View Full Version : [GDT] The 2020 Trade Deadline!!! No trades past 1:00 PM Mountain!
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 12:00 AM
Welcome one, welcome all to one of the best days of the hockey season: the trade deadline! Today, we'll likely see a flurry of activity as teams do all they can to either stock up for the playoffs or sell for the draft. Or, if they're in the mushy middle, they can... do nothing. Exciting!
As a reminder, TDL coverage can be found on both Sportsnet and TSN starting very early in the morning (around 8 AM last I checked? someone please work to confirm) and going until around an hour after the 1:00 PM MT deadline!
One more note: yes, trades can be processed after the deadline! There is a common misconception that this is not the case but it happens almost every year! The only restriction on making trades after the deadline? The players involved cannot participate in the playoffs. Pretty big caveat. A player has to be on a team's reserve list or its roster at the deadline to be eligible to play in the big dance.
This is my fifth year making one of these GDTs and this time, I'm going to take a bit of a different approach. Instead of just making a list of the Top 50 available targets, I'm going to be looking at each team individually and assess their top trade targets and their needs!
Oh, but I'll still be creating a Top 50 list, because screw it.
But before all that, here are some supplementary resources.
Supplementary resources:
CapFriendly's Trade Tracker (https://www.capfriendly.com/trades)
The TSN Trade Bait List (https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-list-1.203546)
Elliotte Friedman on Twitter (https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC)
Bob McKenzie on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie)
Pierre LeBrun on Twitter (https://twitter.com/PierreVLebrun)
Darren Dreger on Twitter (https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger)
Chris Johnston on Twitter (https://twitter.com/reporterchris)
Without further ado, here's the Top 50 targets.
Top 50 on the block:
Bolded players have been traded
Chris Kreider (NYR) | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $4.625 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 GP, 24 G, 45 P
Taylor Hall (ARI) | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $3 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | pending UFA | 60 GP, 15 G, 50 P
Kyle Palmieri (NJ) | Right wing | Age 29 | Shoots right | $4.65 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 57 GP, 22 G, 42 P
Vincent Trocheck (FLA) | Centre | Age 26 | Shoots right | $4.75 million AAV | UFA 2022 | 55 GP, 10 G, 36 P
Traded to CAR for Erik Haula, Lucas Wallmark, and two prospects
Jean-Gabriel Pageau (OTT) | Centre | Age 27 | Shoots right | $3.1 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 GP, 24 G, 40 P
Traded to NYI for a 2020 1st, a 2020 2nd, and a 2022 3rd
Matt Dumba (MIN) | Defense | Age 25 | Shoots right | $6 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 60 GP, 4 G, 21 P
Mike Hoffman (FLA) | Right wing | Age 30 | Shoots left | $5.1875 million AAV | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 24 G, 51 P
Robin Lehner (CHI) | Goalie | Age 28 | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 33 GP, 16-10-5, .918 SV%
Traded to VGK for Malcolm Subban, a 2nd, and a pospect
T.J. Brodie (CGY) | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots left | $4.6504 million AAV | Pending UFA | 57 GP, 1 G, 16 P
Mikael Granlund (NSH) | Right wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $5.75 million AAV | Pending UFA | 55 GP, 15 G, 26 P
Tomas Tatar (MTL) | Right wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $4.5 million AAV (incl. 9.5% ret.) | UFA 2021 | 64 GP, 21 G, 55 P
Henrik Lundqvist (NYR) | Goalie | Age 37 | $8.5 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 28 GP, 10-11-3, .907 SV%
Jonathan Drouin (MTL) | Forward | Age 24 | Shoots left | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 27 GP, 7 G, 15 P
Jonas Brodin (MIN) | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.17 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 60 GP, 2 G, 24 P
Andreas Athanasiou (DET) | Centre | Age 25 | Shoots left | $3 million AAV | Pending RFA | 46 GP, 10 G, 24 P
Traded to EDM with Ryan Kuffner for Sam Gagner and 2 2nds
Kasperi Kapanen (TOR) | Right wing | Age 23 | Shoots right | $3.2 million AAV | RFA 2022 | 62 GP, 12 G, 35 P
Brandon Saad (CHI) | Left wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $6 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 49 GP, 18 G, 28 P
Nick Bonino (NSH) | Centre | Age 31 | Shoots left | $4.1 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 59 GP, 17 G, 34 P
Jeff Petry (MTL) | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots right | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 64 GP, 9 G, 37 P
Sami Vatanen (NJ) | Defense | Age 28 | Shoots right | $4.875 million AAV | Pending UFA | 47 GP, 5 G, 23 P
Traded to CAR for Janne Kuokkanen and a 2nd
Tyson Barrie (TOR) | Defense | Age 28 | Shoots right | $2.75 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 63 GP, 5 G, 35 P
Sam Bennett (CGY) | Forward | Age 23 | Shoots left | $2.55 million AAV | RFA 2021 | 45 GP, 8 G, 12 P
Colin Miller (BUF) | Defense | Age 27 | Shoots right | $3.875 million AAV | UFA 2022 | 46 GP, 1 G, 11 P
Travis Hamonic (CGY) | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots right | $3.86 million AAV | Pending UFA | 50 GP, 3 G, 12 P
Erik Gustafsson (CHI) | Defense | Age 27 | Shoots left | $1.2 million AAV | Pending UFA | 59 GP, 6 G, 26 P
Traded to CGY for a 3rd[/b]
Craig Smith (NSH) | Right wing | Age 30 | Shoots right | $4.25 million AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 17 G, 28 P
Patrick Marleau (SJ) | Right wing | Age 40 | Shoots left | $700k AAV | Pending UFA | 58 GP, 10 G, 20 P
[i]Traded to Pittsburgh for a 3rd
Joe Thornton (SJ) | Centre | Age 40 | Shoots left | $2 million AAV | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 4 G, 27 P
Vladislav Namestnikov (OTT) | Right wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $3.25 million AAV (incl. 20% ret.) | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 13 G, 25 P
Traded to Colorado for a 2021 4th
Alex Galchenyuk (MIN) | Forward | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 6 G, 20 P
Ryan Miller (ANA) | Goalie | Age 39 | $1.125 million AAV | Pending UFA | 19 GP, 7-6-3, .907 SV%
Tyler Ennis (OTT) | Centre | Age 30 | Shoots left | $800k AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 14 G, 33 P
Traded to EDM for a 2021 5th
Derek Grant (ANA) | Centre | Age 29 | Shoots left | $700k AAV | Pending UFA | 49 GP, 14 G, 20 P
Traded to Philadelphia for Kyle Criscuolo and a 4th
Brandon Montour (BUF) | Defense | Age 24 | Shoots right | $3.3875 million AAV | Pending RFA | 47 GP, 5 G, 17 P
Wayne Simmonds (NJ) | Right wing | Age 31 | Shoots right | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 8 G, 24 P
Traded to Buffalo for a conditional 5th
Michael Grabner (ARI) | Right wing | Age 32 | Shoots left | $3.35 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 45 GP, 8 G, 11 P
Tyson Jost (COL) | Centre | Age 21 | Shoots left | $885.8k AAV | Pending RFA | 58 GP, 5 G, 16 P
Jesse Puljujarvi (EDM) | Right wing | Age 21 | Shoots right | Unsigned RFA | 49 Finnish GP, 21 G, 49 P
Rocco Grimaldi (NSH) | Right wing | Age 26 | Shoots right | $1 million AAV | Pending UFA | 58 GP, 10 G, 30 P
Zemgus Girgensons (BUF) | Centre | Age 26 | Shoots left | $1.6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 11 G, 16 P
Conor Sheary (BUF) | Left wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 9 G, 19 P
Traded to PIT with Evan Rodrigues for Dominik Kahun
Jesper Fast (NYR) | Right wing | Age 28 | Shoots right | $1.85 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 GP, 11 G, 27 P
Corey Crawford (CHI) | Goalie | Age 35 | $6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 31 GP, 11-16-3, .915 SV%
Chris Tierney (OTT) | Centre | Age 25 | Shoots left | $2.9375 million AAV | Pending RFA | 62 GP, 10 G, 30 P
Jimmy Vesey (BUF) | Left wing | Age 26 | Shoots left | $2.275 million AAV | Pending UFA | 57 GP, 9 G, 19 P
Ben Hutton (LA) | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots left | $1.5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 58 GP, 4 G, 11 P
Ron Hainsey (OTT) | Defense | Age 38 | Shoots left | $3.5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 55 GP, 1 G, 11 P
Aaron Dell (SJ) | Goalie | Age 30 | $1.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 30 GP, 12-13-2, .909 SV%
Craig Anderson (OTT) | Goalie | Age 38 | $4.75 million AAV | 29 GP, 9-14-2, .901 SV%
Michael Frolik (BUF) | Right wing | Age 32 | Shoots left | $4.3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 6 G, 13 P
Much more to come. Stay tuned.
Notables dealt in February before TDL day:
Mike Green (DET to EDM) | Defense | Age 34 | Shoots right | $2.6875 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 48 GP, 3 G, 11 P
Traded for Kyle Brodziak and a conditional 2020 4th
Ilya Kovalchuk (MTL to WSH) | Left wing | Age 36 | Shoots left | $350k AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 39 GP, 9 G, 22 P
Traded for a 2020 3rd
Cody Eakin (VGK to WPG) | Centre | Age 28 | Shoots left | $3.85 million AAV | Pending UFA | 42 GP, 4 G, 10 P
Traded for a conditional 2021 4th
Ondrej Kase (ANA to BOS) | Right wing | Age 24 | Shoots right | $2.6 million AAV | RFA 2021 | 49 GP, 7 G, 23 P
Traded for David Backes, a 2020 1st, and Axel Andersson
David Backes (BOS to ANA) | Right Wing | Age 35 | Shoots right | $4.5 million AAV (incl. 25% ret.) | UFA 2021 | 16 GP, 1 G, 3 P
Traded with a 2020 1st and Axel Andersson for Ondrej Kase
Denis Malgin (FLA to TOR) | Centre | Age 23 | Shoots right | $750k AAV | Pending UFA | 38 GP, 4 G, 12 P
Traded for Mason Marchment
Alec Martinez (LA to VGK) | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots left | $4 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 44 GP, 3 G, 12 P
Traded for a 2nd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021
Brenden Dillon (SJ to WSH) | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots left | $1.635 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 1 G, 14 P
Traded for a 2020 2nd and a conditional 2021 3rd
Marco Scandella (MTL to STL) | Defense | Age 30 | Shoots left | $2 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 53 GP, 4 G, 12 P
Traded for a 2020 2nd and a conditional 2021 4th
Dylan DeMelo (OTT to WPG) | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots right | $900k AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 0 G, 10 P
Traded for a 2020 3rd
Blake Coleman (NJ to TB) | Centre | Age 28 | Shoots left | $1.8 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 59 GP, 21 G, 31 P
Traded for Nolan Foote and a 2020 1st
Andy Greene (NJ to NYI) | Defense | Age 37 | Shoots left | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 2 G, 13 P
Traded for David Quenneville and a 2021 2nd
Tyler Toffoli (LA to VAN) | Right wing | Age 28 | Shoots right | $4.6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 G, 20 G, 38 P
Traded for Tim Schaller, Tyler Madden, a 2020 2nd, and a conditional 2022 4th
Jason Zucker (MIN to PIT) | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 52 GP, 17 G, 34 P
Traded for Alex Galchenyuk, Calen Addison, and a 2020 1st
Alex Galchenyuk (PIT to MIN) | Forward | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 6 G, 20 P
Traded with Calen Addison and a 2020 1st for Jason Zucker
Jack Campbell (LA to TOR) | Goalie | Age 28 | $675k AAV ($1.65 million AAV beginning 2020-21) | UFA 2022 | 24 GP, 11-10-3, .904 SV%
Traded with Kyle Clifford for Trevor Moore, a 2020 3rd, and a conditional 2021 2nd
Kyle Clifford (LA to TOR) | Left wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $800k AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 7 G, 16 P
Traded with Jack Campbell for Trevor Moore, a 2020 3rd, and a conditional 2021 2nd
List of trades on Deadline Day:
OTT trades Vladislav Namestnikov to COL for 2021 4th
OTT trades Jean-Gabriel Pageau to NYI for 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, and cond. 2022 3rd
FLA trades Vincent Trocheck to CAR for Erik Haula, Lucas Wallmark, and two prospects
MTL trades Nate Thompson to FLA for a 2021 5th
SJ trades Patrick Marleau to PIT for a 3rd
TOR trades Michael Hutchinson to COL for Calle Rosen
ANA trades Derek Grant to PHI for Kyle Criscuolo and a 4th
NJ trades Wayne Simmonds to BUF for a conditional 5th
ANA trades Nick Ritchie to BOS for Danton Heinen
DET trades Andreas Athanasiou and Ryan Kuffner to EDM for Sam Gagner and 2 2nds
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 12:00 AM
A brief look at every team
Note -- Flames are the only team not behind spoiler tags. If there were no spoiler tags, this post would be hilariously long! But please read the rest of the teams' descriptions as well, they're pretty detailed and informative!
CALGARY FLAMES
70 points, 4th Pacific (1st WC)
Status:
probably buyers, but who knows?
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
9. T.J. Brodie | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots left | $4.6504 million AAV | Pending UFA | 57 GP, 1 G, 16 P
22. Sam Bennett | Forward | Age 23 | Shoots left | $2.55 million AAV | RFA 2021 | 45 GP, 8 G, 12 P
24. Travis Hamonic | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots right | $3.86 million AAV | Pending UFA | 50 GP, 3 G, 12 P
NR. Mark Jankowski | Centre | Age 25 | Shoots left | $1.675 million AAV | Pending RFA | 48 GP, 5 G, 7 P
NR. Austin Czarnik | Right wing | Age 27 | Shoots right | $1.25 million AAV | Pending UFA | 8 GP, 2 G, 3 P
Team needs:
- Right wingers
- Draft picks
- Defensive depth
ANAHEIM DUCKS
7th Pacific, 56 points (14 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sellers
Already traded:
Ondrej Kase (to BOS) | Right wing | Age 24 | Shoots right | $2.6 million AAV | RFA 2021 | 49 GP, 7 G, 23 P
Already acquired:
David Backes (from BOS) | Right Wing | Age 35 | Shoots right | $4.5 million AAV (incl. 25% ret.) | UFA 2021 | 16 GP, 1 G, 3 P
On the block:
31. Ryan Miller | Goalie | Age 39 | $1.125 million AAV | Pending UFA | 19 GP, 7-6-3, .907 SV%
33. Derek Grant | Centre | Age 29 | Shoots left | $700k AAV | Pending UFA | 49 GP, 14 G, 20 P
NR. Michael Del Zotto | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots left | $750k AAV | Pending UFA | 40 GP, 2 G, 12 P
Team needs:
- Draft picks
- Forward prospects
ARIZONA COYOTES
5th Pacific, 70 points (2nd WC)
Status:
on the fence in the mushy middle of the poor Pacific
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
2. Taylor Hall | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $3 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | pending UFA | 60 GP, 15 G, 50 P
36. Michael Grabner | Right wing | Age 32 | Shoots left | $3.35 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 45 GP, 8 G, 11 P
NR. Christian Fischer | Right wing | Age 22 | Shoots right | $821.6k | pending RFA | 55 GP, 6 G, 9 P
Team needs:
- Scoring
- An extension for Taylor Hall
- Skill at centre
BOSTON BRUINS
1st Atlantic, 90 points
Status:
buy buy buy!
Already traded:
David Backes (to ANA) | Right Wing | Age 35 | Shoots right | $4.5 million AAV (incl. 25% ret.) | UFA 2021 | 16 GP, 1 G, 3 P
Already acquired:
Ondrej Kase (from ANA) | Right wing | Age 24 | Shoots right | $2.6 million AAV | RFA 2021 | 49 GP, 7 G, 23 P
On the block:
NR. Zachary Senyshyn | Right wing | Age 22 | Shoots right | $863.3k AAV | Pending RFA | 34 AHL GP, 4 G, 11 P
NR. Brett Ritchie | Right wing | Age 26 | Shoots right | $1 million AAV | Pending RFA | 27 GP, 2 G, 6 P
Team needs:
- Depth
- Some insurance on defense
- An extension for Torey Krug
BUFFALO SABRES
5th Atlantic, 66 points (8 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sell everything that isn't bolted down
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
23. Colin Miller | Defense | Age 27 | Shoots right | $3.875 million AAV | UFA 2022 | 46 GP, 1 G, 11 P
34. Brandon Montour | Defense | Age 24 | Shoots right | $3.3875 million AAV | Pending RFA | 47 GP, 5 G, 17 P
40. Zemgus Girgensons | Centre | Age 26 | Shoots left | $1.6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 11 G, 16 P
41. Conor Sheary | Left wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 9 G, 19 P
45. Jimmy Vesey | Left wing | Age 26 | Shoots left | $2.275 million AAV | Pending UFA | 57 GP, 9 G, 19 P
50. Michael Frolik | Right wing | Age 32 | Shoots left | $4.3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 6 G, 13 P
NR. Evan Rodrigues | Centre | Age 26 | Shoots right | $1.6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 38 GP, 5 G, 9 P
NR. Johan Larsson | Left wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $1.550 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 6 G, 16 P
Team needs:
- Goaltending
- Scoring
- Defense
- Futures
- Anything to support Jack Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin, they're really trying hard but they need help
CAROLINA HURRICANES
5th Metro, 74 points (2nd WC)
Status:
buyers! but they'll sell as an emergency backup plan
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
NR. Haydn Fleury | Defense | Age 23 | Shoots left | $850k AAV | Pending RFA | 38 GP, 3 G, 10 P
NR. Trevor van Riemsdyk | Defense | Age 28 | Shoots right | $2.3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 42 GP, 1 G, 7 P
NR. Jake Bean | Defense | Age 21 | Shoots left | $863.3k AAV | RFA 2021 | 51 AHL GP, 8 G, 40 P
Team needs:
- Goaltending with both Mrazek and Reimer hurt
- An upgrade on defense to help replace Justin Faulk
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
62 points, 8th Central (8 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sellers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
8. Robin Lehner | Goalie | Age 28 | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 33 GP, 16-10-5, .918 SV%
17. Brandon Saad | Left wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $6 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 49 GP, 18 G, 28 P
25. Erik Gustafsson | Defense | Age 27 | Shoots left | $1.2 million AAV | Pending UFA | 59 GP, 6 G, 26 P
43. Corey Crawford | Goalie | Age 35 | $6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 31 GP, 11-16-3, .915 SV%
Team needs:
- Draft picks
- Goalies to replace their two UFAs
COLORADO AVALANCHE
79 points, 2nd Central
Status:
buyers with a metric ton of cap space
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
37. Tyson Jost | Centre | Age 21 | Shoots left | $885.8k AAV | Pending RFA | 58 GP, 5 G, 16 P
NR. Vladislav Kamenev | Centre | Age 23 | Shoots left | $750k AAV | Pending RFA | 30 GP, 1 G, 7 P
Team needs:
- More scoring, I guess?
- Maybe an upgrade in net?
COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS
74 points, 6th Atlantic (out of WC on tiebreaker)
Status:
on the fence, decimated by injuries to basically everyone
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
NR. Alexander Wennberg | Centre | Age 25 | Shoots left | $4.9 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 52 GP, 5 G, 20 P
Team needs:
- Uninjured players
- Futures?
- Their voodoo fortune to continue because how is that roster still competitive? I got nothin'
DALLAS STARS
78 points, 3rd Central
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
NR. Mattias Janmark | Forward | Age 27 | Shoots left | $2.3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 6 G, 20 P
NR. Jamie Oleksiak | Defense | Age 27 | Shoots left | $2.1357 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 61 GP, 3 G, 9 P
Team needs:
- Stick to the status quo, largely
- Maybe add some youth up front
DETROIT RED WINGS
34 points, 8th Central and dead last in the NHL by a mile
Status:
sellers, although they don't have a ton to sell
Already traded:
Mike Green (to EDM) | Defense | Age 34 | Shoots right | $2.6875 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 48 GP, 3 G, 11 P
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
15. Andreas Athanasiou | Centre | Age 25 | Shoots left | $3 million AAV | Pending RFA | 46 GP, 10 G, 24 P
NR. Brendan Perlini | Left wing | Age 23 | Shoots left | $874.1k AAV | Pending RFA | 36 GP, 1 G, 3 P
NR. Jimmy Howard | Goalie | Age 35 | $4 million AAV | Pending UFA | 26 GP, 2-22-2, .886 SV%
Team needs:
- Futures
- To follow the Yzerplan
EDMONTON OILERS
73 points, 2nd Pacific
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
Mike Green (from DET) | Defense | Age 34 | Shoots right | $2.6875 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 48 GP, 3 G, 11 P
On the block:
38. Jesse Puljujarvi | Right wing | Age 21 | Shoots right | Unsigned RFA | 49 Finnish GP, 21 G, 49 P
NR. Kris Russell | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots left | $4 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 49 GP, 0 G, 8 P
NR. Markus Granlund | Centre | Age 26 | Shoots left | $1.3 million AAV | Pending UFA | 32 GP, 3 G, 4 P
Team needs:
- NHL-calibre wingers
- Defensive defensemen
- Players who can keep up with McDavid
FLORIDA PANTHERS
70 points, 4th Pacific (2 points out of playoffs)
Status:
on the fence in a weak division
Already traded:
Denis Malgin (to TOR) | Centre | Age 23 | Shoots right | $750k AAV | Pending UFA | 38 GP, 4 G, 12 P
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
4. Vincent Trocheck | Centre | Age 26 | Shoots right | $4.75 million AAV | UFA 2022 | 55 GP, 10 G, 36 P
7. Mike Hoffman | Right wing | Age 30 | Shoots left | $5.1875 million AAV | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 24 G, 51 P
NR. Aleksi Heponiemi | Centre | Age 21 | Shoots left | $925k AAV | RFA 2022 | 44 AHL GP, 3 G, 14 P
Team needs:
- Defense, defense, defense!
- To figure out if they're going to re-sign Hoffman (and to a lesser extent Dadonov -- I think he's likely to stay put) or not
LOS ANGELES KINGS
50 points, 8th Pacific (20 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sellers
Already traded:
Alec Martinez (to VGK) | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots left | $4 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 44 GP, 3 G, 12 P
Tyler Toffoli (to VAN) | Right wing | Age 28 | Shoots right | $4.6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 G, 20 G, 38 P
Jack Campbell (to TOR) | Goalie | Age 28 | $675k AAV ($1.65 million AAV beginning 2020-21) | UFA 2022 | 24 GP, 11-10-3, .904 SV%
Kyle Clifford (to TOR) | Left wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $800k AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 7 G, 16 P
Already acquired:
Tim Schaller (from VAN) | Left wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $1.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 53 GP, 5 G, 6 P
Trevor Moore (from TOR) | Left wing | Age 24 | Shoots left | $775k AAV | RFA 2021 | 34 GP, 5 G, 7 P
On the block:
46. Ben Hutton | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots left | $1.5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 58 GP, 4 G, 11 P
NR. Derek Forbort | Defense | Age 27 | Shoots left | $2.525 million AAV | Pending UFA | 12 GP, 0 G, 1 P
Team needs:
- Not a ton, they've already dealt most of their key guys
- Futures
MINNESOTA WILD
65 points, 6th Central (5 points out of playoffs)
Status:
probably sellers
Already traded:
Jason Zucker (to PIT) | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 52 GP, 17 G, 34 P
Already acquired:
Alex Galchenyuk (from PIT) | Forward | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 6 G, 20 P
On the block:
6. Matt Dumba | Defense | Age 25 | Shoots right | $6 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 60 GP, 4 G, 21 P
14. Jonas Brodin | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.17 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 60 GP, 2 G, 24 P
30. Alex Galchenyuk | Forward | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 6 G, 20 P
NR. Zach Parise | Left wing | Age 35 | Shoots left | $7.538 million AAV | UFA 2025 | 60 GP, 21 G, 37 P
NR. Greg Pateryn | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots right | $2.25 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 11 GP, 0 G, 0 P
NR. Brad Hunt | Defense | Age 31 | Shoots left | $700k AAV | UFA 2021 | 50 GP, 8 G, 18 P
Team needs:
- Futures!
- To get out from underneath its crazy long-term Parise/Suter/Zuccarello deals
MONTREAL CANADIENS
66 points, 5th Atlantic (6 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sellers
Already traded:
Ilya Kovalchuk (to WSH) | Left wing | Age 36 | Shoots left | $350k AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 39 GP, 9 G, 22 P
Marco Scandella (to STL) | Defense | Age 30 | Shoots left | $2 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 53 GP, 4 G, 12 P
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
11. Tomas Tatar | Right wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $4.5 million AAV (incl. 9.5% ret.) | UFA 2021 | 64 GP, 21 G, 55 P
13. Jonathan Drouin | Forward | Age 24 | Shoots left | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 27 GP, 7 G, 15 P
19. Jeff Petry | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots right | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 64 GP, 9 G, 37 P
NR. Nate Thompson | Centre | Age 35 | Shoots left | $1 million AAV | Pending UFA | 63 GP, 4 G, 14 P
Team needs:
- Futures
- Centres
- Youth on defense
NASHVILLE PREDATORS
68 points, 5th Central (2 points out of playoffs)
Status:
on the fence
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
10. Mikael Granlund | Right wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $5.75 million AAV | Pending UFA | 55 GP, 15 G, 26 P
18. Nick Bonino | Centre | Age 31 | Shoots left | $4.1 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 59 GP, 17 G, 34 P
26. Craig Smith | Right wing | Age 30 | Shoots right | $4.25 million AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 17 G, 28 P
39. Rocco Grimaldi | Right wing | Age 26 | Shoots right | $1 million AAV | Pending UFA | 58 GP, 10 G, 30 P
NR. Kyle Turris | Centre | Age 30 | Shoots left | $6 million AAV | UFA 2024 | 54 GP, 9 G, 28 P
NR. Dan Hamhuis | Defense | Age 37 | Shoots left | $1.25 million AAV | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 0 G, 8 P
Team needs:
- Help at centre
- Scoring from any position -- they're being led by Josi, a defenseman
NEW JERSEY DEVILS
58 points, 8th Metro (16 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sellers
Already traded:
Andy Greene (to NYI) | Defense | Age 37 | Shoots left | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 2 G, 13 P
Blake Coleman (to TB) | Centre | Age 28 | Shoots left | $1.8 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 59 GP, 21 G, 31 P
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
3. Kyle Palmieri | Right wing | Age 29 | Shoots right | $4.65 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 57 GP, 22 G, 42 P
20. Sami Vatanen | Defense | Age 28 | Shoots right | $4.875 million AAV | Pending UFA | 47 GP, 5 G, 23 P
35. Wayne Simmonds | Right wing | Age 31 | Shoots right | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 8 G, 24 P
NR. Nikita Gusev | Left wing | Age 27 | Shoots right | $4.5 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 58 GP, 10 G, 37 P
NR. P.K. Subban | Defense | Age 30 | Shoots right | $9 million AAV | UFA 2022 | 60 GP, 7 G, 14 P
NR. Travis Zajac | Centre | Age 34 | Shoots right | $5.75 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 61 GP, 6 G, 21 P
Team needs:
- Futures!
- Defensive help, big time
- Depth in net
- Young guys to surround Hischier and Hughes
NEW YORK ISLANDERS
76 points, 4th Metro (2nd WC)
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
Andy Greene (from NJ) | Defense | Age 37 | Shoots left | $5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 2 G, 13 P
On the block:
NR. Ilya Sorokin | Goalie | Age 24 | Unsigned | 38 KHL GP, 25-9-3, .936 SV%
NR. Michael Dal Colle | Left wing | Age 23 | Shoots left | $700k AAV | RFA 2021 | 46 GP, 4 G, 10 P
NR. Josh Ho-Sang | Right wing | Age 24 | Shoots right | $874k AAV | Pending RFA | 16 AHL GP, 3 G, 10 P
Team needs:
- A #3 centre to play behind Barzal and Nelson
- To find good value for Sorokin
NEW YORK RANGERS
70 points, 7th Metro (4 points out of playoffs)
Status:
likely sellers despite recent push
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
1. Chris Kreider | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $4.625 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 GP, 24 G, 45 P
12. Henrik Lundqvist | Goalie | Age 37 | $8.5 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 28 GP, 10-11-3, .907 SV%
42. Jesper Fast | Right wing | Age 28 | Shoots right | $1.85 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 GP, 11 G, 27 P
NR. Alexandar Georgiev | Goalie | Age 24 | $792.5k AAV | Pending RFA | 28 GP, 14-12-1, .912 SV%
NR. Greg McKegg | Centre | Age 27 | Shoots left | $750k AAV | Pending UFA | 45 GP, 3 G, 6 P
Team needs:
- To find a suitor for Lundqvist and run Georgiev/Shesterkin as its tandem going forward
- Defensive help -- McDonagh replacement
OTTAWA SENATORS
53 points, 7th Atlantic (21 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sell everything you can
Already traded:
Dylan DeMelo (to WPG) | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots right | $900k AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 0 G, 10 P
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
5. Jean-Gabriel Pageau | Centre | Age 27 | Shoots right | $3.1 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 GP, 24 G, 40 P
26. Vladislav Namestnikov | Right wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $3.25 million AAV (incl. 20% ret.) | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 13 G, 25 P
32. Tyler Ennis | Centre | Age 30 | Shoots left | $800k AAV | Pending UFA | 61 GP, 14 G, 33 P
44. Chris Tierney | Centre | Age 25 | Shoots left | $2.9375 million AAV | Pending RFA | 62 GP, 10 G, 30 P
47. Ron Hainsey | Defense | Age 38 | Shoots left | $3.5 million AAV | Pending UFA | 55 GP, 1 G, 11 P
49. Craig Anderson | Goalie | Age 38 | $4.75 million AAV | 29 GP, 9-14-2, .901 SV%
Team needs:
- Picks!
- Good, young players, which can be conveniently found through picks!
PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
77 points, 3rd Metro
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
NR. Robert Hagg | Defense | Age 25 | Shoots left | $1.15 million AAV | Pending RFA | 42 GP, 3 G, 13 P
NR. German Rubtsov | Centre | Age 21 | Shoots left | $894k AAV | RFA 2021 | 39 AHL GP, 2 G, 13 P
Team needs:
- Depth at all positions for a playoff run
- Johnny Gaudreau???? Just checking to see if anyone's reading this, LOL!
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
80 points, 2nd Metro
Status:
maybe buy a little bit
Already traded:
Alex Galchenyuk (to MIN) | Forward | Age 26 | Shoots left | $4.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 6 G, 20 P
Already acquired:
Jason Zucker (from MIN) | Left wing | Age 28 | Shoots left | $5.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 52 GP, 17 G, 34 P
On the block:
NR. Nick Bjugstad | Centre | Age 27 | Shoots right | $4.1 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 10 GP, 1 G, 1 P
NR. Casey DeSmith | Goalie | Age 28 | $1.25 million AAV | UFA 2022 | 37 AHL GP, 18-14-2, .910 SV%
NR. Jack Johnson | Defense | Age 33 | Shoots left | $3.25 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 59 GP, 3 G, 11 P
Team needs:
- Depth for a playoff run, particularly because the injury bug hates them!
SAN JOSE SHARKS
56 points, 6th Metro (14 points out of playoffs)
Status:
sell!
Already traded:
Brenden Dillon (to WSH) | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots left | $1.635 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 1 G, 14 P
Already acquired:
none
On the block:
27. Patrick Marleau | Right wing | Age 40 | Shoots left | $700k AAV | Pending UFA | 58 GP, 10 G, 20 P
28. Joe Thornton | Centre | Age 40 | Shoots left | $2 million AAV | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 4 G, 27 P
48. Aaron Dell | Goalie | Age 30 | $1.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 30 GP, 12-13-2, .909 SV%
NR. Melker Karlsson | Centre | Age 29 | $2 million AAV | Pending UFA | 56 GP, 5 G, 10 P
Team needs:
- To somehow get out from all of its crazy bad long-term contracts
- Build for the future... I guess? Picks? Hard to say with such an awful cap situation.
TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING
85 points, 2nd Atlantic
Status:
buy buy buy!
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
Blake Coleman (from NJ) | Centre | Age 28 | Shoots left | $1.8 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 59 GP, 21 G, 31 P
On the block:
????
Team needs:
- Uhhh....
- Anti-Columbus potion?
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
72 points, 3rd Atlantic
Status:
who knows lol they just lost to a zamboni driver so anything can happen
Already traded:
Trevor Moore (to LA) | Left wing | Age 24 | Shoots left | $775k AAV | RFA 2021 | 34 GP, 5 G, 7 P
Already acquired:
Denis Malgin (from FLA) | Centre | Age 23 | Shoots right | $750k AAV | Pending UFA | 38 GP, 4 G, 12 P
Jack Campbell (from LA) | Goalie | Age 28 | $675k AAV ($1.65 million AAV beginning 2020-21) | UFA 2022 | 24 GP, 11-10-3, .904 SV%
Kyle Clifford (from LA) | Left wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $800k AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 62 GP, 7 G, 16 P
On the block:
16. Kasperi Kapanen | Right wing | Age 23 | Shoots right | $3.2 million AAV | RFA 2022 | 62 GP, 12 G, 35 P
21. Tyson Barrie | Defense | Age 28 | Shoots right | $2.75 million AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 63 GP, 5 G, 35 P
Team needs:
- Defense, particularly of the defensive variety
- Shoot-first players
- A new AHL Zamboni driver
VANCOUVER CANUCKS
72 points, 3rd Pacific
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
Tim Schaller (to LA) | Left wing | Age 29 | Shoots left | $1.9 million AAV | Pending UFA | 53 GP, 5 G, 6 P
Already acquired:
Tyler Toffoli (to VAN) | Right wing | Age 28 | Shoots right | $4.6 million AAV | Pending UFA | 60 G, 20 G, 38 P
On the block:
NR. Troy Stecher | Defense | Age 25 | Shoots right | $2.325 million AAV | Pending RFA | 61 GP, 4 G, 14 P
NR. Olli Juolevi | Defense | Age 21 | Shoots left | $863.3k AAV | RFA 2021 | 43 AHL GP, 2 G, 24 P
NR. Brandon Sutter | Centre | Age 31 | Shoots right | $4.375 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 36 GP, 8 G, 16 P
NR. Micheal Ferland | Right wing | Age 27 | Shoots left | $3.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 14 GP, 1 G, 5 P
NR. Jordie Benn | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots left | $2 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 43 GP, 1 G, 7 P
Team needs:
- Maybe another top-4 offensive defenseman like Tyson Barrie
VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS
76 points, 1st Pacific
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
Cody Eakin (to WPG) | Centre | Age 28 | Shoots left | $3.85 million AAV | Pending UFA | 42 GP, 4 G, 10 P
Already acquired:
Alec Martinez (from LA) | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots left | $4 million AAV | UFA 2021 | 44 GP, 3 G, 12 P
On the block:
NR. Zach Whitecloud | Defense | Age 23 | Shoots right | $925k AAV | Pending 10.2(c) RFA | 9 GP, 0 G, 0 P
NR. Ryan Reaves | Right wing | Age 33 | Shoots right | $2.775 million AAV | Pending UFA | 64 GP, 7 G, 13 P
NR. Nick Holden | Defense | Age 32 | Shoots left | $2.2 million AAV | Pending UFA | 54 GP, 5 G, 11 P
Team needs:
- Another goalie
- A middle-six centre
WASHINGTON CAPITALS
82 points, 1st Metro
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
Ilya Kovalchuk (from MTL) | Left wing | Age 36 | Shoots left | $350k AAV (incl. 50% ret.) | Pending UFA | 39 GP, 9 G, 22 P
On the block:
NR. Nick Jensen | Defense | Age 28 | Shoots right | $2.5 million AAV | UFA 2023 | 61 GP, 0 G, 6 P
Team needs:
- A third-line right wing to play with Vrana and Eller
WINNIPEG JETS
69 points, 4th Central (1 point out of playoffs)
Status:
buyers
Already traded:
none
Already acquired:
Cody Eakin (from VGK) | Centre | Age 28 | Shoots left | $3.85 million AAV | Pending UFA | 42 GP, 4 G, 10 P
Dylan DeMelo (from OTT) | Defense | Age 26 | Shoots right | $900k AAV | Pending UFA | 51 GP, 0 G, 10 P
On the block:
NR. Dustin Byfuglien | Defense | Age 34 | Shoots right | $7.6 million AAV | UFA 2021 | No 2019-20 stats
NR. Kristian Vesalainen | Left wing | Age 20 | Shoots left | $894k AAV | RFA 2022 | 56 AHL GP, 10 G, 27 P
NR. Dmitry Kulikov | Defense | Age 29 | Shoots left | $4.33 million AAV | Pending UFA | 44 GP, 1 G, 9 P
Team needs:
- Even more defensive help
- Maybe another goalie
- Some utility forwards
JurassicTunga12
02-24-2020, 12:08 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/SbvdGEVFJ6D2E/giphy.gif
This shall be interesting...
Nice work, Scorp!
Chingas
02-24-2020, 12:15 AM
When is the roster limit lifted? Is there a window so that players are playoff eligible without using one of the four call ups, yet not being over the current limit?
You Need a Thneed
02-24-2020, 12:17 AM
I predict a boring trade deadline- similar to most of the last few years, if not worse.
Jiggy_12
02-24-2020, 12:20 AM
TheScorpion, you’re putting a lot of time and effort in to this and it’s appreciated
Snuffleupagus
02-24-2020, 12:21 AM
It appears NJ is missing a 2nd and a 3rd rounder this year, allow me to remedy that for Palmieri and I'll even add a Jankowski :)
GullFoss
02-24-2020, 12:27 AM
I fully expect Tre to pull a rabbit out of the hat and land us a franchise center with term using a plethora of picks/prospects. This is potentially the only issue with this roster.
Johnny "Franchise Center" Lindholm
Tkachuk Monahan Mangiapane
Reider Backlund Ryan
Lucic Bennett Dube
Giordano Brodie
Hanifin Andersson
Valimaki Kylington/Hamonic
Dragomir
02-24-2020, 12:34 AM
I fully expect Tre to pull a rabbit out of the hat and land us a franchise center with term using a plethora of picks/prospects. This is potentially the only issue with this roster.
Johnny "Franchise Center" Lindholm
Tkachuk Monahan Mangiapane
Reider Backlund Ryan
Lucic Bennett Dube
Giordano Brodie
Hanifin Andersson
Valimaki Kylington/Hamonic
You are setting yourself up for disappointment my friend, I think we’re going to grab some like Grabner and call it a day.
GranteedEV
02-24-2020, 12:40 AM
You are setting yourself up for disappointment my friend, I think we’re going to grab some like Grabner and call it a day.
I would like to see us offer some B-assets for Connor Brown. He'd be such a good fit here.
Reggie Dunlop
02-24-2020, 12:44 AM
Nice work Scorpion.
Prediction: Buffalo moves Michael Frolik for something more than a 4th rounder, and the board goes berserk.
Snuffleupagus
02-24-2020, 12:52 AM
Nice work Scorpion.
Prediction: Buffalo moves Michael Frolik for something more than a 4th rounder, and the board goes berserk.
Who goes more berserk, us or the fans of the team that pays more that a 4th?
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 12:55 AM
Gaudreau Matthews Tkachuk
Mangiapane Lindholm Palmieri
Lucic Bennett Simmonds
Foegele Ryan Spezza
Giordano Andersson
Hanifin Barrie
Kylington Severson
Rittich
Talbot
Gone: Monahan, Brodie, Backlund, Dube, Jankowski, Hamonic and lots of some picks.
lazypucker
02-24-2020, 01:05 AM
Why is Taylor Hall on the trading block again? Is Arizona given up on making the playoffs now?
You put a lot of work into that Scorp! I'm impressed with your knowledge of the game and how you analyze things.
https://i.imgur.com/DMfK1Xu.gif
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 01:06 AM
Why is Taylor Hall on the trading block again? Is Arizona given up on making the playoffs now?
I only put him on the Top 50 list because there's been some speculation that they might try to move him in case they miss the playoffs and then lose him for nothing
Starting to look like a bit of a shortsighted move to acquire him in the first place given how far the Coyotes have fallen since he arrived
topfiverecords
02-24-2020, 01:13 AM
I think Arizona doubles down now for the time they’ve got Hall and have a shot of getting in.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 01:18 AM
I have the following Team Outlooks written
Anaheim
Arizona
Boston
Buffalo
Calgary
Carolina
Chicago
Colorado
Columbus
Dallas
Detroit
Edmonton
Hey that's almost half the league, neat! Anyway I suggest you read them when you get the chance, the plan is to have all 31 teams done tonight. I hope it's informative! The OP will be updated also with further information and of course will be kept up-to-date as trades happen.
Also please continue posting rumours in the stickied News Only thread, thanks to those of you who have done so thus far.
getbak
02-24-2020, 01:47 AM
When is the roster limit lifted? Is there a window so that players are playoff eligible without using one of the four call ups, yet not being over the current limit?
The 23 man roster limit is lifted as of midnight on deadline day. From now until the end of the season, a team can have as many players on its active roster as it wants as long as the roster is cap compliant.
Any player who is on a team's reserve list at the deadline (3:00pm ET, 1:00pm MT) is eligible to play in the NHL playoffs.
Any player who was on a team's reserve list but not on the active roster at the trade deadline (such as a junior or college player, a player in the AHL, or an injured player) is still eligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the regular season and playoffs. These players (except injured players -- subject to some conditions) are also eligible to play in the AHL playoffs. Players who are on an NHL team's active roster at the deadline are not eligible to be sent to the AHL except in certain situations for post-injury conditioning loans.
Teams can only make a total of 4 recalls from the AHL between the trade deadline and the end of the regular season (players can be added from junior or college without counting against the recall limit -- but are still subject to the cap). Once the playoffs begin, a team can have up to a maximum of 3 players recalled from the AHL since the trade deadline on its roster at any one time until the AHL team's season has ended (they can have 4 recalled players if all players were recalled during the regular season). Once the AHL team is done playing, there is no limit on the number of "Black Aces" an NHL team can have during the playoffs.
This year, for the Flames, Valimaki presents an interesting case because he is on the Flames roster on LTIR. As such, I believe the following section of the CBA applies to his situation and he should be eligible for a loan to the AHL if he is cleared to play soon...
A Player may be Loaned (with the Player's consent) provided such Player (a) was on Recall and was determined to be disabled as of the Trade Deadline, (b) is determined to be fit to play prior to such Loan, and (c) was on the Active Roster for less than twenty-five percent (25%) of the period from the beginning of the Regular Season up to and including the date on which he was determined to be disabled.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 03:29 AM
Update: the OP is complete and the Team Outlooks are finished. Enjoy, everyone!
Poe969
02-24-2020, 04:18 AM
Love this day, love it. I take the day off and my buddy and I just sit around all day and we have more food than most Superbowl parties. I've had to work maybe twice in the past 10 years or something and I almost had to miss this years but everything worked out.
Even if it's a boring day, it's a day full of only hockey talk, what could be, what could have been, what should have been and what is.
I really hope something crazy happens that no one expects just for the fun of it.
Bowie44
02-24-2020, 05:42 AM
Dude! Great work! Appreciate the effort!
Poe969
02-24-2020, 06:18 AM
It's not much effort at all, just take the day off, sit on the couch and eat.
Great work scorp, you've become a great contributor to CP and I really appreciate all your work.
Bowie44
02-24-2020, 06:22 AM
Not You!! Lol. Koodos were for scorp! Haha
Vinny01
02-24-2020, 06:28 AM
Love this day, love it. I take the day off and my buddy and I just sit around all day and we have more food than most Superbowl parties. I've had to work maybe twice in the past 10 years or something and I almost had to miss this years but everything worked out.
Even if it's a boring day, it's a day full of only hockey talk, what could be, what could have been, what should have been and what is.
I really hope something crazy happens that no one expects just for the fun of it.
I typically do the same thing. The stars did not align for me to do it this year so that is how I know the Flames will do something significant today.
No matter what happens today, my day is not going to be boring! Proposing in about 4-5 hours!!
Toonage
02-24-2020, 06:55 AM
Turned to Sportsnet, heard "the Dangle Desk", left.
Just read what was above me. Congrats! Close that deal!
Husky
02-24-2020, 06:56 AM
Jeff oneil must be over 300 pounds. Looks even bigger this year. Part of the 1000 pound club with matts dad and brent krahn.
gvitaly
02-24-2020, 06:57 AM
No matter what happens today, my day is not going to be boring! Proposing in about 4-5 hours!!
So you’re trading a ring for future considerations. Good luck with that, and early congratulations!
So you’re trading a ring for future considerations. Good luck with that, and early congratulations!
Also the ring isn’t that crazy because my girlfriend (soon to be fiancée) doesn’t like blingy, so I’m definitely winning on the future considerations here!!
Flash Walken
02-24-2020, 07:02 AM
No matter what happens today, my day is not going to be boring! Proposing in about 4-5 hours!!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No matter what happens today, my day is not going to be boring! Proposing in about 4-5 hours!!
Proposing at chicken on the way backroom?
dissentowner
02-24-2020, 07:07 AM
Also the ring isn’t that crazy because my girlfriend (soon to be fiancée) doesn’t like blingy, so I’m definitely winning on the future considerations here!!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/e4/11/e5e41130f66fb2e56c3b624ce7a71f19.gif
MoneyGuy
02-24-2020, 07:09 AM
Also the ring isn’t that crazy because my girlfriend (soon to be fiancée) doesn’t like blingy, so I’m definitely winning on the future considerations here!!
It’s a test and you fell for it.
This thread is going to be my ultimate distraction for my nerves, now if there were only some actual moves to help pass the time!
stang
02-24-2020, 07:40 AM
This thread is going to be my ultimate distraction for my nerves, now if there were only some actual moves to help pass the time!
Good luck!
Strange Brew
02-24-2020, 07:41 AM
Scorp this kind of effort, research and quality is impressive. Above and beyond fan level contribution. You need to be making a living doing this kind of stuff.
Vinny01
02-24-2020, 07:43 AM
This thread is going to be my ultimate distraction for my nerves, now if there were only some actual moves to help pass the time!
No doubt this day will be in your memory forever but how cool would it be to tie today to a franchise altering (for the good) deal with the Flames.
You can say years later “I will always remember when I asked you to marry me. We picked up Jack Eichel that day”
Lol
SmoggyFlamesFan
02-24-2020, 07:44 AM
No matter what happens today, my day is not going to be boring! Proposing in about 4-5 hours!!
I hope you seal the deal!
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 07:45 AM
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
5?
No doubt this day will be in your memory forever but how cool would it be to tie today to a franchise altering (for the good) deal with the Flames.
You can say years later “I will always remember when I asked you to marry me. We picked up Jack Eichel that day”
Lol
Remember that day we got engaged? The day we got Baertschi back and he scored 20 in 20 and won the Conn Smythe on the way to the cup?
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 07:46 AM
Pageau to the Islanders. NYI gets its 3c
Vinny01
02-24-2020, 07:47 AM
Remember that day we got engaged? The day we got Baertschi back and he scored 20 in 20 and won the Conn Smythe on the way to the cup?
As far fetched as that would be it is more realistic than my Eichel pick-up.
Good luck and congrats!!
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 07:55 AM
Alright guys I've got my computer set up and every trade will be updated in the OP as it happens. Thanks for all the support.
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 07:58 AM
Man pageau as rental got THAT???
Bye Brodie, it's been great but...
1st and 2nd for Brodie? I think I’d take that.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 08:10 AM
#4 on the Big Board is on the move. Trocheck heading to Carolina. Waiting to see the return but my guess is it's heavy on defense.
JurassicTunga12
02-24-2020, 08:12 AM
Good morning, folks.
Here's to the Flames making home run deals to help propel them to greatness.
Toonage
02-24-2020, 08:12 AM
#4 on the Big Board is on the move. Trocheck heading to Carolina. Waiting to see the return but my guess is it's heavy on defense.
Why TF would Carolina send D back to Florida when they're thin?
Who is that moron?
eyipyip
02-24-2020, 08:15 AM
Why TF would Carolina send D back to Florida when they're thin?
Who is that moron?
Who needs D when they get David Ayres.
Hoop27
02-24-2020, 08:22 AM
Before I run out of thanks. Thanks Scorp!
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 08:24 AM
Dave Poulin on TSN suggests Montreal should go for Monahan or Gaudreau in the offseason but he didn't even seem to consider why Calgary would have any interest in anything Montreal has to offer
agulati
02-24-2020, 08:25 AM
Dave Poulin on TSN suggests Montreal should go for Monahan or Gaudreau in the offseason but he didn't even seem to consider why Calgary would have any interest in anything Montreal has to offer
Absolutely brutal take. Embarrassing actually. Yeah the flames will trade them just to help Bergevin.
Textcritic
02-24-2020, 08:26 AM
Dave Poulin on TSN suggests Montreal should go for Monahan or Gaudreau in the offseason but he didn't even seem to consider why Calgary would have any interest in anything Montreal has to offerCraig Button's incredulous response to Poulin's proposal was pretty funny.
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Toonage
02-24-2020, 08:26 AM
What did he say?
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 08:28 AM
What did he say?
Paraphrasing
Poulin: "If I'm Montreal, I'm looking to add a star. Gaudreau and Monahan in Calgary have been together for five seasons and they've only won one round. They're still young. So I offer them a package with a couple prospects and a high draft pick and I get that star in Montreal that we've been missing."
Everyone else: "Crickets."
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Johnny Makarov
02-24-2020, 08:29 AM
Nice work Scorpion.
Prediction: Buffalo moves Michael Frolik for something more than a 4th rounder, and the board goes berserk.
Past history.... 2 2nd rounders!
How many points does Frolik have with Buffalo so far?
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 08:31 AM
How many points does Frolik have with Buffalo so far?
1 G, 2 A in 16 GP
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 08:33 AM
Paraphrasing
Poulin: "If I'm Montreal, I'm looking to add a star. Gaudreau and Monahan in Calgary have been together for five seasons and they've only won one round. They're still young. So I offer them a package with a couple prospects and a high draft pick and I get that star in Montreal that we've been missing."
Everyone else: "Crickets."
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I think he meant what did Craig Button say.
Royle9
02-24-2020, 08:33 AM
Feels like Froliks career is pretty much coming to an end here
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 08:34 AM
I think he meant what did Craig Button say.
Oh oops. Button basically said "OK Dave, how are you planning on doing that?" As he should have.
Textcritic
02-24-2020, 08:35 AM
I think he meant what did Craig Button say.Button? He very dryly asked: "How is Montreal going to get Monahan and Gaudreau?""
Poulin said words, and Button just stared through him.
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Krynn
02-24-2020, 08:46 AM
I think the guys on the desk need to taste Poulin drink ,to see what he's drinking, cause he must be drunk to stay shat he said.
I'm sitting here watching him thinking maybe he talking about and star 4 star swap with Dallas ,then he brings in and says the Habs should grab Monny or Johnny for picks + prospects .
Resolute 14
02-24-2020, 08:47 AM
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AKA, HFBoards in its entirety and the Calgarypuck trade rumours thread.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 08:50 AM
Freeway isn't wrong
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Textcritic
02-24-2020, 08:53 AM
Freeway isn't wrong
1231969351168737281I would also like a better viewing option, but with Kevin Bieksa and Ryan Kesler on the other network there is no way in hell I am changing the channel.
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agulati
02-24-2020, 09:08 AM
I would also like a better viewing option, but with Kevin Bieksa and Ryan Kesler on the other network there is no way in hell I am changing the channel.
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I was considering watching sportsnet for the first time on trade deadline, but as soon as I saw the cast, it was quite an easy decision to stick with TSN.
Split98
02-24-2020, 09:15 AM
Dunno how TSN has been (just switched now)
But FWIW besides Bieksa/Kesler presence, SN has at least had some interesting stories to roll this year in preparation for the lack of content otherwise. Gretzky story sitting on the tarmac waiting to find out if he's going to Edmonton or Winnipeg was more entertaining to listen to than TDL coverage in the past
Bruce asking players questions was an interesting addition to the interviews too I guess ("Hi Vince, Boudreau here. [insert his opinion about the player]..."). Versteeg is fun too
djsFlames
02-24-2020, 09:21 AM
No matter what happens today, my day is not going to be boring! Proposing in about 4-5 hours!!
This is the deal I'm most interested in seeing closed today.
Split98
02-24-2020, 09:22 AM
Names we've been hearing as good options to help the Flames do anything this year seem to be peeling off fairly quickly this morning though...
Curious about what Tre plans to do with this roster, and what the plan is with these UFAs we have next year...
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TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 09:29 AM
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starting to get frustrated at the lack of activity by the Flames
Leeman4Gilmour
02-24-2020, 09:33 AM
https://twitter.com/commie22?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7C twgr%5Eauthor
For what it's worth:
Hoffman to EDM
Lehner to Carolina
Thorton to Boston
Barrie to Vegas
I hope he's wrong on Hoffman to EDM
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starting to get frustrated at the lack of activity by the Flames
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Cali Panthers Fan
02-24-2020, 09:35 AM
https://twitter.com/commie22?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7C twgr%5Eauthor
For what it's worth:
Hoffman to EDM
Lehner to Carolina
Thorton to Boston
Barrie to Vegas
I hope he's wrong on Hoffman to EDM
For the Panthers' sake, so do I. Tallon's first trade left a lot to be desired.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 09:36 AM
I think Athanasiou is about to get traded to Columbus
Weitz
02-24-2020, 09:37 AM
I think Athanasiou is about to get traded to Columbus
Not going to quote Francis?
I think Athanasiou is about to get traded to Columbus
If true then Commodore got this one right
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 09:38 AM
Not going to quote Francis?
Did Francis say it? I didn't see his Tweet I saw some other speculation on Twitter
Edit: ah just saw his tweet
SuperMatt18
02-24-2020, 09:39 AM
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starting to get frustrated at the lack of activity by the Flames
I'm not.
Prices have been high.
Only name I wouldn't have minded is Namestiknov for a 4th, or DeMelo last week for a 3rd. Outside of that prices have been too high, and this team has proven enough this year to be moving top end pieces.
Cali Panthers Fan
02-24-2020, 09:41 AM
I'm not.
Prices have been high.
Only name I wouldn't have minded is Namestiknov for a 4th, or DeMelo last week for a 3rd. Outside of that prices have been too high.
"lack of activity" for the Flames could refer to not selling either. Lots of high prices being paid makes a bubble team like Calgary a prime seller, especially for a guy like Brodie.
I'd honestly be upset if Brad bought instead of selling today. The market should tell you which way to go if you're on the fence. If he can't read the market effectively, that bothers me.
Bonded
02-24-2020, 09:42 AM
I'd sell Brodie if we could get a 1st+
Johnny Makarov
02-24-2020, 09:44 AM
There should be a clause at TSN where Button is not allowed to comment on the Flames!
SuperMatt18
02-24-2020, 09:45 AM
"lack of activity" for the Flames could refer to not selling either. Lots of high prices being paid makes a bubble team like Calgary a prime seller, especially for a guy like Brodie.
I'd honestly be upset if Brad bought instead of selling today. The market should tell you which way to go if you're on the fence. If he can't read the market effectively, that bothers me.
Even on that though...with Gio, Hamonic, and Valimaki out longer term still I'm not sure how they move Brodie without it looking like them throwing in the towel on the season.
If those two d-men were healthy then sure I'd want them to be selling one of Brodie or Hamonic (preferably Hamonic) but with the injuries it's not really an option.
It sucks but really the best outcome here is to just stand pat and let this core have one last shot together before re-tooling at the draft.
Strange Brew
02-24-2020, 09:47 AM
Anytime now Flames.
There is an opportunity to improve them team, either now or for the future. All I ask is you have some kind of plan and execute on it.
Cali Panthers Fan
02-24-2020, 09:47 AM
Even on that though...with Gio, Hamonic, and Valimaki out longer term still I'm not sure how they move Brodie without it looking like them throwing in the towel on the season.
If those two d-men were healthy then sure I'd want them to be selling one of Brodie or Hamonic (preferably Hamonic) but with the injuries it's not really an option.
It sucks but really the best outcome here is to just stand pat and let this core have one last shot together before re-tooling at the draft.
I think if someone is willing to overpay for an expiring asset, you move him, regardless of playoff position or a single season. Someone wants to give you a 1st+ for Brodie? Do it without hesitation. You have to think long term on days like this.
Johnny Makarov
02-24-2020, 09:47 AM
Any chance anyone would take an injured Gio today?
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 09:49 AM
Feels like the Flames are an afterthought at this deadline, rightfully so. I hoped this year would be different.
Flash Walken
02-24-2020, 09:50 AM
Any chance anyone would take an injured Gio today?
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Textcritic
02-24-2020, 09:50 AM
Any chance anyone would take an injured Gio today?
Giordano has a NTC. He is not going anywhere today.
SuperMatt18
02-24-2020, 09:51 AM
Any chance anyone would take an injured Gio today?
Im sure lots of teams would.
There is no chance the Flames move him though.
Braden
02-24-2020, 09:54 AM
So this leaves Dallas, Calgary and Rangers to be the only teams not to make a deal yet? Even though you could classify Krieders extension as just that
So this leaves Dallas, Calgary and Rangers to be the only teams not to make a deal yet? Even though you could classify Krieders extension as just that
we made a move today, we sent Buddy down. :bag:
Parallex
02-24-2020, 09:55 AM
Feels like the Flames are an afterthought at this deadline
The Flames usually feel like an afterthought at the TDL. I mean unless Fantenberg acquisitions, Burke not making trades due to his ego, and Tim Jackman extensions are your jam.
Duffalufagus
02-24-2020, 09:56 AM
Looks like Tre not doing anything. Which is good. Rebuild this mess in the offseason.
Burn13
02-24-2020, 09:57 AM
Im sure lots of teams would.
There is no chance the Flames move him though.
That's Flames, respect the players.
But on a fun idea list a hockey trade to say TO where he is from would garner a king's ransom and he would waive to go home.
Kapanen, Kerfoot, Sandin or Timothy, a 1st and who know what else you could get. TO needs to make playoffs and win a couple of rounds. Pressure is on.
Asset management.
Split98
02-24-2020, 09:57 AM
I think you have to honestly look at what the Flames were really going to do in the playoffs - for 2 reasons
For one, and TSN even just touched on this - we do have Valimaki returning as well. Hamonic, Gio and whatever Valimaki can bring are big factors in the Flames doing anything in the playoffs. So whatever we sell on defence isn't the final look going forward
But secondly, besides a big deadline shakeup... this team has not been playing like cup contenders. Nothing they can add to this roster, even with adding everything I mentioned and selling no-one, will make this team a contender in the playoffs.
So if they can sell a bit to help next year... I don't know that this writes off the Flames entirely any more than the standings already do. They're still in the 'make the playoffs and anything can happen' status of teams no matter if they have Brodie or not. Add those 3 defencemen back to what's left and you still have enough depth to be whatever this team was going to be anyway
But doing nothing will definitely be a really bad move today - for this year and next. This team isn't in 'lose a UFA for nothing because of the push', nor 'team should be good enough to compete' mode
Canada 02
02-24-2020, 09:58 AM
of all the trades made so far today and in the last few days, the only one that I'm sorry the Flames missed out on is Trochek.
All other trades are insiginifcant or way over priced (Pageau)
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 09:59 AM
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Looch City
02-24-2020, 10:05 AM
God TSN is unbearably cringy at times...
JurassicTunga12
02-24-2020, 10:07 AM
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Come on, Flames
Torture
02-24-2020, 10:08 AM
double post
Torture
02-24-2020, 10:08 AM
Seems the market has dried up. The A-listers are already dealt or no longer being moved.
Johnny Makarov
02-24-2020, 10:12 AM
Im sure lots of teams would.
There is no chance the Flames move him though.
He has been completely useless offensively this year and that might be it for him. People complain about Johnny and Mony not having it.... Gio has been an offensive and offensive black hole
Defensively he has been average to above average but I can't trust Ward to NOT put him out in offensive situations.
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 10:12 AM
If the flames aren't good enough to inject something to now, are they good enough to NOT move a brodie/hamonic today also?!?!?!
Just a completely strategic void in the mental make up of this management team group.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 10:14 AM
That Dan O'Toole segment on TSN was hilarious!
UKflames
02-24-2020, 10:16 AM
It will be interesting to see if any of the press go hard at Tre asking why he was neither a buyer or a seller at the deadline (assuming we don't make any moves of course). Surely you are either one or the other? I know his MO is usually to do nothing now and more in the off season but with the prices being paid you have to think long term as well as now.
ResAlien
02-24-2020, 10:17 AM
It will be interesting to see if any of the press go hard at Tre asking why he was neither a buyer or a seller at the deadline (assuming we don't make any moves of course). Surely you are either one or the other? I know his MO is usually to do nothing now and more in the off season but with the prices being paid you have to think long term as well as now.
We haven’t made any moves in a year, why start now?
TheIronMaiden
02-24-2020, 10:19 AM
Footage of BT so far today
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Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 10:22 AM
I wonder if other GMs don’t like him. I’m not a GM, and I can’t stand BT. He’s probably burned a few bridges.
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N-E-B
02-24-2020, 10:23 AM
Ray Ferraro is extremely annoying.
Torture
02-24-2020, 10:23 AM
I wonder if other GMs don’t like him. I’m not a GM, and I can’t stand BT. He’s probably burned a few bridges.
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:rolleyes:
ComixZone
02-24-2020, 10:24 AM
How I want to feel:
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How I actually feel:
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What I want to say to Tree:
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GioforPM
02-24-2020, 10:26 AM
Man, the complaining is ridiculous. IMO trading because you "have to do SOMETHING" is how you make a bad trade. Especially when none of us know the situation with any of the three injured D.
Jiri Hrdina
02-24-2020, 10:27 AM
I wonder if other GMs don’t like him. I’m not a GM, and I can’t stand BT. He’s probably burned a few bridges.
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Why do you think he's burned bridges?
Based on what?
ComixZone
02-24-2020, 10:27 AM
Man, the complaining is ridiculous. IMO trading because you "have to do SOMETHING" is how you make a bad trade. Especially when none of us know the situation with any of the three injured D.
Two years of not doing anything to improve the team is pretty hard to sell when your team got embarrassed in the playoffs after falling apart down the stretch, and then stinking the joint up to start the season.
I think being critical of Tree is fair at this stage, and I'm a fan of his. That said, anyone who thinks the Flames should have been in on Pageau or anything like that - yeah, don't agree with that. No rentals.
The only thing we’ll maybe see is a Fantenberg type pick up.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 10:29 AM
I think the Hamonic and Gio injuries really screwed things. I bet Brodie or Hamonic would have been moved by now, but now we need Brodie more than ever, and who would trade for an injured Hamonic?
Just unfortunate
agulati
02-24-2020, 10:29 AM
Why do you think he's burned bridges?
Based on what?
Because he can’t stand him obviously, so other GMs shouldn’t either
Torture
02-24-2020, 10:31 AM
In hindsight, last year was probably the year to go all in at the trade deadline. But then, would Stone have really changed the tone of that series? Hard to say.
This year? Limping into the playoffs without a full time head coach while half your stars are struggling. 3 of the defencemen you were hoping to have on the opening roster are injured (Vali, Gio, Hamonic).
Sounds like the perfect time to go get a big fish!
blankall
02-24-2020, 10:31 AM
Two years of not doing anything to improve the team is pretty hard to sell when your team got embarrassed in the playoffs after falling apart down the stretch, and then stinking the joint up to start the season.
I think being critical of Tree is fair at this stage, and I'm a fan of his. That said, anyone who thinks the Flames should have been in on Pageau or anything like that - yeah, don't agree with that. No rentals.
You're simultaneously stating that he should make a move, but also stating that he shouldn't pay the price for a move or get a rental.
So all he has to do is find a team willing to give up a good young roster player for scraps?
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=Jiri Hrdina;7385944]Why do you think he's burned bridges?
No facts from other GMs. Just a feeling
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Torture
02-24-2020, 10:32 AM
I think the Hamonic and Gio injuries really screwed things. I bet Brodie or Hamonic would have been moved by now, but now we need Brodie more than ever, and who would trade for an injured Hamonic?
Just unfortunate
Yup. Don't want to sell the future because frankly, this year sucks. Can't trade expiring contracts because you still need Brodie and Hamonic's injured. So what do you do?
ComixZone
02-24-2020, 10:33 AM
You're simultaneously stating that he should make a move, but also stating that he shouldn't pay the price for a move or get a rental.
So all he has to do is find a team willing to give up a good young roster player for scraps?
I'm just saying no rentals - there are other deals that can be made that don't involve giving good young roster players for scraps...
I think he's failed to perform at an adequate level for over a year now.
TheIronMaiden
02-24-2020, 10:34 AM
I think the Hamonic and Gio injuries really screwed things. I bet Brodie or Hamonic would have been moved by now, but now we need Brodie more than ever, and who would trade for an injured Hamonic?
Just unfortunate
It all started with Valimaki getting hurt. The Flames don't have a lot to work with, and have very specific needs, I am not surprised that things are quite so far.
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 10:35 AM
In hindsight, last year was probably the year to go all in at the trade deadline. But then, would Stone have really changed the tone of that series? Hard to say.
This year? Limping into the playoffs without a full time head coach while half your stars are struggling. 3 of the defencemen you were hoping to have on the opening roster are injured (Vali, Gio, Hamonic).
Sounds like the perfect time to go get a big fish!
Sounds like more excuses. Other teams are at least making moves. And yeah, I don’t like him. So what? I’m tired of being a mediocre team, and apart from 89,2004.. that’s all they’ve been.
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Torture
02-24-2020, 10:36 AM
Sounds like more excuses. Other teams are at least making moves. And yeah, I don’t like him. So what? I’m tired of being a mediocre team, and apart from 89,2004.. that’s all they’ve been.
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Somebody call Murray Edwards, I think we found our next GM!
Other teams are making moves, we should too! I don't care if they're good moves, just make some damn moves!
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 10:38 AM
Somebody call Murray Edwards, I think we found our next GM!
Other teams are making moves, we should to!
I’m saying that what difference does it make anymore? You tell me what he has done in the past 17 months to improve this team. There is always an excuse with this franchise. Yeah, I don’t wanna pick up an rental. But maybe move a part of the core and pickup a couple pieces and prospects.. something
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Split98
02-24-2020, 10:38 AM
in hindsight, last year was probably the year to go all in at the trade deadline. but then, would stone have really changed the tone of that series? hard to say.
This year? Limping into the playoffs without a full time head coach while half your stars are struggling. 3 of the defencemen you were hoping to have on the opening roster are injured (vali, gio, hamonic).
Sounds like the perfect time to go get a big fish!
1000%
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 10:41 AM
You're simultaneously stating that he should make a move, but also stating that he shouldn't pay the price for a move or get a rental.
So all he has to do is find a team willing to give up a good young roster player for scraps?
meh, if they have any ambition to even just make it to the playoffs, they could have coughed up a 4th for namestnikov.
I just don't understand the stand pat approach. If you aren't willing to tinker to provide any kind of jolt, then why not maximize on a guy like Brodie if you don't think this is the year anyways.
Again, in classic Calgary flame fashion, "do anything for the guaranteed x2 home playoff game $$$ baby".
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 10:43 AM
In hindsight, last year was probably the year to go all in at the trade deadline. But then, would Stone have really changed the tone of that series? Hard to say.
This year? Limping into the playoffs without a full time head coach while half your stars are struggling. 3 of the defencemen you were hoping to have on the opening roster are injured (Vali, Gio, Hamonic).
Sounds like the perfect time to go get a big fish!
I think for a team that was looking at a lull in their play by late feb last season, providing a massive jolt and message to the team/fans may have had a pretty substantial amount of excitement and hope. Having a feel good with everything going well, and basically upgrading the 7th dman spot on the roster at the deadline, doesn't really sends quite the message to a young team.
Makarov
02-24-2020, 10:43 AM
Sounds like more excuses. Other teams are at least making moves. And yeah, I don’t like him. So what? I’m tired of being a mediocre team, and apart from 89,2004.. that’s all they’ve been.
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To be fair, they've also been a pretty bad team for long stretches during that period.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 10:44 AM
Again, in classic Calgary flame fashion, "do anything for the guaranteed x2 home playoff game $$$ baby".
I definitely believe that's the mandate from ownership, but you can't blame a GM for that. It's his dumb ass bosses
djsFlames
02-24-2020, 10:45 AM
Grabbing Stone for picks and prospects (Vali + 1st) would've satisfied a lot of needs up front that we've been agonizing over ever since. He's been a high impact player for Vegas.
Manhattanboy
02-24-2020, 10:45 AM
I might be way off base here but I think the present mess in which we find ourselves can be traced back to the Valimaki injury.
EDIT: Acquiring Stone last year would have been a franchise changer IMHO.
TheIronMaiden
02-24-2020, 10:45 AM
Flames should trade for Thorton.
Torture
02-24-2020, 10:45 AM
I think for a team that was looking at a lull in their play by late feb last season, providing a massive jolt and message to the team/fans may have had a pretty substantial amount of excitement and hope. Having a feel good with everything going well, and basically upgrading the 7th dman spot on the roster at the deadline, doesn't really sends quite the message to a young team.
Probably true. When you're dominating the regular season it's probably the time to consider buying and I'd agree that it was probably a mistake. (Although the price would probably have hurt - Vali and a 1st at minimum)
Things change quickly and your window isn't always as long as you think it is.
This year? Yuk.
GioforPM
02-24-2020, 10:46 AM
I think for a team that was looking at a lull in their play by late feb last season, providing a massive jolt and message to the team/fans may have had a pretty substantial amount of excitement and hope. Having a feel good with everything going well, and basically upgrading the 7th dman spot on the roster at the deadline, doesn't really sends quite the message to a young team.
One more time: Vegas had a pretty much guaranteed extension from Stone. Calgary didn't. So Calgary could pay a rental price only. Or I guess they could have bettered Vegas and then seen Stone go to Vegas in the offseason. Great.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 10:46 AM
I might be way off base here but I think the present mess in which we find ourselves can be traced back to the Valimaki injury.
Definitely. D injuries in general. Hamonic or Brodie would be long gone by now if that was the case
SuperMatt18
02-24-2020, 10:46 AM
meh, if they have any ambition to even just make it to the playoffs, they could have coughed up a 4th for namestnikov.
I just don't understand the stand pat approach. If you aren't willing to tinker to provide any kind of jolt, then why not maximize on a guy like Brodie if you don't think this is the year anyways.
Again, in classic Calgary flame fashion, "do anything for the guaranteed x2 home playoff game $$$ baby".
That's the thing here, and why I don't really get on Treliving for "not selling".
Likely not an option for Treliving to sell any of our UFAs due to the circumstances, especially considering our injuries. He still needs to try to get into the playoffs since that's the edict from his bosses.
But at least he's not mortgaging even more of the future to try to make that happen and just sneak in to lose a around.
I actually think Treliving has had the right strategy the last two seasons now. Don't mortgage the future, try to make hockey trades that make sense (I know people don't like the talk of it but both the Kadri and Zucker trades would have been good deals for us IMO), and keep the window open as long as possible.
Ideally we'd have the ability to move one of Brodie or Hamonic right now but honestly I don't think it's an option without bringing another d-man in at this point. We are already playing Stone, Kylington, & Yelesin due to injuries to three of our start of the year top 7 d-men at this point.
I might be way off base here but I think the present mess in which we find ourselves can be traced back to the Valimaki injury.
EDIT: Acquiring Stone last year would have been a franchise changer IMHO.
Longer term a lot of the issues tie back to the Neal signing.
- Signed Neal to fill RW hole in top 6 but it didn't work
- Meant Flames didn't have cap space to go hard after Stone at the deadline with Tkachuk a pending RFA (although I'm not sure I'd want him for 7 more years at $10M anyways)
- Flames then moved Neal for Lucic which created an even bigger gap at RW
- Flames didn't have cap space for extra defensive depth due to Neal/Lucic contract, and Valimaki got hurt
Due to all of that we have huge holes at defense and RW right now.
djsFlames
02-24-2020, 10:48 AM
Flames should trade for Thorton.
Is that Thor's hockey playing cousin?
btimbit
02-24-2020, 10:50 AM
That's the thing here, and why I don't really get on Treliving for "not selling".
Likely not an option for Treliving to sell any of our UFAs due to the circumstances, especially considering our injuries. He still needs to try to get into the playoffs since that's the edict from his bosses.
But at least he's not mortgaging even more of the future to try to make that happen and just sneak in to lose a around.
I actually think Treliving has had the right strategy the last two seasons now. Don't mortgage the future, try to make hockey trades that make sense (I know people don't like the talk of it but both the Kadri and Zucker trades would have been good deals for us IMO), and keep the window open as long as possible.
Ideally we'd have the ability to move one of Brodie or Hamonic right now but honestly I don't think it's an option without bringing another d-man in at this point. We are already playing Stone, Kylington, & Yelesin due to injuries to three of our start of the year top 7 d-men at this point.
Get outta here with your sense and logic. We're supposed to clamoring like morons here
TheIronMaiden
02-24-2020, 10:53 AM
Is that Thor's hockey playing cousin?
Yes, Thor cofirmed that he is. He is a really good Defecesme.
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 10:53 AM
One more time: Vegas had a pretty much guaranteed extension from Stone. Calgary didn't. So Calgary could pay a rental price only. Or I guess they could have bettered Vegas and then seen Stone go to Vegas in the offseason. Great.
I'm not saying the flames would have won the cup, and I'm not necessarily suggesting that the rental acquired had to be re-signed to still have helped this franchise.
I'm saying last deadline is one where MOST good GMs would have injected additions at the deadline, EVEN if it is a pure rental. Things are wide open this year, look at every playoff team having improved their roster via trade already!
The flames winning a round or 2, and the entire direction of the franchise changes. We basically went into this year ready to throw Monahan and Gaudreau out of town, questioning if they are good for anything.
Now Treliving not doing anything at last years' deadline, then doubling down and doing NOTHING in the offseason (yes yes, he tried, he tried hard, woulda-coulda-shoulda), finds himself in the weird predicament of not doing ANYTHING for a whole calendar year!
If that I isn't the definition and signal of spinning ones wheels and remaining right smack in the thick of mediocrity.
GioforPM
02-24-2020, 10:55 AM
I'm not saying the flames would have won the cup, and I'm not necessarily suggesting that the rental acquired had to be re-signed to still have helped this franchise.
I'm saying last deadline is one where MOST good GMs would have injected additions at the deadline, EVEN if it is a pure rental. Things are wide open this year, look at every playoff team having improved their roster via trade already!
The flames winning a round or 2, and the entire direction of the franchise changes. We basically went into this year ready to throw Monahan and Gaudreau out of town, questioning if they are good for anything.
Now Treliving not doing anything at last years' deadline, then doubling down and doing NOTHING in the offseason (yes yes, he tried, he tried hard, woulda-coulda-shoulda), finds himself in the weird predicament of not doing ANYTHING for a whole calendar year!
If that I isn't the definition and signal of spinning ones wheels and remaining right smack in the thick of mediocrity.
We were talking about Stone in particular. So should Treliving have bettered the Vegas offer for a rental of Stone (because I think there's no way he could be re-signed within reason)?
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 10:58 AM
Scottie Upshall just called Connor McDavid an "absolute hockey creature."
Unknown
02-24-2020, 10:58 AM
Definitely. D injuries in general. Hamonic or Brodie would be long gone by now if that was the case
Yeah, but at least Gio's coming back now, so there's no need to acquire a D-man. Maybe trade Hamonic, if it's somehow possible.
Still waiting for that top6 rs forward. As I said, if possible, Hamonic goes other way.
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 10:59 AM
We were talking about Stone in particular. So should Treliving have bettered the Vegas offer for a rental of Stone (because I think there's no way he could be re-signed within reason)?
Fair enough.
My point is that last year was the year to pay the price of a rental. Flames have won their division and the conference, what twice in 2+ decades???
Let's get impatient and blow multiple 1st + 2nd's for Hamonic, but let's get very very very patient when they are leading the conference in the thick of their 'window'.
Our management just leave me scratching my head. Though, I'll hear about 'the process', 'not wanting to part with assets for a rental, but willing to make a move that gets us someone with term'. It doesn't even sound 'smart' anymore, literally every GM has the same GM speak.
Torture
02-24-2020, 10:59 AM
Scottie Upshall just called Connor McDavid an "absolute hockey creature."
Neato!
blankall
02-24-2020, 11:00 AM
Grabbing Stone for picks and prospects (Vali + 1st) would've satisfied a lot of needs up front that we've been agonizing over ever since. He's been a high impact player for Vegas.
It's hard to argue with this now.
However, there is also a lot hindsight speculation going on. The Flames didn't know if Stone would re-sign or if they could even hope to afford him. 1st + our best prospect for a rental was a huge ask.
Looking back on it, the correct move probably was to acquire Stone, re-sign him, and then move out players like Backlund and Hamonic for peanuts to acquire cap space.
keenan87
02-24-2020, 11:00 AM
This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to still be sulking after trades didn't go his way.
Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.
Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:01 AM
Yeah, but at least Gio's coming back now, so there's no need to acquire a D-man. Maybe trade Hamonic, if it's somehow possible.
Still waiting for that top6 rs forward. As I said, if possible, Hamonic goes other way.
We can dream but who's going to trade for an injured rental? Him getting hurt really screwed us
Sainters7
02-24-2020, 11:02 AM
Love Commodore, but he's a brutal "Insiderrrrr"... just hucking a bunch of stuff at the wall, hoping a couple stick. Obviously take any of his "trades" with a huge grain of salt
TheIronMaiden
02-24-2020, 11:03 AM
I would be curious to know how often a team that makes the semi-finals adds a rental at the deadline.
soulchoice
02-24-2020, 11:03 AM
Fair enough.
My point is that last year was the year to pay the price of a rental. Flames have won their division and the conference, what twice in 2+ decades???
Let's get impatient and blow multiple 1st + 2nd's for Hamonic, but let's get very very very patient when they are leading the conference in the thick of their 'window'.
Our management just leave me scratching my head. Though, I'll hear about 'the process', 'not wanting to part with assets for a rental, but willing to make a move that gets us someone with term'. It doesn't even sound 'smart' anymore, literally every GM has the same GM speak.
I get the reasoning for not trading for Stone as it was highly probable resigning him was not going to happen as he wanted Vegas. However with respect to BT, I've never felt he was a wizard but more so an average GM in the league.
Overall has made some good but at the same time questionable moves for the club.
CaptainYooh
02-24-2020, 11:04 AM
Each and every trade deadline under Treliving was incredibly boring and disappointing... This one is gonna be the same, it looks like...
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 11:04 AM
This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to still be sulking after trades didn't go his way.
Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.
Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.
Wanna join me in running the flames? Torture gave me the idea [emoji57]
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ComixZone
02-24-2020, 11:04 AM
This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to be sulking after trades didn't go his way.
Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.
Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.
Harsh take, but as a fan I get it. Tree has effectively been inactive for nearly 2 calendar years - and even worse was that his original plan seemed to be to speed up the rebuild to compete quicker. Instead, he built the team right back into the middle/where we were during the dog days of the Iggy era.
Frustration is mounting for me for sure. He can't close out this deadline without improving the team for today, or for the future in my eyes. If he doesn't do anything, the cold streak begins to look like incompetence to me.
Love Commodore, but he's a brutal "Insiderrrrr"... just hucking a bunch of stuff at the wall, hoping a couple stick. Obviously take any of his "trades" with a huge grain of salt
I think he genuinely hears things from sources about conversations being had. He goes with that, instead of just going with "confirmed" stuff that he hears right before the trade actually breaks. He posts actual rumours, rather than just breaking news a few minutes early.
Jiri Hrdina
02-24-2020, 11:06 AM
This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to still be sulking after trades didn't go his way.
.
This is entirely baseless.
But I guess we are moving into the character assassination part of the process where we go beyond evaluating the work, and start to also attack the GM as a person.
Torture
02-24-2020, 11:06 AM
This is entirely baseless.
But I guess we are moving into the character assassination part of the process where we go beyond evaluating the work, and start to also attack the GM as a person.
Haven't you heard? Other GMs don't like working with him. He rubs them the wrong way!
Textcritic
02-24-2020, 11:06 AM
Why do you think he's burned bridges?
No facts from other GMs. Just a feeling
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chedder
02-24-2020, 11:07 AM
Grabbing Stone for picks and prospects (Vali + 1st) would've satisfied a lot of needs up front that we've been agonizing over ever since. He's been a high impact player for Vegas.And it's been mentioned ad nauseam that he had absolutely no desire to be here.
flamesfan55
02-24-2020, 11:07 AM
Love Commodore, but he's a brutal "Insiderrrrr"... just hucking a bunch of stuff at the wall, hoping a couple stick. Obviously take any of his "trades" with a huge grain of salt
Of course, he would say the same thing.
SuperMatt18
02-24-2020, 11:07 AM
This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to still be sulking after trades didn't go his way.
Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.
Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.
One of the two of you is sulking...and it's not Brad Treliving.
Patience is the best plan here.
Knee jerk reactions are when you end up trading Dion Phaneuf for Matt Stajan and Friends, and Olli Jokinen & Prust for Ales Kotalik and Higgins.
Ideally Treliving would be selling UFA dmen to gain assets to use at the draft (whether in deals or as picks) but 3 injuries in our planned top 6 have kind of limited that.
His best bet is to not move assets to try and get this team any further either. Since last playoffs Gaudreau/Monahan have not shown anything that indicates we should be going all in, so smart to not try to buy.
If the draft comes and goes and we have the same roster then I agree it's time to look at the GM. But until then patience is the key here.
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 11:08 AM
Haven't you heard? Other GMs don't like working with him. He rubs them the wrong way!
[emoji57]yeah, I hear he’s a real pimp
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Torture
02-24-2020, 11:09 AM
[emoji57]yeah, I hear he’s a real pimp
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The hockey team is just a front!
.......is trade deadline always this strange?
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 11:10 AM
The hockey team is just a front!
Just like that Canada pizza limited in Cranston haha
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Jiri Hrdina
02-24-2020, 11:11 AM
The only deal so far I would have liked BT to be in on was the Trochek one. But perhaps the Flames didn't have prospects similar to what the Canes offered. Or the Panthers asked for guys the Flames wouldn't move.
From a straight value POV that one seems like a missed opportunity.
The rest of the deals today though? Meh.
soulchoice
02-24-2020, 11:11 AM
Just like that Canada pizza limited in Cranston haha
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What is the story behind that pizza joint? 🤔.
[QUOTE=Jiri Hrdina;7385944]Why do you think he's burned bridges?
No facts from other GMs. Just a feeling
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Ooga Chaka
Bonded
02-24-2020, 11:12 AM
What ever happened to Stay Golden? I would love to hear his Tre rant
Torture
02-24-2020, 11:12 AM
Just like that Canada pizza limited in Cranston haha
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I make it a point to never venture as far into the suburbs as Cranston. Rumour has it that once you go there, you'll never make it back to the inner city. :D
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:12 AM
So far I'm happy enough.
I never wanted to spend assets on a rental.
I wanted to move one of our two UFA dmen but injuries have made that pretty difficult.
I want to add another forward with term ie Palmieri but deadline day isn't always the best time to do that.
If we go past the draft with no moves I'll be annoyed but if we stand pat today, it's whatever
flamesfan1297
02-24-2020, 11:13 AM
Love Commodore, but he's a brutal "Insiderrrrr"... just hucking a bunch of stuff at the wall, hoping a couple stick. Obviously take any of his "trades" with a huge grain of salt
Agreed, I usually unfollow him on Twitter about a week before the deadline every year
TheIronMaiden
02-24-2020, 11:13 AM
The hockey team is just a front!
.......is trade deadline always this strange?
In other years people were not as down on the Flames as they are now. This year, people are very frustrated with the team, and the trade deadline is just a microcosom of that. Additionally I think that a lot of people beleive that a single player can turn a seasona round. Also, has per usual, the people who are the most upset are the loudest, most people who are neutral satisfied don't have as much to say.
blankall
02-24-2020, 11:13 AM
Haven't you heard? Other GMs don't like working with him. He rubs them the wrong way!
That part is pretty funny, as it seems like lots of GMs want to work with the Flames. The problem is that they also want the Flames to give up valuable assets like Kylington, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, 1st round picks, etc....
GMs are in a business where they need to maximize their returns on all assets. The future of franchises worth 100s of millions of dollars depends on it. GMs will put business first.
You'd also be surprised how many of these guys are complete A-holes. At any high level of management like this, particularly in sports, you are going to end up with a distilled group of people who rub other people the wrong way habitually. That's kind of how you get ahead in these environments.
Back on topic. Any GM paying big money for FAs is making a massive mistake this season. The only good target was Hall. Arizona overpaid for him and still might miss the playoffs. He will definitely test the UFA market.
ComixZone
02-24-2020, 11:13 AM
Agreed, I usually unfollow him on Twitter about a week before the deadline every year
He had AA to Edmonton 20 minutes before it broke just now.
Makarov
02-24-2020, 11:14 AM
The only deal so far I would have liked BT to be in on was the Trochek one. But perhaps the Flames didn't have prospects similar to what the Canes offered. Or the Panthers asked for guys the Flames wouldn't move.
From a straight value POV that one seems like a missed opportunity.
The rest of the deals today though? Meh.
Agree. It hurts because Trochek would have, I think, been a really good fit on the second line.
blankall
02-24-2020, 11:15 AM
I'm curious as to what player(s) that people on here think the Flames should be acquiring? Who's available that's any good?
There's a bunch of crap like Simmonds circulating. Guys like Pageau are costing an arm and a leg.
Torture
02-24-2020, 11:16 AM
I'm curious as to what player(s) that people on here think the Flames should be acquiring? Who's available that's any good?
There's a bunch of crap like Simmonds circulating. Guys like Pageau are costing an arm and a leg.
A bunch of guys that aren't available.
...What do you think it would take to pry Crosby from the Pens? He'd look pretty good on the first line don't you think?
PepsiFree
02-24-2020, 11:16 AM
What ever happened to Stay Golden? I would love to hear his Tre rant
“So I poked him in the chest and said ‘think you’re smart BRADLEY? well not all of us are easily impressed’ and he stood there shaking.”
Or something like that, I’m sure.
keenan87
02-24-2020, 11:17 AM
I'm curious as to what player(s) that people on here think the Flames should be acquiring? Who's available that's any good?
There's a bunch of crap like Simmonds circulating. Guys like Pageau are costing an arm and a leg.
I want the Flames to sell not acquire. I would rather the Flames have a long-term vision and sell free agents like Brodie, Hamonic, Talbot.
Way better than standing pat especially because I do not believe this team will make the playoffs. Even if they do, they aren't going very far.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 11:17 AM
“So I poked him in the chest and said ‘think you’re smart BRADLEY? well not all of us are easily impressed’ and he stood there shaking.”
Or something like that, I’m sure.
God I've missed you
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 11:20 AM
I'm curious as to what player(s) that people on here think the Flames should be acquiring? Who's available that's any good?
There's a bunch of crap like Simmonds circulating. Guys like Pageau are costing an arm and a leg.
I'd take an arm and/or leg for brodie/hamonic please.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:21 AM
I want the Flames to sell not acquire. I would rather the Flames have a long-term vision and sell free agents like Brodie, Hamonic, Talbot.
Way better than standing pat especially because I do not believe this team will make the playoffs. Even if they do, they aren't going very far.
I'd like to see it too. Only problems are
-ownership likely saying they have to make the playoffs. Not the GMs fault, we all have to listen to our bosses. So with that, you can't really move Brodie unless both Hamonic and Gio are back immediately.
-Who's buying Hamonic? He's injured
-Talbot is an interesting one I hadn't really thought of. Who out there is looking at a goalie, Toronto and Carolina maybe?
blankall
02-24-2020, 11:21 AM
I want the Flames to sell not acquire. I would rather the Flames have a long-term vision and sell free agents like Brodie, Hamonic, Talbot.
Way better than standing pat especially because I do not believe this team will make the playoffs. Even if they do, they aren't going very far.
It's difficult for the Flames to move out either of Brodie/Hamonic, as they don't know what the plan will be moving forward for their defence. If they move out both for middling picks, they could find themselves in the off season needing to trade assets for another top 4 defenceman.
Unfortunately, the way things have worked out with injuries and play this year, just creates way too much uncertainty.
Edit: Also, Hamonic is injured. He's not tradeable. And trading Brodie is throwing in the towel. If the Flames win a single playoff series, people will be wanting to re-sign Brodie.
Textcritic
02-24-2020, 11:22 AM
I'd like to see it too. Only problems are
-ownership likely saying they have to make the playoffs. Not the GMs fault, we all have to listen to our bosses. So with that, you can't really move Brodie unless both Hamonic and Gio are back immediately.
-Who's buying Hamonic? He's injured
-Talbot is an interesting one I hadn't really thought of. Who out there is looking at a goalie, Toronto and Carolina maybe?Who plays goal in Calgary if Talbot is moved?
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Textcritic
02-24-2020, 11:23 AM
It's difficult for the Flames to move out either of Brodie/Hamonic, as they don't know what the plan will be moving forward for their defence. If they move out both for middling picks, they could find themselves in the off season needing to trade assets for another top 4 defenceman.
Unfortunately, the way things have worked out with injuries and play this year, just creates way too much uncertainty.Also, Brodie has a NTC which significantly limits what Treliving can do.
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btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:24 AM
Who plays goal in Calgary if Talbot is moved?
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Exactly. Keenan's point is probably who cares not like they're doing damage in the playoffs anyway. But in the real world that's not an option, Treliving can't just throw in the towel and ice a non competitive team for the sake of a 3rd round pick. THAT is the kind of thing that would get him fired
keenan87
02-24-2020, 11:26 AM
Exactly. Keenan's point is probably who cares not like they're doing damage in the playoffs anyway. But in the real world that's not an option, Treliving can't just throw in the towel and ice a non competitive team for the sake of a 3rd round pick. THAT is the kind of thing that would get him fired
Fair enough and that is my point... who cares.
As for the backup... Try Gillies? He has been here for so long, might as well figure out if he is worth keeping.
Torture
02-24-2020, 11:26 AM
Fair enough and that is my point... who cares.
As for the backup... Try Gillies? He has been here for so long, might as well figure out if he is worth keeping.
Except we already know the answer to that.
genetic_phreek
02-24-2020, 11:28 AM
Man it feels like a dark time to be a Flames fan this past year.
Core has career year to follow it up with playoff flop
This season trending close to career lows for Johnny/Mony
Tre trades Neal for Lucic and Neal having an "FU to the Flames" kind of year
Team coaching issues
Team has been shut out a million times
Plagued with injuries to prevent making trades
No direction or team identity
Beatdown by Oilers
Oilers ahead in standings
Oilers fans renewed hope
Draisatl leading league in points
Status quo again during trade deadline
GranteedEV
02-24-2020, 11:29 AM
I Also, Hamonic is injured. He's not tradeable.
Sure he is. You trade him for a conditional pick where if he plays x amount of playoff games you get a pick.
fire_starter
02-24-2020, 11:30 AM
Man it feels like a dark time to be a Flames fan this past year.
Core has career year to follow it up with playoff flop
This season trending close to career lows for Johnny/Mony
Tre trades Neal for Lucic and Neal having an "FU to the Flames" kind of year
Team coaching issues
Team has been shut out a million times
Plagued with injuries to prevent making trades
No direction or team identity
Beatdown by Oilers
Oilers ahead in standings
Oilers fans renewed hope
Draisatl leading league in points
Status quo again during trade deadline
And every team in division making moves.
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 11:30 AM
What is the story behind that pizza joint? [emoji848].
I’m not sure.
But the pizza ain’t that good. And they seem to have allot of construction workers in there
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TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 11:31 AM
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heep223
02-24-2020, 11:37 AM
How much cap space do the flames actually have right now?
I'm curious as to what player(s) that people on here think the Flames should be acquiring? Who's available that's any good?
There's a bunch of crap like Simmonds circulating. Guys like Pageau are costing an arm and a leg.
They should be selling we have two really good pieces in gaudreau and brodie that could really help turn the franchise around the writing should be on the wall that this year is pretty much done for this team. But brad will do absolutely nothing and this team will be stuck in the same gd infinite loop it has been stuck in forever
Joborule
02-24-2020, 11:43 AM
Guess Flames are gonna do nothing, and lose Brodie for nothing, while not playing hockey past April this season.
Great GM'ing this team has.
868904
02-24-2020, 11:44 AM
The smart thing for Tre is to bargain shop. Get good deals on depth guys.
We all know this.
Some of you are just getting caught up in the trade deadline hysteria.
mrdonkey
02-24-2020, 11:44 AM
The smart thing for Tre is to bargain shop. Get good deals on depth guys.
We all know this.
Some of you are just getting caught up in the trade deadline hysteria.
It’s worked out so well every other time!
ComixZone
02-24-2020, 11:45 AM
The smart thing for Tre is to bargain shop. Get good deals on depth guys.
We all know this.
Some of you are just getting caught up in the trade deadline hysteria.
I don't think most of us are caught up in deadline hysteria, I think most of us are frustrated with Treliving's inability to execute and improve this team for a lengthy, lengthy period of time and not doing anything today will extend that futility into at least June.
Elkyiv
02-24-2020, 11:45 AM
is Fantenburg available?
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:45 AM
Guess Flames are gonna do nothing, and lose Brodie for nothing, while not playing hockey past April this season.
Great GM'ing this team has.
Don't blame a GM when it's clear it's an issue coming from the top
Manhattanboy
02-24-2020, 11:46 AM
Yup prudent thing for Tre to do is stand pat.
Calgary Flames, prudent for 40 years and counting.
So hard to be a fan right now.
Vinny01
02-24-2020, 11:46 AM
How many balls can Brad still have in the air?
Looch City
02-24-2020, 11:47 AM
Don't blame a GM when it's clear it's an issue coming from the top
Wasn't this the issue last season too where they needed multiple levels of approval before going ahead?
How many balls can Brad still have in the air?
How good is he at handstands?
flames_fan_down_under
02-24-2020, 11:47 AM
Man it feels like a dark time to be a Flames fan this past year.
Core has career year to follow it up with playoff flop
This season trending close to career lows for Johnny/Mony
Tre trades Neal for Lucic and Neal having an "FU to the Flames" kind of year
Team coaching issues
Team has been shut out a million times
Plagued with injuries to prevent making trades
No direction or team identity
Beatdown by Oilers
Oilers ahead in standings
Oilers fans renewed hope
Draisatl leading league in points
Status quo again during trade deadline
I don't know.
This team has a rich history of mediocrity, and while this current iteration certainly has not deviated from that organizational ethos, I don't see this season as really standing out one way or the other in terms of disappointment. Pretty typical Flames season.
Brick
02-24-2020, 11:47 AM
How much cap space do the flames actually have right now?
I think that it is around 3 million.
PaperBagger'14
02-24-2020, 11:47 AM
Has anyone heard if Ben "Worf" Hanowski is still available?
agulati
02-24-2020, 11:48 AM
Wasn't this the issue last season too where they needed multiple levels of approval before going ahead?
That is what held up the Zucker deal I believe.
stone hands
02-24-2020, 11:48 AM
tre making any acquisitions today: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WE SHOULD BE SELLING THIS TEAM IS GARBAGE AND CANT WIN
tre not making any moves today: REEEEEEEEEEEE WHY DOES OUR GM NEVER DO ANYTHING
GullFoss
02-24-2020, 11:48 AM
Im starting to wonder if Tre thinks the deadline is next monday.
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 11:48 AM
How many balls can Brad still have in the air?
I dunno, but so far it appears the number would have to start at -2.
mrdonkey
02-24-2020, 11:49 AM
Im starting to wonder if Tre thinks the deadline is next monday.
I’m starting to wonder if this team has a very serious ownership problem.
Manhattanboy
02-24-2020, 11:49 AM
I hear that Tre has been in on all of the trades.
genetic_phreek
02-24-2020, 11:50 AM
I don't know.
This team has a rich history of mediocrity, and while this current iteration certainly has not deviated from that organizational ethos, I don't see this season as really standing out one way or the other in terms of disappointment. Pretty typical Flames season.
Agree but at least there has been a glimpse of hope. Even the "cardiac kids" season or last season prior to playoffs, that was fun. I just don't feel like it's fun to be a fan right now.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:50 AM
Wasn't this the issue last season too where they needed multiple levels of approval before going ahead?
Always been an issue as far as I know, then it was rumoured he negotiated more autonomy is his new contract then there was a rumour that that wasn't the case
Either way it really seems the directive from ownership right now is make the playoffs. Pretty hard for Treliving to do that while also being a deadline seller when in the first wildcard spot with a 3 point gap from 2nd in the division.
I'd love for Calgary to be sellers too but don't see how it's realistic. Again, the D injuries really screwed it
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 11:50 AM
I think that it is around 3 million.
I thought it was closer to 4.6.
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GullFoss
02-24-2020, 11:51 AM
In the trade scenario where the flames are trying to trade for Kopitar, this is the time during which Tre is trying to convince Kopitar to waive his no move clause.
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 11:51 AM
I thought Treliving's extension was all about finally giving him the autonomy to actually GM the team?
Flash Walken
02-24-2020, 11:52 AM
I thought Treliving's extension was all about finally giving him the autonomy to actually GM the team?
No, that was the previous extension.
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 11:53 AM
No, that was the previous extension.
Holy ####, so this is what extended-autonomy looks like?
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:53 AM
Plus who knows what more autonomy means. It's become pretty clear that it's still far from full autonomy.
I think people's frustrations with Treliving are misdirected. Should be at meddling ownership
JurassicTunga12
02-24-2020, 11:54 AM
https://i.imgur.com/VUlwGRF.jpg
GranteedEV
02-24-2020, 11:54 AM
In the trade scenario where the flames are trying to trade for Kopitar, this is the time during which Tre is trying to convince Kopitar to waive his no move clause.
I love Kopitar. If you combined everything good about Backlund and Monahan and then made that player impossible to knock off the puck, this guy is what you'd have.
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 11:54 AM
I find it interesting that the flames/leafs have been relatively quiet (completely mute in the flames case).
Wonder if there is anything stirring there?!
Johnhitbox
02-24-2020, 11:55 AM
Plus who knows what more autonomy means. It's become pretty clear that it's still far from full autonomy.
I think people's frustrations with Treliving are misdirected. Should be at meddling ownership
Yeah, I’m guilty of that.
BT probably wants to do more, but ownership has always been stingy with pay.
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keenan87
02-24-2020, 11:55 AM
Plus who knows what more autonomy means. It's become pretty clear that it's still far from full autonomy.
I think people's frustrations with Treliving are misdirected. Should be at meddling ownership
Could be. But didn't Sutter have a lot more autonomy? It didn't end well though
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 11:55 AM
I find it interesting that the flames/leafs have been relatively quiet (completely mute in the flames case).
Wonder if there is anything stirring there?!
Doubt it. The Flames haven't acquired anyone of note at the deadline in 11 years.
It's painfully frustrating to be a fan of this team sometimes.
djsFlames
02-24-2020, 11:56 AM
Palmieri / Hoffman are out there
Oilers make an aggressive move, a potential trigger point
This ain't over.
btimbit
02-24-2020, 11:56 AM
Could be. But didn't Sutter have a lot more autonomy? It didn't end well though
Likely but he also wasn't a very good GM
genetic_phreek
02-24-2020, 11:57 AM
Palmieri / Hoffman are out there.
This ain't over.
If we acquire Palmieri, I am 100% certain that we lose that deal.
FanIn80
02-24-2020, 11:57 AM
Yeah, I’m guilty of that.
BT probably wants to do more, but ownership has always been stingy with pay.
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Except that we're a cap-ceiling team, not a cap-floor team. A team with cheap ownership doesn't spend to the ceiling.
Hey Connor, It's Mess
02-24-2020, 11:57 AM
I guess nothing made sense today.
soulchoice
02-24-2020, 12:01 PM
I thought it was closer to 4.6.
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Pro rated it wouldn’t be 4.6. The 4.6 would be the contract amount for a player per se if we acquire a player.
The 3 million would be the cap space added as a result of the Frolik trade I presume.
JurassicTunga12
02-24-2020, 12:07 PM
Ok. 2 defensemen.
Can we get a forward now? thx.
TheScorpion
02-24-2020, 12:12 PM
Hey they did something!!
Weird, this is the first trade deadline where I like SN's coverage better than TSN. Am I in the twilight zone or have I gone insane? :blink:
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 12:18 PM
Ok Brad, I can see the logic in these moves if it frees you up, defensively, now to maximize on a Brodie move!
Or at least recoup something from a Hamonic move.
Vinny01
02-24-2020, 12:18 PM
Feels like flames are going to trade a Dman for a forward.
Janko and Brodie for Kapanen
Barrie for the Canucks for stuff (SN speculates that deal is close)
bubbsy
02-24-2020, 12:19 PM
We're getting Kapanen.
I can feel it.
calgarygeologist
02-24-2020, 12:20 PM
Surprisingly good trade deadline in terms of volume and moves so far. I like it. Sounds like a few more big deals are anticipated before things wrap up this afternoon.
djsFlames
02-24-2020, 12:21 PM
We're speculating a defense for forward move, but if someone will pay a 1st for Brodie because of this market I would be pretty ecstatic with that also (IF the chances of re-signing TJ were slim).
GullFoss
02-24-2020, 12:24 PM
My speculation: Calgary will announce something big at 1pm with either Toronto, Anaheim or LAK
Giordano Brodie
Gustafsson Andersson
Kylington Hamonic
Valimaki
sureLoss
02-24-2020, 12:27 PM
Ryan Leslie @SNryanleslie
Flames may not be done. Still working the phones.
mrdonkey
02-24-2020, 12:28 PM
Ryan Leslie @SNryanleslie
Flames may not be done. Still working the phones.
Methinks Brodie is gone.
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