidence and really became a PK guy the rest of his career.

I seem to remember that he didn't have the same speed after his return but still did fairly well. Not as expected/hoped though. It was after Dave King became coach that Ranheim was used strictly as a defensive player and his offence completely dried up and he was no longer confident with the puck.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

so we have an update here on Mark Hunter, not a healthy scratch the game before but dealing with what we would now call.....a concussion (or upper body injury)


the around the league report touches on Mario's magic 5 different goal game


Theo about to be recalled


with their listless play the Flames have fallen 6 points behind the surging Habs *spoiler it won't end this way* (yikes 5 games in hand!)

Flames could have have an easy 6-8 extra points that season if they hadn't played down to a few of their weaker. If memory serves correct, they had so-so records against WPG, TOR, and QUE that season.

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[looooob]

LOL Vernon with 12 saves


I hadn't remember this but roster size unlimited back then? flames with 5 in the pressbox- Hrdina had been tearing up the league when he arrives but now finds himself along with Lanny as healthy scratches- top 2 lines here are how they settle in going forward. Ranheim-Fleury- Mark Hunter, not a bad 4th line eh?


wow the Nedved story. that was quite the winter

[bobbylouie]

I was starting to wonder about the roster sizes myself with so many teams carrying extra players and seemingly recalling and demoting them at will. To be honest, I don't have a true recollection of what the rules were, but I have this vague notion that the roster limit was 24 players (excluding injuries) and you had a 48-hour window to reduce the roster if you went over the number.

That would fit the Flames' scenario here where they recall Fleury to get to 25 and then demote Churla to return to 24, but it's equally likely that I'm hallucinating after 6 weeks in quarantine and imagining the whole thing.

Also, in the two hours since I posted the game 39 report, two people have private messaged me inquiring about the Theoren Fleury rookie card shown.

That card DOES NOT exist, I created it myself just for this post because I liked the picture and it worked symmetrically side-by-side with the genuine Sakic card. Call off the search party, it's not some rare, hard to find treasure.

[timun]

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Beaupre was traded by Minnesota to Washington, not the other way 'round.

[jayswin]

What an incredible thread. Nothing more to add than that.

[bobbylouie]

What an incredible thread. Nothing more to add than that.

Beaupre was traded by Minnesota to Washington, not the other way 'round.

Thanks for the comment, and also, any corrections or up-dates are really appreciated. As I've said, most of this was originally written 32 years ago, so each day (just before posting it) I proof read it just to make sure there aren't any obvious mistakes, but it's virtually impossible to notice everything. Good catch.

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[looooob]

^^ HaHa take that Healey!


A Flames Kings Morel game that ended up ok


Theo gets moved up to the Gilmour Mullen line in the 3rd and the line scores 3 goals in 10 minutes...who knew

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

These are amazing great memories , many thanks

[bobbylouie]

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Pretty sure I had both these cards. I am sure long gone to the dump. Shame.

[Buff]

Therion Fury, is that how you say it?

[bobbylouie]

close enuf, you're hired, and they're really will be an opening....eventually

[jayswin]

Ha, that "Therien Fury" was hilarious.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Wow. We had a bit of a goalie controversy brewing at this point of the season. Vernie seemed to be a bit inconsistent at this point of the year. His record was great, but the stats don't lie. He had quite a few games with 15-20 saves while allowing 3-5 goals. I have to think he gets on his hot streak over the next few weeks here, but it's funny to look back and see how well Wamsley was playing during this time.

[bobbylouie]

I have to admit to a tiny bit of satisfaction seeing a major newspaper mis-identify the goalie in the photo caption in this next game. It makes me feel less guilty about my own occasional factual error or typo in these reports that I prepared late one night in my bunker three decades ago.

[bobbylouie]

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Alright... I don’t like Edmonton, but that photo of Ranford is kick ass.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Wait! No one is going to mention the picture from the prior EDM game that had MacTavish with a helmet on!? Anyone know the story behind that? I thought he always went helmetless?

[bobbylouie]

Wait! No one is going to mention the picture from the prior EDM game that had MacTavish with a helmet on!? Anyone know the story behind that? I thought he always went helmetless?


Here's the AP story from 1997 upon MacTavish's retirement that covers that (see the last paragraph) ....

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As an aside, and I'm searching for the video of this, during the original run of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire with Regis Philbin, the March 1, 2000 episode featured a contestant who won $64,000 for answering the following question:

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[bobbylouie]

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Two of Nieuwendyk's 5 goals are shown in his Forever A Flame tribute
in the following video clip starting at about 2:25

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Plenty of confusion here on the first goal as none of the announcers notice that Andrew McBain actually shoots the puck while Hawerchuk is fumbling around

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[CliffFletcher]

One note:

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Beaupre was traded by Minnesota to Washington, not the other way 'round.

It's remarkable how common trades were back then. More significant hockey trades in Nov-Dec of '88 than there were in the entirety of the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.

[Buff]

Being a young Nieuwendyk fan at that time I remember that game well. I even recall talking about the game the next day with my friend. Obviously because of the big moment this game is easier to remember, but I'm surprised at how many games this season that I recall.

Also, isn't this the 2nd time that Berezan was displeased with his playing time? At least the 2nd time it was mentioned in the media.

[bobbylouie]

It's remarkable how common trades were back then. More significant hockey trades in Nov-Dec of '88 than there were in the entirety of the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.


No salary cap restrictions (maximum or minimum) almost certainly = more freedom to do what you want with the roster, including on a silly whim

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

l.

Also, isn't this the 2nd time that Berezan was displeased with his playing time? At least the 2nd time it was mentioned in the media.

Yep, and as we all know he eventually gets shipped at to Minny--I'm trying not to check when but I think it's pretty soon. Berezan was an interesting player. I think he'd thrive in today's NHL as a solid bottom six guy who could kill penalties, but in the late 80s that type of player wasn't valued nearly as much. Don't quote me on this, but isn't Berezan still pretty active with the Flames alumni? So I don't believe there is any bad blood. Also do not quote me on this either, but I think he actually got a SC ring from the team as well.

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

Berezan played for the first time in a while, and was traded to the Stars 6 weeks later....nowadays people would say he was being showcased

[bobbylouie]

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[Manhattanboy]

Ron McLean with Lanny and Wayne Gretzky watching Game 6 of the 89 finals now on SN.

[bobbylouie]

You forgot to say spoiler alert

[MrMike]

I just want to say thank you and how awesome to have this all archived in one place will be.

For someone like me who was only 1 when this season was happening it's really interesting to learn about.

[bobbylouie]

Do we know for sure it actually is being archived? Even though I have all the individual pieces easily accessible in a folder, I can't imagine another scenario where I'd put it all together again over a period of time like this.

[bobbylouie]

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[dirk diggler]

Watching these old games has been really interesting. forgot how much clutching and grabbing there was. Watching the SCF game 6, if this was todays game, there would be constant fights as todays game there is no hitting without having to fight afterwards. Dont like the clutching and grabbing back then, it was way too much but the physical play would be nice in todays game.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Lindros = BIG
Big = GOOD

[jayswin]

Again, this stuff is just so cool.

[Party Elephant]

I love looking through the other teams' lineups and seeing familiar names. Detroit had I think 4 future NHL coaches or executives (Yzerman, Gallant, MacLean, Nill)

[jayswin]

I love looking through the other teams' lineups and seeing familiar names. Detroit had I think 4 future NHL coaches or executives (Yzerman, Gallant, MacLean, Nill)

Oddly enough my favorite part is seeing screenshots of specific games with old teams and jerseys.

[Buff]

I like looking at the scoring leaders and seeing several players pacing to have well over 100 points.

[Sylvanfan]

Pretty sure I had both these cards. I am sure long gone to the dump. Shame.

I still have mine. 2 of each. I remember buying one of the Fleury ones for $1.50 off a guy who really wanted a bag of chips at long break in Junior high one day. No idea if a hockey card is even worth that much anymore. But it's a collectible, and has a story, so for me it's worth the money I spent.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

I like looking at the scoring leaders and seeing several players pacing to have well over 100 points.

Yep, agreed. Love seeing it from a cumulative perspective as well as it's always fun to see who slowed down or heated up. I know Nicholls had a great year in '89 but I didn't realize he was pretty much neck and neck with Gretz that year. I think when all said and done, The Great One had about 18 point on him. Don't know if you frequent hockey-reference at all, but there is actually a Cumulative Games feature on their Play-Index site--really cool feature once you get the gist of it.

I will also plug this thread as well. This is easily one of the threads of the year, and it's a shame that more folks aren't seeing it here. The materials being shared here are some that I didn't even realize existed anymore. From an archival perspective, IMO, hockey is severely lacking. I mean, finding historic boxscores was nearly impossible to do up to 2-3 years ago.

[CSharp]

Lindros = BIG
Big = GOOD

Scott Stevens says E=NG!:D

[bobbylouie]

Thanks for the comments. It was interesting to hear how people are enjoying different aspects of the posts.

As I'm looking at the material and prepping it for today's post, it's clear from a note in this upcoming game that a bit of giddiness was setting in (then and now) as the long road trip continued and the season and this thread approaches game 50. However, I decided to leave it in and I have to admit, that as much as I appreciate the current comments, I would trample over the top of some of you for one of those hot dogs right now.

Game 47 at the top of the hour as usual.

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

bit of an LOL on the all star voting, but the Flames issue is pretty obvious- they have the 87-88 and 88-89 first team all star RWs splitting votes- mind you combine them and you still don't get Kurri..and then dmen 3-5 in the voting- that was a classic vote split there. oh well go LA and EDM I guess


man that fleury is just the cure for what ails people eh? Hunter and Hrdina had both been struggling off and on- now they line up with Theo and there's 4 goals for Mark Hunter

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

I was at the next game, looking forward to reading all about it:)

[TheScorpion]

This stuff is all fantastic.

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

I had forgot that Roy didn't play that game and that was sort of the asterisk placed next to what was otherwise a pretty nice statement win for the Flames


Troutman won't be surprised that the PPs tipped in MTLs favour:D

[agulati]

Is there a good source of watching complete classic games and series?

Man, I miss NHL vault that was out there during the lockout I think.

[jayswin]

That is so cool that Montreal was all in on a bid for an NFL team back then. Literally didn't know that until this thread.

[bobbylouie]

That is so cool that Montreal was all in on a bid for an NFL team back then. Literally didn't know that until this thread.

I could do some research and dig deep to see how far it legitimately got ...... or I could probably just guess

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

some interesting stuff here


Macoun's dizzy spells suffered in Montreal officially called a concussion (not an highly diagnosed condition back then)


Mention of Carey Wilson's hot streak- I can attest to this- I grabbed him in the last round of a hockey pool that year (and Sandstrom was my 2nd last pick) once Wilson was traded from Hartford to New York those 2 guys were put on the same line and were very productive- helped win me some $$


eesh I forgot how far off the 500 pace Lanny was at this point- he did kick it into gear to end his career


and yes of course while its nice the Flames had some added players, no surprise old Slats isn't going to be too generous. why add the reigning ROY Nieuwendyk- on pace for another big season on the league's top team when you've got Jimmy Carson and an injured Denis Savard to look after

[bobbylouie]

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[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

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yeah I was thinking the same thing, the strength of that draft was generally European....although really not the best draft through and through...unless you were the Detroit Red Wings:eek:

[Buff]

I don't remember that particular story about Probert and was surprised to see Yzerman's comments. They definitely hurt Probert's reputation (even though they're telling the truth) but it isn't anything you would ever hear from another player these days.

[bobbylouie]

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[jayswin]

I don't remember that particular story about Probert and was surprised to see Yzerman's comments. They definitely hurt Probert's reputation (even though they're telling the truth) but it isn't anything you would ever hear from another player these days.

Yeah, way different PR situation now a days with teams tightly run on what gets said and by who. Teams now shield problem players from public criticism from within as much as possible to avoid lowering trade value.

Back then it was just "Yeah, so this guy sucks and is hard to be on a team with so we're going to try to trade him", lol.

[bobbylouie]

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Cheveldae lookin' like Chris Osgood in that video! I always sort of lump Chev and Bob Essensa together as two goalies who came up around the same time and had pretty good runs only to be traded for one another and then really fall off the map. They might be two really good examples of the last of that 80s style goalie to come up only to get fully exposed in the Brodeur/Hasek mid 90s era.

Also, Probert, Oates and Klima to Edmonton for Jimmy Carson! Wow. That would have been an amazing deal for the Oil.

[looooob]

Also, Probert, Oates and Klima to Edmonton for Jimmy Carson! Wow. That would have been an amazing deal for the Oil.
its pretty interesting because Carson was eventually dealt to Detroit for Klima and the 'other ' Adam (Graves) as well as Murphy....and Oates too was dealt by Detroit that offeseason in a dud deal for Federko


and the guy who seemed to be at the center of it all- Probert- didn' t he stay in Detroit for another 3 or 4 years?

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

huh, not sure why I don't remember Kevan Guy as a Canuck, despite the fact he actually played more for them than the Flames and appeared in one 89 playoff game


don't recall all of those shenanigans (the delays on both sides I guess) with the Ramage suspension

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

oh Tony Gallagher....


I mean I understand that there is some truth to what was being written- given that Lanny' s last year was painful at times, but the line about Lanny having to pay for the cup with his dignity maybe didn't quite come to pass , what with him both scoring his 500th and scoring on the fateful May night at the forum :D


and does this sound familiar...."for the 7th straight time the Flames surrendered the first goal..."

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Awesome shot if Patter in that prior game against Vancouver. I'm sure he'd love to see that now! I didn't know this previously, but after watching the '89 Game 6 YT video featuring Patter; and also the Game 6 Sportsnet video with Ron Mclean, Gretz, and Lanny; that Patter's stick was an absolute tree trunk and weighed a ton. Sounds like the boys chirped him a lot for it back then, and still do!

[bobbylouie]

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[bobbylouie]

A while back, a fellow CP'er informed me that he had several full game videos
of the 1988-89 season. I recently received them and on this Friday morning
have likely gotten in way over my head trying to edit them into a
presentable 10 minute or so package.

There's about a hundred ways (that I've thought of so far) that this
could go spectacularly wrong, but sometime in the next few hours I
will try to upload the first game I am working on, which was
game 46 from Tuesday, January 17, the 7-1 win over Detroit.

This oughta be interesting.

p.s. The person who sent me the videos didn't say they wanted to be
identified here, so I'll say thank you in a private e-mail, but feel free to
out yourself if you're so inclined.

[bobbylouie]

So here it is, first try.
Game 46 Video Highlights
Calgary at Detroit
I added the scoreboard thing to help fill the wide screen

Comments appreciated.

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

A while back, a fellow CP'er informed me that he had several full game videos
of the 1988-89 season. I recently received them and on this Friday morning
have likely gotten in way over my head trying to edit them into a
presentable 10 minute or so package.

There's about a hundred ways (that I've thought of so far) that this
could go spectacularly wrong, but sometime in the next few hours I
will try to upload the first game I am working on, which was
game 46 from Tuesday, January 17, the 7-1 win over Detroit.

This oughta be interesting.

p.s. The person who sent me the videos didn't say they wanted to be
identified here, so I'll say thank you in a private e-mail, but feel free to
out yourself if you're so inclined.

BRAVO! This thread keeps getting better and better. I would love to see those full game vids. Trying to see if I have anything at my house that I could contribute. It's too bad because I've got the entire volume of Hockey News for the 88-89 season at my parents house, that would be cool to somehow contribute.

[Buff]

So, the All-Star game was on a Tuesday!

I had forgotten about that. I now remember a couple of times as a kid watching the all-star game and it was indeed a school night. I recall one particular game in the mid 80s being sick and staying home from school but watching the all-star game that night all bundled up.

[Buff]

So here it is, first try.
Game 46 Video Highlights
Calgary at Detroit
I added the scoreboard thing to help fill the wide screen

Comments appreciated.

1o1Gpy5iofA

Oh, man. As years go by you remember how good some players were but don't always truly remember until you relive them with vids. Yzerman was quite slick in his early years!

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[bobbylouie]

There will be a second post later today (Sunday) with a new video highlight package ---- Game 53, Tuesday, January 31, 1989, Flames at Los Angeles.

I’ll wait until 9:00 eastern / 7:00 mountain before I put it up so that the 12 people who look at this thread every day don’t overdose.

[Buff]

There was a game. I don't remember the year but it was against Pittsburgh and I'm certain the goalie was Wendell Young. However in a game against the Flames, presumably Young came out to the faceoff dot to play a dumped puck and as he pulled it back to wind up for a long lead pass he lost the puck and it went in the net.

Does anybody remember that?

[bobbylouie]

January 10, 1992
Pittsburgh 5 at Calgary 7

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[Party Elephant]

There will be a second post later today (Sunday) with a new video highlight package ---- Game 53, Tuesday, January 31, 1989, Flames at Los Angeles.

I’ll wait until 9:00 eastern / 7:00 mountain before I put it up so that the 12 people who look at this thread every day don’t overdose.

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[bobbylouie]

I’ll make my comments before the video appears so that it remains as a stand alone post.
These are my 4 take-aways after assembling the latest clips:

1. The Ron Duguay incident in the opening minute was frightening, especially in slow-motion, reminiscent of the Bill Masterton tragedy 21 years earlier,

2. Theoren Fleury’s goal was pretty spectacular, showing an incredible amount of finesse and touch

3. Tom Laidlaw looks like he got voted off the island again, twice

and most importantly.....

4. For a big-time, established TV personality with a gazillion dollars and promoting a new show, Pat Sajak sure had pretty shi**y seats

[bobbylouie]

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[looooob]

jan 31 and 2nd year player Joe Nieuwendyk has 40 goals


rookie Theoren Fleury- playing with a couple of old goats, is scoring beauties


boy it was easy to be a fan of this team at this point (although still assuming something bad would eventually happen..)


and how about that Murzyn pass on the Loob goal ?:D

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

January 10, 1992
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My god--BL, you must be sitting on a historic Flames gold mine. For instance, if I just randomly asked, "Does anyone remember that game in '94 when Andrei Trefilov came out of nowhere and stopped 50ish shots at MSG? Yeah, that was cool but do we know who the dressed backup was for the Flames that night? And, damn, anyone remember who the linesmen were for that game?" I assume you would just go to your archive and pull that game report?

[bobbylouie]

When you can provide that many hints, it's not that hard.

It's when people say stuff like, "does anybody remember the game that I went to when I was a kid and Terry Sawchuk
waved to the crowd and I spilled mustard on my shirt?" That's when it gets tricky.

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

When you can provide that many hints, it's not that hard.

It's when people say stuff like, "does anybody remember the game that I went to when I was a kid and Terry Sawchuk
waved to the crowd and I spilled mustard on my shirt?" That's when it gets tricky.

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Ha! Amazing!! Thanks brother. I could play this game all day, but I won't :D

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[looooob]

well one thing never changes, complaining about beer prices, in this instance 3 dollars

[jayswin]

Amazing watching Gretzky in those highlights love seeing raw footage highlights of him playing his prime.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Another lost point revealed, this time for Killer. BL, any chance you have the game footage for this one? Would love to see the play in question. Surprised this was never fixed as the box score even had an assist to Gilmour on that Patterson goal.

Things like this make you wonder how many lost points there have been over the years. I specifically think to the '89 season and Mario finishing with 199 points. I'm sure at some point during the year he was probably robbed of a point that would have given him a nice even 200.

On a separate note, every time Wamsley plays I keep thinking we'll see him in his new mask. Or am I a year off? I feel like in every image I've seen of Gump playing for CGY he's always been in the Flames colored mask--but per this thread, every game he's played in so far, he's still wearing the white mask.

[bobbylouie]

ECFF,

I’m going to drift into dangerous territory here ---- relying on my memory from 31 years ago rather than anything fact-based or backed up by a video clip. Although I wrote “Gilmour clearly pounced on” and it looked that way in real time to the point where they gave an assist in the arena and I followed up with “a clerical assist might have cost him”.......there’s something way in the deep recesses telling me that either Gilmour admitted he never touched the puck after the game (he rode Ellett off the puck and Patterson picked it up and shot it on his own) or we just noticed it when we checked afterwards out of curiosity (and the scorer did the same thing).

Very much like the video in post #167 of this thread where it appears Hawerchuk scored and the announcer goes on about it, but in reality Andrew McBain shoots the puck.

I just checked and the collector here who has over 50 full-game video of this season unfortunately doesn’t have this game on his list, so we might never find out. If I had to guess though, Gilmour probably didn’t get cheated on this one, not to say that never happened in other cases, especially in the pre-10 camera angles of every play days.

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[FlatLandFlamesFan]

Interesting to see how D. Sanderson had gone to the the league and PA ,as early as 84/85 looking to set up help for players with alcoholism.
But was "stonewalled" sad could have changed many lives in those days and the days to come.
and Cherry being Cherry

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Another lost point revealed, this time for Killer. BL, any chance you have the game footage for this one? Would love to see the play in question. Surprised this was never fixed as the box score even had an assist to Gilmour on that Patterson goal.

Things like this make you wonder how many lost points there have been over the years. I specifically think to the '89 season and Mario finishing with 199 points. I'm sure at some point during the year he was probably robbed of a point that would have given him a nice even 200.

On a separate note, every time Wamsley plays I keep thinking we'll see him in his new mask. Or am I a year off? I feel like in every image I've seen of Gump playing for CGY he's always been in the Flames colored mask--but per this thread, every game he's played in so far, he's still wearing the white mask.

Ha, well it looks like I was a game off as it seems that Wamsley debuted his 'new' mask for this tilt against Boston.

Didn't realize there were Mark Hunter rumors floating around that season. I can't say I'm surprised as he never really seemed to fit in the CGY lineup. Again, I think he would have flourished in the Patterson role on that line with Killer and Mullen. Any ideas on what a possible return from Boston would have been? Probably a 1 for 1 swap. Janney? Glen Wesley? Randy Burridge?

Bruce Shoebottom is up there for one of the all-time great names in NHL history. If I remember he was big, mean and tough as nails but lacked any real hockey skill (ah, such is life in the NHL during the late 80s and early 90s).

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[zukes]

Loving this bobbylouie. I am sure way more people are reading this than you think. I was only 11-12 when this season happened and I am surprised at how much I remember, but also how uch I have forgotten. For example, as a kid, I knew every pretty much every player in the NHL, knew their jersey numbers and stats. At restaurants I would quiz my parents (ugh, that must have been soooo annoying).

I do not remember Steve Guenette. Very strange since I really followed goalies.

Anyway, thanks so much for doing this. I look forward to reading every day!

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Loving this bobbylouie. I am sure way more people are reading this than you think. I was only 11-12 when this season happened and I am surprised at how much I remember, but also how uch I have forgotten. For example, as a kid, I knew every pretty much every player in the NHL, knew their jersey numbers and stats. At restaurants I would quiz my parents (ugh, that must have been soooo annoying).

I do not remember Steve Guenette. Very strange since I really followed goalies.

Anyway, thanks so much for doing this. I look forward to reading every day!

I would agree. The entire board is a bit quieter than normal (understandably so). Regarding Guenette: he's always sort of been an enigma to me as he was the 3rd stringer on a stacked team. I know he got some official GP with CGY in '90 and '91, I didn't realize he actually was called up and 'dressed' in '89. I've also never seen him in that mask above either. Sort of looks like the one Vernie wore in 93 and 94.

[looooob]

From the game notes
1. Theoren Fleury has had his "you've made the team' moment- clearly a formality but worth noting


2. I really didn't remember how tight Lanny had left things 7 goals down with 18 games to go- he had to score at a 30+ pace to finish this out- pay attention James Neal!!!!!


3. Wow Flames 34-0-2 with the lead going into the 3rd. those kind of stats became commonplace in the 'dead puck' era..but I would think this was highly unusual in the 80s

[Buff]

Loving this bobbylouie. I am sure way more people are reading this than you think. I was only 11-12 when this season happened and I am surprised at how much I remember, but also how uch I have forgotten. For example, as a kid, I knew every pretty much every player in the NHL, knew their jersey numbers and stats. At restaurants I would quiz my parents (ugh, that must have been soooo annoying).

I do not remember Steve Guenette. Very strange since I really followed goalies.

Anyway, thanks so much for doing this. I look forward to reading every day!

My friend and I would say he had the perfect name for a goalie because he's Good-in-net. Yeah... we were young and lame then too!

[GioforPM]

Joel Otto’s 6’3” 201 lbs looked monstrous on the ice back then.

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