2015/2016 Waiver Wire

[jschick88]

Waivers will be busy today. Officially teams can put players on waivers starting today.

Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 5 minutes ago
The #Flyers have placed the following players on waivers: Tim Brent, Chris Conner, Davis Drewiske, Jason LaBarbera, and Aaron Palushaj.

[FlamesAddiction]

A lot teams will probably be trying to take advantage of the flooderdwaiver wire to sneak a player down too.

[Coach]

Always interested in who hits the wire. Usually a few surprises.

[squiggs96]

A lot teams will probably be trying to take advantage of the flooder waiver wire to sneak a player down too.

Is this something people think could actually happen? Each team spends hundreds of millions of dollars each year on salaries for players, coaches, scouts, trainers, game day employees, and admin staff. There are people hired by teams just to look at the cap. Some teams have specialists that plan the team's sleep schedule, including whether to stay in town the night of the game, or fly to the next city the next morning.

Are you trying to tell me, that with all the resources, personnel, and technology at each team's disposal, that teams think they can sneak someone through. Once players are on the waiver wire, they have 24 hours to be claimed. Are you saying that teams might not check it, or that they'd look at the list and say, "There are too many names today. I think I'll just check to see if Crosby is on it"? There are likely entire groups in each team that looks over each player that is placed on waivers. Sure there are more players to go through, but that's their job. This isn't a fantasy game they play on the side and have their selections set to autopick.

[agulati]

Is this something people think could actually happen? Each team spends hundreds of millions of dollars each year on salaries for players, coaches, scouts, trainers, game day employees, and admin staff. There are people hired by teams just to look at the cap. Some teams have specialists that plan the team's sleep schedule, including whether to stay in town the night of the game, or fly to the next city the next morning.

Are you trying to tell me, that with all the resources, personnel, and technology at each team's disposal, that teams think they can sneak someone through. Once players are on the waiver wire, they have 24 hours to be claimed. Are you saying that teams might not check it, or that they'd look at the list and say, "There are too many names today. I think I'll just check to see if Crosby is on it"? There are likely entire groups in each team that looks over each player that is placed on waivers. Sure there are more players to go through, but that's their job. This isn't a fantasy game they play on the side and have their selections set to autopick.

I think the reasoning is that many teams will have full squads currently and some players who might have gotten picked up mid season or later in training camp due to team's suffering injuries, might be able to pass through right now

[sureLoss]

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: BRANDON DEFAZIO
BOS
CHRISTOPHER BREEN
BOS
DAN KELLY
N.J
YANN DANIS
N.J

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: PETER HARROLD
STL
ANDRE BENOIT
STL
COREY TROPP
CHI
GREG MCKEGG
FLA
JEREMY MORIN
CHI

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: BRETT OLSON
FLA
ZACK PHILLIPS
BOS
BRENT REGNER
FLA
CAMERON GAUNCE
FLA
MIKE MCKENNA
FLA
ERIC SELLECK
ARI
DUSTIN JEFFREY
ARI

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: JUSTIN SHUGG
CAR
RASMUS RISSANEN
CAR
T.J. HENSICK
CAR
ZACH BOYCHUK
CAR
FREDDIE HAMILTON
COL
MATHEW CLARK
COL
JEREMY WELSH
STL

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: CHRIS CONNER
PHI
$7,500
JOHN MCFARLAND
FLA
ROB FLICK
FLA
SENA ACOLATSE
FLA
TIM BRENT
PHI
AUSTIN MADAISKY
CBJ
JAIME SIFERS
CBJ

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: DANNY KRISTO
STL
JUSTIN HODGMAN
STL
PATRICK CANNONE
STL
CODY BEACH
STL
RICHARD BACHMAN
VAN

[Oil Stain]

I think the reasoning is that many teams will have full squads currently and some players who might have gotten picked up mid season or later in training camp due to team's suffering injuries, might be able to pass through right now

The other reasoning would be, if a team is looking for a left wing, there might be 6 passable ones on the wire at the same time.

So you may have a better chance of another team's player getting picked up instead of yours than if you are the only team placing someone on waivers.

[sureLoss]

Peter Harling @pharling
Players of note on waivers
Zachary Boychuck
Freddie Hamilton
Jeremy Welsh
John McFarland
Corey Tropp
Jeremy Morin
Gregg McKegg

[FlamesAddiction]

Is this something people think could actually happen? Each team spends hundreds of millions of dollars each year on salaries for players, coaches, scouts, trainers, game day employees, and admin staff. There are people hired by teams just to look at the cap. Some teams have specialists that plan the team's sleep schedule, including whether to stay in town the night of the game, or fly to the next city the next morning.

Are you trying to tell me, that with all the resources, personnel, and technology at each team's disposal, that teams think they can sneak someone through. Once players are on the waiver wire, they have 24 hours to be claimed. Are you saying that teams might not check it, or that they'd look at the list and say, "There are too many names today. I think I'll just check to see if Crosby is on it"? There are likely entire groups in each team that looks over each player that is placed on waivers. Sure there are more players to go through, but that's their job. This isn't a fantasy game they play on the side and have their selections set to autopick.




If a team needs a defenseman and there are already 5 on waivers, the chance of your guy being picked up is reduced. It's simple supply and demand.

A guy that would likely get picked up on most days, could sneak through when there is more choice for teams looking to fill gaps.

[skudr248]

Jeremy Morin? What happened with this guy

[Split98]

Weren't people around here really into Jeremy Morin at one point?

[Locke]

Peter Harling @pharling
Players of note on waivers
Zachary Boychuck
Freddie Hamilton
Jeremy Welsh
John McFarland
Corey Tropp
Jeremy Morin
Gregg McKegg

Its a shame Cliff Fletcher isnt a GM still.

"Boychuk AND Hamilton? This is our year baby!"

[Parallex]

Jeremy Morin? What happened with this guy

Dunno,

What happened with Jamie Lundmark? Probably the same thing.

[sureLoss]

Weren't people around here really into Jeremy Morin at one point?



Yes. Some scouts considered him one of the top offensive talents in his draft class. However, he can't seem to put it together at the NHL level.

Quenneville doesn't like his 2 way play and limits his ice time. Kind of similar to Baertschi.

[Diemenz]

Jeremy Morin? What happened with this guy

Concussion issues. From what I saw of him he is a power forward that can't skate well enough to be an NHLer.

[JJ1532]

If a team needs a defenseman and there are already 5 on waivers, the chance of your guy being picked up is reduced. It's simple supply and demand.

A guy that would likely get picked up on most days, could sneak through when there is more choice for teams looking to fill gaps. I agree. Plus, teams are probably more content with the players they currently have so aren't that bothered about waivers. They'll have their roster locks, young guys trying to make the team, PTOs etc. More than enough for the time being. But fast forward a month, 2 months etc and they'll be spots opening up due to injuries, form and so on. So a player that gets down now might not do in a few weeks time.

[FBI]

I guess Breen hasn't turned into Chara yet!

[dissentowner]

Came looking for Mason Raymond, leaving disappointed.

[Caged Great]

Morin should be the only one that has a possibility to get claimed and I doubt that'll happen.

[Knut]

Danny Kristo was once pretty highly thought of as well.

[FlameZilla]

I was into Morin a year or two ago.

At 24 he could still have potential, and the cost to acquire is about right.

[Locke]

I was into Morin a year or two ago.

At 24 he could still have potential, and the cost to acquire is about right.

Nothing? Do we not have players already that are better?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I was into Morin a year or two ago.

At 24 he could still have potential, and the cost to acquire is about right.

But then who would you exchange him for on the roster? That is where the sticking point comes in. You have to play him in the NHL, or he needs to be put back on waivers before you can assign him to Stockton.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Came looking for Mason Raymond, leaving disappointed.
You are cheering for the wrong thing. Ideal situation: Mason Raymond starts to play great hockey for us, while at the same time, our younger talent continues to progress and challenges him for his spot even with his improved play.

Allowing us, to trade him for value, versus losing him for nothing or having him hang out in northern Cali.

[dissentowner]

You are cheering for the wrong thing. Ideal situation: Mason Raymond starts to play great hockey for us, while at the same time, our younger talent continues to progress and challenges him for his spot even with his improved play.

Allowing us, to trade him for value, versus losing him for nothing or having him hang out in northern Cali.

The ideal situation is unrealistic though. Everyone who thinks Mason Raymond is going to come into the season and play great hockey raise your hand. Mr. I did nothing in the offseason different to prepare...

[dammage79]

Morin should be the only one that has a possibility to get claimed and I doubt that'll happen.

Zach Boychuk will get claimed and waived at least twice this season, such is his track record every year.

[FlameZilla]

But then who would you exchange him for on the roster? That is where the sticking point comes in. You have to play him in the NHL, or he needs to be put back on waivers before you can assign him to Stockton.

Raymond? Beyond that I'd say the inn is full.

I believe he'll be picked up but probably not by us. Granlund/Shore/Byron/Jooris/Arnold/Poirier are practically kicking down the door for roster spots & we won't be able to accommodate all of them. Someone will have room for Morin, though.

[jschick88]

Saturday, September 26

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 7 minutes ago
Waivers: JAMES WRIGHT
NYI
JOE WHITNEY
NYI
KEVIN POULIN
NYI
BRACKEN KEARNS
NYI
BEN HOLMSTROM
NYI
MIKE HALMO
NYI
JUSTIN FLOREK
NYI

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 6 minutes ago
Waivers:TAYLOR BECK
NYI
TRAVIS MORIN
DAL
MAXWELL REINHART
NSH
TAYLOR ARONSON
NSH
ANDREW CRESCENZI
L.A
MAREK HRIVIK
NYR

[868904]

I guess the Flames aren't getting a draft pick for Max Power.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I guess the Flames aren't getting a draft pick for Max Power.

I don't think they've released the conditions of the trade but if I had to bet it would revolve around whether or not Reinhart actually gets claimed.

[kyuss275]

I don't think they've released the conditions of the trade but if I had to bet it would revolve around whether or not Reinhart actually gets claimed.

I doubt it. The conditions were probably about making Nashville roster. Not about Reinhart making the NHL with another club.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I doubt it. The conditions were probably about making Nashville roster. Not about Reinhart making the NHL with another club.
That's not what I meant. I meant if Nashville loses him for nothing, Calgary doesn't get the pick. Makes more sense than Reinhart actually making the team as Poile has already stated he expects Max to start the season as the #2 center on their AHL team, behind Colton Sissons

[Alberta_Beef]

I doubt it. The conditions were probably about making Nashville roster. Not about Reinhart making the NHL with another club.Millions (I think it was Millions) speculated it was based on Reinhart re-signing with the Predators and when asked about the conditions of the pick Treliving said without hesitation we will be getting a 4th round pick, leading one to believe that it was a condition that would be very easily met.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Millions (I think it was Millions) speculated it was based on Reinhart re-signing with the Predators and when asked about the conditions of the pick Treliving said without hesitation we will be getting a 4th round pick, leading one to believe that it was a condition that would be very easily met.

That makes more sense. He would have been a really long shot to make the team. If that is the condition, it is hardly worth the trade.

[GranteedEV]

You are cheering for the wrong thing. Ideal situation: Mason Raymond starts to play great hockey for us, while at the same time, our younger talent continues to progress and challenges him for his spot even with his improved play.

Even More Ideal Situation: Raymond has an injury that isn't career-ending, but takes exactly 18 months to recover, allowing him to last on LTIR and not have a significant cap hit until the end of the 2017 regular season and then return as lovable hometown hero Mason Raymond to score the Cup Winning goal and vindicate his contract.

[sureLoss]

Millions (I think it was Millions) speculated it was based on Reinhart re-signing with the Predators and when asked about the conditions of the pick Treliving said without hesitation we will be getting a 4th round pick, leading one to believe that it was a condition that would be very easily met.

That is not what I recall.

I recall right after the trade was made that Treliving would not give out the conditions and on 960 Pinder asked him straight up if the Flames were for sure getting a 4th round pick that could be upgraded or if a certain conditions needed to be met to get the 4th otherwise the Flames get nothing. Treliving indicated the latter.

[Alberta_Beef]

That is not what I recall.

I recall right after the trade was made that Treliving would not give out the conditions and on 960 Pinder asked him straight up if the Flames were for sure getting a 4th round pick that could be upgraded or if a certain conditions needed to be met to get the 4th otherwise the Flames get nothing. Treliving indicated the latter.I think I just heard a summary later in the day. I must have misheard.

[sureLoss]

Lightning claim a goalie

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
Kevin Poulin was claimed on waivers by the Lightning. #Isles

[devo22]

Lightning claim a goalie

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
Kevin Poulin was claimed on waivers by the Lightning. #Isles
surprising. Thought they'd either sign Emery or trust Gudlevskis as backup until Vasilevski is back.

[kyuss275]

Lightning claim a goalie

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
Kevin Poulin was claimed on waivers by the Lightning. #Isles


This could be good news for the flames. Looks like Lightning are grasping at straws to find a back-up. Now the question is would the Lightning be able to afford the cap space on taking a Hiller or Ramo? At 50% off its still $2.25 million and $1.9 million. Thats not chump change for a back-up who won't play that much. Bishop is probably going to play 60-65 games. Not to mention they will get their back-up back from injury in Decmeber, who they are high on. Then what do they do?

[devo22]

This could be good news for the flames. Looks like Lightning are grasping at straws to find a back-up. Now the question is would the Lightning be able to afford the cap space on taking a Hiller or Ramo? At 50% off its still $2.25 million and $1.9 million. Thats not chump change for a back-up who won't play that much. Bishop is probably going to play 60-65 games. Not to mention they will get their back-up back from injury in Decmeber, who they are high on. Then what do they do?
once the season starts and Ohlund goes to LTIR, they'd have the cap space to do it. Poulin is a decent enough backup and all things considered a much better option though - when Vasilevski comes back, you just waive him or even flip him for a pick if he's playing well. Certainly a better option than an expensive Hiller/Ramo.

[sureLoss]

so many former Flames for Sunday September 27

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: JERRY D'AMIGO
BUF
BEN STREET
COL
DEREK GRANT
CGY
TURNER ELSON
CGY
HARRY ZOLNIERCZYK
ANA
BRIAN MCGRATTAN
ANA
BRANDON BURLON
N.J

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: JOE PISKULA
ANA
PAUL THOMPSON
N.J
MICHAEL SISLO
N.J
SHANE O'BRIEN
ANA
JAMES O'BRIEN
N.J
PIERRE-LUC LETOURNEAU-LEBLOND
N.J

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: CHRIS SUMMERS
NYR
BRIAN GIBBONS
NYR
RYAN BOURQUE
NYR
LUKE ADAM
NYR
PHILIPPE PARADIS
T.B
MICHAEL BLUNDEN
T.B

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: MATT TAORMINA
T.B
TYE MCGINN
T.B
JEFF TAMBELLINI
T.B
COLE SCHNEIDER
OTT
PATRICK MULLEN
OTT
DAVE DZIURZYNSKI
OTT

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: BLAIR JONES
VAN
ALEX FRIESEN
VAN
JOHN MCCARTHY
S.J
MICHEAL HALEY
S.J
KARL STOLLERY
S.J
BRYAN LERG
S.J
AARON DELL
S.J

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: MARK CUNDARI
S.J
ERNEST SCHILLING
CHI
BRANDON MASHINTER
CHI
BRETT GALLANT
CBJ
JARED KNIGHT
MIN
BRETT SUTTER
MIN
ZAC DALPE
MIN

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: RUSLAN FEDOTENKO
MIN
TYLER PITLICK
EDM
ANDREW MILLER
EDM
BRAD HUNT
EDM
RYAN HAMILTON
EDM
BRENDAN SHINNIMIN
ARI
CRAIG CUNNINGHAM
ARI

[Montek]

so many former Flames for Sunday September 27

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: JERRY D'AMIGO
BUF
BEN STREET
COL
DEREK GRANT
CGY
TURNER ELSON
CGY
HARRY ZOLNIERCZYK
ANA
BRIAN MCGRATTAN
ANA
BRANDON BURLON
N.J

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: JOE PISKULA
ANA
PAUL THOMPSON
N.J
MICHAEL SISLO
N.J
SHANE O'BRIEN
ANA
JAMES O'BRIEN
N.J
PIERRE-LUC LETOURNEAU-LEBLOND
N.J

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: CHRIS SUMMERS
NYR
BRIAN GIBBONS
NYR
RYAN BOURQUE
NYR
LUKE ADAM
NYR
PHILIPPE PARADIS
T.B
MICHAEL BLUNDEN
T.B

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: MATT TAORMINA
T.B
TYE MCGINN
T.B
JEFF TAMBELLINI
T.B
COLE SCHNEIDER
OTT
PATRICK MULLEN
OTT
DAVE DZIURZYNSKI
OTT
And Piskula

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[The Original FFIV]

Remember how many of us were pissed over not getting Luke Adam from Buffalo in the Regehr deal? Went ufa this year and on waivers this am. Not many of us would have predicted Byron would have turned out to be the better pro but that's the case.

[Heavy Jack]

Iogged in to say just that. Insane how mad people were back then only to see Byron at this point being a lot more serviceable at the NHL level in comparison to Adam.

[Heavy Jack]

Wow that's Joey Mullen's kid there. Definitely doesn't have those same hands haha!

[Heavy Jack]

Brian Gibbons looks to be another one of the many tiny small skilled wingers that have come out of Boston College but plays with more edge to his game and less skill than the Gadreau's and Gionta's. Would be an interesting flyer to take, he wasn't invisible with Pittsburgh a couple of years ago. I think someone will grab him.

[IgiTang]

Alot of former flames being waived. An I dicator as to how weak our farm system and to a lesser extent our bottom 6 really was a few years back?

[MissTeeks]

Both Glencross and Setoguchi were released by the Leafs:

@markhmasters: Leafs release Curtis Glencross and Devin Setoguchi from PTOs

[calumniate]

Pierre luc letourneau Leblond!

[pgsieve]

Sad to hear about McGrattan. Hope he takes my make believe offer to work in the front office with the Flames

[druetetective]

Remember how many of us were pissed over not getting Luke Adam from Buffalo in the Regehr deal? Went ufa this year and on waivers this am. Not many of us would have predicted Byron would have turned out to be the better pro but that's the case.

He was placed on waivers last year as well.

In our defense though that was the year after he won AHL rookie of the year, putting up 62 points in 57 games.

[devo22]

He was placed on waivers last year as well.

In our defense though that was the year after he won AHL rookie of the year, putting up 62 points in 57 games.
also had a decent NHL season afterwards, although he obviously benefitted from centering a line with Vanek and Pominville. Also thought he'd be good enough to be an NHL regular, but he obviously failed to take the next step. Who knows what would have happened if he was included in the trade instead of Byron ...

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Saw a couple tweets that mentioned there's a good chance Tinordi will not make the Habs out of camp and will have to clear waivers. I imagine he'd be picked up.

[Poe969]

Wow. I thought Tinordi was supposed to be really good. I don't know what would happen if he was traded, would he still have to go through waivers unless he makes the team or could a team trade for him then demote him? From what I remember, he was big, mean and not terrible at offense. I think he might just be a late bloomer.

He could be complete garbage though, I'm just going from what I remember.

[868904]

Sad to hear about McGrattan. Hope he takes my make believe offer to work in the front office with the Flames

I don't think he had any expectation of not being put on waivers. Especially on a team like that. I remember reading an article saying he was looking forward to spending his winters in San Diego (or wherever the Ducks farm team is) and playing hockey.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think this is the first year in countless years where I am not hovering over the waiver wire waiting for some great player to fall through the cracks and get picked up by the Flames. So this is what it means to cheer for a team that has an abundance of young talent forcing their way onto the team!

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think this is the first year in countless years where I am not hovering over the waiver wire waiting for some great player to fall through the cracks and get picked up by the Flames. So this is what it means to cheer for a team that has an abundance of young talent forcing their way onto the team!

Yup, the talent balance has shifted for sure. No need to look for the next Comeau, that is for sure.

More excited about the next few preseason games, where actual lines might start to take form. Now regretting giving those tickets away (especially if that means we are stuck with streaming!:()

[Jackpot_Smooth]

Saw a couple tweets that mentioned there's a good chance Tinordi will not make the Habs out of camp and will have to clear waivers. I imagine he'd be picked up.

I think the emergence of Bealieau (sp?) pushed him down the depth chart. I always thought the flames might target him as a sort of reclamation.

[sureLoss]

Tim Wharnsby @TimWharnsby
All cleared Waivers from yesterday. Waivers of note today: Magnus Paajarvi #stlblues

[FBI]

Tim Wharnsby @TimWharnsby
All cleared Waivers from yesterday. Waivers of note today: Magnus Paajarvi #stlblues

Go for it oilers! MPS has the skillz

[SuperMatt18]

I actually liked the MPS pick at the time and thought he'd be good.

Another guy the Oilers rushed into their NHL lineup, had his best season as a rookie, the team failed to develop any further, and then washed out.

[GranteedEV]

Interestingly, it seems they've developed Anton Lander well, their 2nd rounder from the draft where they took MPS. Became their #2C last year (lol) and had a hat trick last night.

[SuperMatt18]

Interestingly, it seems they've developed Anton Lander well, their 2nd rounder from the draft where they took MPS. Became their #2C last year (lol) and had a hat trick last night.

Yeah they turned that one around.

Almost rushed him to the league to early too when he played 56 games in 11/12, but the limited his NHL stints after that and give him lots of time to develop in the AHL.

Will be a decent 3rd line option for them IMO.

[sureLoss]

Full list:

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: CHRIS PORTER
PHI
COLIN MCDONALD
PHI
CODY BASS
NSH
DOMINIK UHER
PIT
KAEL MOUILLIERAT
PIT
STEVE OLEKSY
PIT

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: CHRIS BUTLER
STL
MAGNUS PAAJARVI-SVENSSON
STL
REID MCNEILL
PIT
WILL O'NEILL
PIT

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
Waivers: ZACHERY STORTINI
OTT
ERIC O'DELL
OTT
MICHAEL KOSTKA
OTT
FREDRIK CLAESSON
OTT
MAXIM NOREAU
COL
JOEY HISHON
COL

[codynw]

Hahaha, why does Zack Stortini still have a contract?

[Poe969]

How in the world is Butler on waivers? Did they try him with Bouwmeester?

[Flames89]

Do any teams ever poach other players on waivers before the season? It seems like an unwritten code amongst GMs to stand aside.

[sureLoss]

Do any teams ever poach other players on waivers before the season? It seems like an unwritten code amongst GMs to stand aside.

We already had 1 this season. The Lightning claimed Poulin from the Islanders a few days ago.

[Resolute 14]

Do any teams ever poach other players on waivers before the season? It seems like an unwritten code amongst GMs to stand aside.

Most teams are healthy, have full rosters and the guys being waived are marginal. You only really see claims if a team has a sudden hole due to injury - as happened with Tampa - or if someone who is a clear upgrade drops onto the wire.

[Coach]

Between the waiver wire over the last few days, and the Avalanche game, it really shows just what type of rough shape the Flames were in not long ago. Thank you Jay Feaster, thank you Brian Burke, thank you Brad Treliving, thank you Bob Hartley, thank you Mark Giordano.

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MIN claims Chris Porter

[josef]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MIN claims Chris Porter

zach parise claimed him ;)

Porter is close friends with University of North Dakota teammate and current NHL star of the Minnesota Wild, Zach Parise. He acted as best man at Parise's wedding as Parise did for him

[Strange Brew]

Butler on waivers. Not shocking.

But my God, what the hell were we doing.

[devo22]

short list today. Corey Potter among them.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Potter (ARI), Gragnani (NJ), K Porter and Warsofsky (PIT), Aubry (DET), Nikitin (EDM), Tangradi (DET) and Akeson (BUF) on waivers today.

[Mike F]

short list today. Corey Potter among them.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Potter (ARI), Gragnani (NJ), K Porter and Warsofsky (PIT), Aubry (DET), Nikitin (EDM), Tangradi (DET) and Akeson (BUF) on waivers today.
In Potter's case, it's actually not a completely negative sign - he earned a contract with Arizona (http://www.wyff4.com/sports/coyotes-sign-d-potter/35625328) based on his camp, but will start the year in the AHL.

[GranteedEV]

off-topic, but not worth a thread...

Know who wasn't on waivers and is one of the final 23 players on his team?

Tim Erixon. (http://penguins.nhl.com/v2/ext/2015-16%20Training%20Camp%20Roster%20(10-3%20Update).pdf)

[getbak]

off-topic, but not worth a thread...

Know who wasn't on waivers and is one of the final 23 players on his team?

Tim Erixon. (http://penguins.nhl.com/v2/ext/2015-16%20Training%20Camp%20Roster%20(10-3%20Update).pdf)

8 Defencemen. I wonder how much he'll play?

[drewtastic]

8 Defencemen. I wonder how much he'll play?

Yeah-my question too.

Got to wonder if this is a sign of Pittsburgh's recent difficulties with depth in their lineup.

I'm actually not taking as deep of a swipe at Erixon as tends to occur, but, given that he's struggled for so long with so many different teams to be an NHL regular, you wonder if he'll EVER stick ANYWHERE...and if this is more representative of Pittsburgh attempting to throw a few D-Men into the opening roster to see who maybe surprises...

[sureLoss]

Some buzz out there Flyers are considering putting Luke Schenn on waivers

[dissentowner]

Some buzz out there Flyers are considering putting Luke Schenn on waivers

Pierre McGuire will claim him.:bag:

[Knut]

Wait... did Sprong make the Pens ? or is he injured.

[devo22]

Wait... did Sprong make the Pens ? or is he injured.
he made the team. Had a fantastic camp apparently.

[AC]

The Pens have 8+15+2 = 25 players still, who's injured?

[GranteedEV]

The Pens have 8+15+2 = 25 players still, who's injured?

Fehr and Kuhnhackl.

[mrdonkey]

Sounds like Diaz is heading back to Europe.

http://www.swisshockeynews.ch/index.php/int/na/13-nhl/4501-raphael-diaz-aims-at-a-return-to-europe-rather-than-playing-in-the-ahl

[dammage79]

NM- wrong Thread.

[kyuss275]

Is there a time limit on when a team can put a player on waivers for today? Say like noon. Or are they allowed to put players on waivers at any time during the day, and waiver wire time limit to claim is 12:00 noon eastern time the next day?

[devo22]

Is there a time limit on when a team can put a player on waivers for today? Say like noon. Or are they allowed to put players on waivers at any time during the day, and waiver wire time limit to claim is 12:00 noon eastern time the next day?
always noon (Eastern time), both for waiving and claiming a player.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
DET has Lashoff, Callahan and Miele on waivers today. I'll be curious to see if one or more of them is claimed. Wouldn't be surprised.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
CBJ has Bodnarchuk, Falk and Chaput on waivers. Cal O'Reilly for BUF also on waivers. Everyone on waivers yesterday cleared.

[kyuss275]

always noon (Eastern time), both for waiving and claiming a player.

Thought today would be the day the flames waived Raymond. I guess he is staying up with the big club for a little longer.

[sureLoss]

Tomorrow is the last day to put players on waivers for the purposes of re-assignment before the roster has to be at 23 players on Tuesday at 5pm ET

[Finger Cookin]

Wouldn't a player assigned tomorrow clear at noon ET on Tuesday, 5 hours before the roster deadline?

[kyuss275]

Wouldn't a player assigned tomorrow clear at noon ET on Tuesday, 5 hours before the roster deadline?

Yeah. It would make sense if a team is trying to sneak a player down that they would wait until tomorrow to put him on waivers. As for a player like Raymond you would think you would want to do it as soon as possible. Bahhh don't see Raymond being waived. Hope this does not mean Grandlund gets sent down. Not a good message from the management.

[Fire]

I really thought Raymond was going to get waived, but I guess the injuries save him for now. Plus his last game was solid.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I would much rather have Raymond as the 13/14th forward rather than a player with actual potential like Granlund, Shore or even Hathaway. I don't get why people are so offended by his presence, other than the "potential" cap implications beyond this year.

[kyuss275]

I would much rather have Raymond as the 13/14th forward rather than a player with actual potential like Granlund, Shore or even Hathaway. I don't get why people are so offended by his presence, other than the "potential" cap implications beyond this year.

For me it's not that i care if he is the pressbox guy for most of the season , it's management saying all summer that if you play well in pre-season you make the team. Granlund and even Byron ( only available for the last quarter of pre-season) out played Raymond. I get that Granlund can be sent down , but i have to think it would piss him off. There's a big difference in salary for a player like him being sent down. Not sure who they will send down between Granlund and Byron?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

For me it's not that i care if he is the pressbox guy for most of the season , it's management saying all summer that if you play well in pre-season you make the team. Granlund and even Byron ( only available for the last quarter of pre-season) out played Raymond. I get that Granlund can be sent down , but i have to think it would piss him off. There's a big difference in salary for a player like him being sent down. Not sure who they will send down between Granlund and Byron?

I guess I don't view sitting in the press box as making the team. I'm sure guys like Granlund might disagree (probably mostly due to the NHL paycheck) but I think the worst thing we could do with some of these guys is not let them play.

I would still call one of them up when injuries happen and play them over Raymond though.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I would much rather have Raymond as the 13/14th forward rather than a player with actual potential like Granlund, Shore or even Hathaway. I don't get why people are so offended by his presence, other than the "potential" cap implications beyond this year.

I think most are fine with him being a healthy scratch regularly over a real prospect.

Why are people so offended by his presence? Because Raymond hasn't done enough to earn himself a spot on the roster. He's been outplayed by every single forward remaining and was outplayed by Hathaway as well. Also probably because he doesn't really fit our identity and he doesn't make us harder to play against. He possesses speed and a shot. But he can't win battles along the boards or in front of the net, he doesn't protect the puck well, he can't cycle and is very inconsistent and streaky. When he's not scoring, he's not helping the team win. All the other forwards he's competing against have much greater intangibles, physical play and two-way games.

I think most fans like the makeup of our team without him better. With little Hudler and Gaudreau occupying some of the top winger spots on our team it's in our best interest to have as much size and physicality as possible on the other lines. Raymond is soft and non-physical. He just doesn't really have a place or a role unless we sustain multiple injuries. So yes, I guess most of us are fine with him being the 14th forward and barely playing but that isn't exactly ideal either.

[savardandjokinen]

Diaz will ask for a release if he's not up in the NHL in a month.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Yeah. It would make sense if a team is trying to sneak a player down that they would wait until tomorrow to put him on waivers. As for a player like Raymond you would think you would want to do it as soon as possible. Bahhh don't see Raymond being waived. Hope this does not mean Grandlund gets sent down. Not a good message from the management.
This fear of "not a good message from management" is such a crock. This management has proved over the past couple of seasons that it is prospect friendly and will do right by the players and the team. People need to stop worrying about every little move that gets made and what "message" it sends. Also, people need to stop taking "always earned" so so literally. It doesn't need to apply to every last decision, especially on Oct 4th. Just cause gaining camp is over, doesn't mean the competition for roster spots is over, there's still time people.

Waiving Raymond right now is so dumb. There may be a time in the very near future where that will have to be the move, but to jump the gun and do it now just so Grandlund can not have to be sent down makes no sense. Grandlund looked good, if he keeps it up he might just find himself in the line up on a regular basis very soon. But as of today, I don't actually think I'd replace any of the forwards who are likely to start on Wednesday with him, so what's the hurry to make a decision on Raymond just so Markus can sit next to Loubo in the press box.

That's part of being a younger player trying to make it. Unless you make it so impossible for the team to not have you in he line up, you might have to get caught up in the shuffle a little bit while the team sorts out and tries to maximize its asset situation. My here is nothing wrong with that, or the message it sends.

[The Original FFIV]

This fear of "not a good message from management" is such a crock. This management has proved over the past couple of seasons that it is prospect friendly and will do right by the players and the team. People need to stop worrying about every little move that gets made and what "message" it sends. Also, people need to stop taking "always earned" so so literally. It doesn't need to apply to every last decision, especially on Oct 4th. Just cause gaining camp is over, doesn't mean the competition for roster spots is over, there's still time people.

Waiving Raymond right now is so dumb. There may be a time in the very near future where that will have to be the move, but to jump the gun and do it now just so Grandlund can not have to be sent down makes no sense. Grandlund looked good, if he keeps it up he might just find himself in the line up on a regular basis very soon. But as of today, I don't actually think I'd replace any of the forwards who are likely to start on Wednesday with him, so what's the hurry to make a decision on Raymond just so Markus can sit next to Loubo in the press box.

That's part of being a younger player trying to make it. Unless you make it so impossible for the team to not have you in he line up, you might have to get caught up in the shuffle a little bit while the team sorts out and tries to maximize its asset situation. My here is nothing wrong with that, or the message it sends.

Except it flies in the face of 'always earned, never given.'

If Granlund earned the spot over Raymond so be it and contract status/waiver eligibility be damned.

That being said I would prefer Granlund play instead of sit, which has to factor into the final roster decision. I would also prefer that Raymond be off the NHL roster and I truly hope that Treliving is working on a deal and this is the reason Granlund hasn't been sent down.

[Red Menace]

I would keep Granlund to play him at least rotate him in and out of the linep with a few others. He played more NHL games than AHL games last year, and I think he's done enough to graduate to the big leagues full time.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Except it flies in the face of 'always earned, never given.'

If Granlund earned the spot over Raymond so be it and contract status/waiver eligibility be damned.

That being said I would prefer Granlund play instead of sit, which has to factor into the final roster decision. I would also prefer that Raymond be off the NHL roster and I truly hope that Treliving is working on a deal and this is the reason Granlund hasn't been sent down.
Neither guy will play on Wednesday, so in the short term it doesn't. Also, who decides when "always earned" is decided. If For example, Grandlund spends let's say even a month down in the minors, while the Flames actually play Raymond to try and get a suitor for a trade. Then in a months time, they either pull the trigger on said trade, or give up and waive Raymond, and Markus finds himself called up and in the line up. Is that following "always earned" or is it not?

To me it is. You can't make bad asset decisions because you are worried that a single decision on Oct 4th will be micro analyzed. You have to have a better communication plan in place with your team so that doesn't become the case, and I'm sure the Flames do. It's the reality of any work place really. "Markus as of today, you've earned the job. Unfortunately the position isn't available today, but we are going to work to make it available. Keep your head down for the next few weeks, work hard and it's yours once we can give it to you".

That to me follows always earned nicely, as long as you follow through.

[Finger Cookin]

Except it flies in the face of 'always earned, never given.'

If Granlund earned the spot over Raymond so be it and contract status/waiver eligibility be damned.

That being said I would prefer Granlund play instead of sit, which has to factor into the final roster decision. I would also prefer that Raymond be off the NHL roster and I truly hope that Treliving is working on a deal and this is the reason Granlund hasn't been sent down.

Not picking on your specific remarks, but just generally commenting on this idea that cutting players now because of the flexibility in their circumstances somehow flies in the face of the team's mantra and undermines what has been built here.

We're not privy to the conversations between the staff and the players. I find it highly, highly unlikely that any player who is cut goes in and asks the coaches "But I thought I earned a spot, why wasn't a given one?" isn't given an explanation.

We got a sense of what the conversation might have been like between the staff and Wotherspoon - a spot wasn't earned. We can guess what the conversation was like between Treliving and Wilson - a spot wasn't earned.

Who's to say the coaches haven't told Granlund and Treliving "As far as we're concerned, you've earned a spot". Only for Treliving to respond along the lines that while he agrees, the team is also a business with constraints and circumstances that have to be balanced. Which could include assessing players who are on the roster now because of inflexible circumstances such as waiver eligibility, or trade discussions that are pending with other teams, or the team's reluctance to pay NHL salaries to players in the AHL, or a host of other possible things.

If Granlund is assigned before the season starts, it doesn't mean the Flames have abandoned the rebuild, or spit on the mantra, or ruined a young player, or been two faced. It means a deadline has passed, and the team is exercising an option that gives it the most flexibility and the most options going forward. Treliving has stated publicly that he considers having more options is preferable to having fewer options. And this situation may play out like it did last season, when Jooris was assigned after a fantastic camp because he was waiver exempt. The team took some time and tried Setoguchi out in a variety of spots, and likely shopped around the league to drum up interest in him, before finally abandoning him and calling Jooris up to take the spot he had earned.

Within 2-3 weeks, Brodie could return. Within two weeks from there, Colborne could be ready. Smid might even be back in that 4-5 week timetable for all I know. And the coaches have gone on record that running a roster with three goalies is, at best, problematic and disruptive. There's already a ticking clock on moves and decisions that have to be made, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if making room for Granlund and/or Kulak is weighing on those decisions.

Barring further injuries that might alter the current dynamic, I wouldn't be surprised if one of Kulak or Granlund isn't either still on the team or returning to the team. They might not be in Wednesday's line-up. But they'll be around this season.

[Goodlad]

Wasn't the situation with Jooris similar last season? Made the team out of camp, but was sent down for contract reasons until management could make room for him. After Seto proved impossible to make a deal for, he was sent down and Jooris recalled.

Just because Granlund looks like he made the team doesn't mean he'll be on the opening night roster. This doesn't however fly in the face of "always earned, never given." If Raymond is still terrible 15 or so games into the season, and Granlund is still in Stockton you'll have a case for that.

[druetetective]

Wasn't the situation with Jooris similar last season? Made the team out of camp, but was sent down for contract reasons until management could make room for him. After Seto proved impossible to make a deal for, he was sent down and Jooris recalled.

Just because Granlund looks like he made the team doesn't mean he'll be on the opening night roster. This doesn't however fly in the face of "always earned, never given." If Raymond is still terrible 15 or so games into the season, and Granlund is still in Stockton you'll have a case for that.

No i don't think it was after Seto went down. I remember them playing together. I think Colborne was injured the 1st game and we called Jooris up.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Wasn't the situation with Jooris similar last season? Made the team out of camp, but was sent down for contract reasons until management could make room for him. After Seto proved impossible to make a deal for, he was sent down and Jooris recalled.

Just because Granlund looks like he made the team doesn't mean he'll be on the opening night roster. This doesn't however fly in the face of "always earned, never given." If Raymond is still terrible 15 or so games into the season, and Granlund is still in Stockton you'll have a case for that.

Agree with everything you said, but I'd go a little further even.

IMO granlund has made nowhere near the impression jooris did. Jooris was outstanding compared to pretty much any player, pretty much every shift. He earned an nhl spot, and while setoguchi was the obvious target, he wasn't the only one.

Granlund was good, especially compared to the bubble players who are in the AHL, most of the time. To me he didn't kick in the door of the nhl, but placed himself first in line as the best of the rest. Good on him, but he still might have to wait his turn.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would also like to add the whole "earned not given" thing is also very relative. Granlund has earned his right as the first call-up. Raymond? Well, he hasn't earned anything himself, but due to his contract, the Flames will give him a longer leash to earn some ice and try to salvage his career - not to mention salvage some asset value that could benefit the team as well.

If by mid-season Granlund is doing really well down in the AHL, and Raymond is doing poorly in the NHL while still dressing lots, then we can really freak out. One pre-season does not make the mantra valid or invalid.

[Alberta_Beef]

Wasn't the situation with Jooris similar last season? Made the team out of camp, but was sent down for contract reasons until management could make room for him. After Seto proved impossible to make a deal for, he was sent down and Jooris recalled.

Just because Granlund looks like he made the team doesn't mean he'll be on the opening night roster. This doesn't however fly in the face of "always earned, never given." If Raymond is still terrible 15 or so games into the season, and Granlund is still in Stockton you'll have a case for that.

Jooris was recalled mid-October when David Jones went on IR. Shortly after Colborne, Stajan and Backlundall left the same game (against Montreal IIRC) and that allowed Jooris to get top 6 time.

[Alberta_Beef]

I would also like to add the whole "earned not given" thing is also very relative. Granlund has earned his right as the first call-up. Raymond? Well, he hasn't earned anything himself, but due to his contract, the Flames will give him a longer leash to earn some ice and try to salvage his career - not to mention salvage some asset value that could benefit the team as well.

If by mid-season Granlund is doing really well down in the AHL, and Raymond is doing poorly in the NHL while still dressing lots, then we can really freak out. One pre-season does not make the mantra valid or invalid.
In addition, there is nothing that says it had to be earned this year. Raymond earned his contract with his previous play with the Leafs. That is not going to just be forgotten because a year has passed.

I also think people take those little slogans too literal, I think it has little to do with roster spots and everything to do with working hard in games because no one will hand you a W

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
LAK expected to put G J.F. Berube on waivers today (Quick/Enroth in net). The 24-yr-old could get claimed. More than one team with interest.

[Erick Estrada]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
LAK expected to put G J.F. Berube on waivers today (Quick/Enroth in net). The 24-yr-old could get claimed. More than one team with interest.

Pretty solid AHL stats. If he sneaks through you would have to think Ortio would.

[SuperMatt18]

Didn't realize Enroth signed in L.A.

He is my bet for this years backup goalie on a good defensive team, who puts up great stats, and then gets too much value back in a trade (or signs with Edmonton as the savior the following season).

[Erick Estrada]

Didn't realize Enroth signed in L.A.

He is my bet for this years backup goalie on a good defensive team, who puts up great stats, and then gets too much value back in a trade (or signs with Edmonton as the savior the following season).

Really if you are a team set with a starting goaltender behind an perennial solid defense you can cycle backups in and out and have them behind that defense looking solid then flip them for assets like the Kings have been able to do.

[sureLoss]

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers
#Flyers to place D Andrew MacDonald on waivers at noon →

[MissTeeks]

That contract was so terrible.

[sureLoss]

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
MacDonald, 29, has 5 years and $23.75 million left on his deal. He was paid a $2 million signing bonus on July 1 by #Flyers.

[Erick Estrada]

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers
#Flyers to place D Andrew MacDonald on waivers at noon →

Wow who could have predicted that to end up as a horrible contract.:rolleyes:

That organization needs a house cleaning starting with the owner. It seems the harder Snider tries to win a cup the further the Flyers get away from contending.

[Poe969]

wow. Just wow. I guess a buy out next year or will they pay up for a team to take him?

[devo22]

Looks like Brandon Manning has won a job there. Expected to see Schenn waived instead though.

[JJ1532]

Yet another boat anchor contract that the Flyers are stuck with for the next 5 years. Nobody is touching him with a barge pole. Could they not try to trade him with 50% salary retained?

[codynw]

That MacDonald contract was so stupid. He's barely worth an NHL contract at all. Let alone 5 more years and $23.75M.

[sureLoss]

Аrpon Basu @ArponBasu
Mark Barberio and Dustin Tokarski are not at #Habs practice. Would have to imagine they'll be going on waivers at noon.

[Poe969]

wow, I thought Tokarski was actually good.

[SuperMatt18]

Macdonald contract was always terrible. It pretty much would have been the equivalent of us giving Butler that contract coming out of the 13/14 season.

In the 13/14 seasons these were the stats:

MacDonald: GP: 82 G: 4 A: 24 P: 28 ESP: 16 +/-: -22 TOI/G: 24:37 PP: 2:52 SH: 2:22 Bks: 242 Hits: 69 Gva: 64

Butler: GP: 82 G: 2 A: 14 P: 16 ESP: 15 +/-: -23 TOI/G: 20:15 PP: 0:20 SH: 2:41 Bks:211 Hits: 68 GVA: 69

Then the advanced stats:

MacDonald: Corsi: -13.26 Corsi Rel: -19.5 Off Zone Start: 48.8% Off Zone Finish: 49%

Butler: Corsi: -13.61 Corsi Rel: -8.9 Off Zone Start: 41.3% Off Zone Finish: 46.1

Crazy that one guy went that offseason without getting a contract, and the other guy had a 6-year 30 million dollar extension.

[Imported_Aussie]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
LAK expected to put G J.F. Berube on waivers today (Quick/Enroth in net). The 24-yr-old could get claimed. More than one team with interest.

Doesn't surprise me on the timing - now that Boston has signed Gustavsson, every team has 2 goalies signed on NHL rosters now. The only way a team claims a goalie is if they need injury cover or they are prepared to carry that guy and waive/demote one of their own. If Treliving is going to send Ortio down, now is the time. If Ortio stays on the roster, my feeling is that they are waiting for a goaltending injury to make a trade

[GranteedEV]

In 18 minutes we find out if the Flames decided to waive Ortio. I hope the answer is no.

[flambers]

In 18 minutes we find out if the Flames decided to waive Ortio. I hope the answer is no.

Or if the Flames decide to waive Jonas Hiller.

My bet the Flames won't make a goalie decision for another week.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Everyone on waivers yesterday cleared.

[Madman]

Bryon and Raymond on waivers.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
VAN puts Vey and Corrado on waivers. CGYY puts Paul Byron and Mason Raymond on waivers. BOS puts Max Talbot on.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
MTL puts Barberio and Tokarski on waivers.
WPG puts Jay Harrison on waivers.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
LAK put JF Berube, Jamie McBain, Vincent Loverde on waivers. Also, VAN puts Alex Biega on waivers.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
FLA puts Dylan Olsen and Garrett Wilson waivers. BTW, TOR did not, today anyway, put Robidas on waivers.


Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
TOR did waive Brennan, Campbell, Frattin, Carrick, Froese. NSH waives Jamie Devane, BOS Jeremy Smith, PHI Andrew MacDonald, PIT Tim Erixon.

[killer_carlson]

Wow.

and Wow x2 that Madman beat Sureloss with Byron and Raymond

[sureLoss]

Erixon on waivers LOL.

[Coach]

Erixon again? Bwahahahaha

[Ozy_Flame]

Wow Linden Vey . . . was he that bad?

[habernac]

wow, I thought Tokarski was actually good.

I really think lack of playing time has hurt him. No one is going to get substantial minutes backing up Price.

[Erick Estrada]

Wow Linden Vey . . . was he that bad?

Pretty soft player. You can see why he was never going to fit in with the Kings plans.

[Red Menace]

Pretty soft player. You can see why he was never going to fit in with the Kings plans.
but he fit right in with the Canucks, which is the actual team he belongs to.

[Parallex]

Dylan Olsen... wouldn't mind picking him up.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Dylan Olsen... wouldn't mind picking him up.

I wouldn't...not right now anyway.

The Panthers had him on the team for the first 40 some games and he really played himself out of the lineup. Mostly the mental part of the game too, because he has NHL skills. His preparation is also pretty poor, namely his fitness level.

Does nobody remember the fact he refused to report to the minors right away after being demoted last year? Not the most mature kid.

Here's a pretty telling quote from Tallon:
"There will be healthy competition for jobs and Dylan's got the ability," GM Dale Tallon said. "It's a matter of him getting in a proper frame of mind and [being] physically fit."

The kid was a turnover machine. He makes Justin Schultz look like a top pairing shutdown d-man.

[FBI]

Waiving Raymond right now is so dumb.

You were saying?

[heep223]

Waiving Raymond right now is so dumb.

You were saying?

What are you quoting?

[FBI]

What are you quoting?

sorry, some long post by CSW

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I'm guessing Tokarski gets picked up by Tampa.

And Erixon...........hahahahahaha.

[dammage79]

I'm guessing Tokarski gets picked up by Tampa.

And Erixon...........hahahahahaha.

Did TB release Emery from his PTO? Perhaps Gudlevskis earned the back up job.

EDIT: Seems they did release Emery. But did pick up Kevin Poulin off of waivers recently too.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

sorry, some long post by CSW
You need to quote me if I'm to know to respond ;).

My comment was more around the urgency to make a decision right now on the asset that is Raymond right now, simply so we can tell Grandlund he has a spot is dumb. But in fairness, that's not how I wrote it, so it's fair to call it out, and it's also fair to suggest that I made the following assumption that wasn't necessarily true: Treliving would potentially want more time to see if Raymond could up his value - based on this move today, I would say he's seen enough already or feels he knows where the market is going to be. And I'd also say I made an assumption (foolishly had I paused to think about it) that there would be a risk at losing Raymond to waivers, which likely isn't the case at all.

So fair ball in calling that out, I was certainly off base on the above facts. My feelings still strongly remain the same on people calling for the waiving of Raymond simply because they want Granlund to be able to say he cracked the roster on opening night. That would be a very dumb move IMO, and based on what Treliving and the Flames have done, they did not waiver Raymond for that reason.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Did TB release Emery from his PTO? Perhaps Gudlevskis earned the back up job.

EDIT: Seems they did release Emery. But did pick up Kevin Poulin off of waivers recently too.

Poulin isn't very good though. I could see them grab Tokarski until Vasilevsky gets back, which won't be for about a month. Might not happen but he's a decent short term band-aid.

[FBI]

You need to quote me if I'm to know to respond ;).

My comment was more around the urgency to make a decision right now on the asset that is Raymond right now, simply so we can tell Grandlund he has a spot is dumb. But in fairness, that's not how I wrote it, so it's fair to call it out, and it's also fair to suggest that I made the following assumption that wasn't necessarily true: Treliving would potentially want more time to see if Raymond could up his value - based on this move today, I would say he's seen enough already or feels he knows where the market is going to be. And I'd also say I made an assumption (foolishly had I paused to think about it) that there would be a risk at losing Raymond to waivers, which likely isn't the case at all.

So fair ball in calling that out, I was certainly off base on the above facts. My feelings still strongly remain the same on people calling for the waiving of Raymond simply because they want Granlund to be able to say he cracked the roster on opening night. That would be a very dumb move IMO, and based on what Treliving and the Flames have done, they did not waiver Raymond for that reason.

So why did they waive Raymond? I think it's because he adds 0 or even negative value to the team.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

So why did they waive Raymond? I think it's because he adds 0 or even negative value to the team.
Yes, I think they've decided he's not in our top 12 and there isn't a trade market for him. Not sure if that means he adds 0 or negative value, but it certainly means that they feel they have better options, and they feel they know whether or not he can be traded for assets. This is what I mentioned in paragraph 2 - the other day I assumed Treliving would want more time to asses that situation, clearly not the case, and clearly he feels he knows his answers.

As I mentioned, they still didn't waive Raymond to make room for Granlund, which is what I really think would have been dumb. That's a move you can make at any point in time over the next little bit. No sense rushing that, especially if Granlund isn't in your starting 12 each night.

[CMPunk]

Poulin isn't very good though. I could see them grab Tokarski until Vasilevsky gets back, which won't be for about a month. Might not happen but he's a decent short term band-aid.

If you're not going to play the back up, why bother picking up another and wasting a roster spot? Poulin will warm the bench til Vasilevsky gets back and then get sent down or traded.

[handgroen]

what time do we find out if anyone's been claimed?

[sureLoss]

always 12 noon et/ 10 am mt

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I got a good laugh of seeing Vey on waivers. When you're too soft even for the Canucks, you might as well hang up the skates.

[codynw]

what time do we find out if anyone's been claimed?

SPOILER ALERT:

Nobody will be claimed.

[Poe969]

There were some good players on waivers, I wouldn't be surprised if someone took a chance on Tokarski.

[Parallex]

I wouldn't...not right now anyway.

The Panthers had him on the team for the first 40 some games and he really played himself out of the lineup. Mostly the mental part of the game too, because he has NHL skills. His preparation is also pretty poor, namely his fitness level.

Yeah, but if he corrects those then he doesn't hit the wire.

Everyone on waivers has warts the only question is if you pick them up can they adapt and remove those warts. IMO a 23 year old defenseman with NHL skills is a better bet then most to do that.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Yeah, but if he corrects those then he doesn't hit the wire.

Everyone on waivers has warts the only question is if you pick them up can they adapt and remove those warts. IMO a 23 year old defenseman with NHL skills is a better bet then most to do that.

He has NHL skills, but so does Josh Ho Sang. Some guys are absolutely not worth the risk, especially when you have to keep them on your roster all year long or risk losing them to waivers again.

[Parallex]

He has NHL skills, but so does Josh Ho Sang. Some guys are absolutely not worth the risk, especially when you have to keep them on your roster all year long or risk losing them to waivers again.

So? If they don't adapt and you lose them on waivers then who cares. He'd either do what he needs to do to stay on the roster or he won't and if he won't do that then send him away. I just don't see any risk.

[sureLoss]

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
#Isles have claimed G J-F Berube off waivers from LAK.

[sureLoss]

Dave Molinari @MolinariPG
Penguins D Tim Erixon makes it through waivers unclaimed.

James Mirtle @mirtle
Sounds like Leafs claim Corrado from Vancouver. Richard Panik is on waivers.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

So? If they don't adapt and you lose them on waivers then who cares. He'd either do what he needs to do to stay on the roster or he won't and if he won't do that then send him away. I just don't see any risk.

If he has issues, you don't want him working it out on the NHL team. What you want are contributing team members in the NHL. If he needs to work on things in order to be an effective NHLer, he has to do that in a developmental league. You waste a roster spot with an ineffective player that you will either cost you games if you put him in, or sits in the press box night after night not getting any better to be effective.

It's a no-win situation. The only players that should be picked up on waivers are ones that can help the club right now if there's a hole on the roster. If you aren't sure he can contribute to the success of the team, you pass.

[codynw]

Byron claimed by Montreal?

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MON claims Byron

[codynw]

I ain't even mad. Welcome back Granlund?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Good luck Paul. I think he'll do well in Montreal.

[Samonadreau]

Watch him bury every breakaway in Montreal

[Parallex]

I ain't even mad. Welcome back Granlund?

I'd bet more on Shore or Wotherspoon.

[Igster]

SPOILER ALERT:

Nobody will be claimed.

Um, you were saying?

[sureLoss]

Some Vancouver media ripping the Canucks for losing Corrado

[saillias]

I'm guessing Nakladal. The team needs to keep 7 D around and it's unclear what will happen with Smid

[dash_pinched]

Some Vancouver media ripping the Canucks for losing Corrado

Probably because it was unnecessary.

http://sportshoop.la/attachments/cqpzll_u8aaa7oa-png.37363/

[1qqaaz]

With Byron gone, the chain of assets derived from Theoren Fleury finally ends.

Don't worry, we still have Agostino and Klimchuk from the Kent Nilsson asset chain.

[Komskies]

Probably because it was unnecessary.

http://sportshoop.la/attachments/cqpzll_u8aaa7oa-png.37363/

Dim Benning with another fantastic move. I love how competent he is at his job.

[codynw]

Dim Benning with another fantastic move. I love how competent he is at his job.

It's funny when it's not happening to the Flames.

[chummer]

Some Vancouver media ripping the Canucks for losing Corrado

No kidding, Sekares has been ripping the Canucks for the last 45 minutes.

Benning and Linden are no good.

[Robbob]

That is pretty poor asset management by Vancouver.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I assume TO was right near the top of the waiver priority. Probably a good risk for them to take.

[Cheerio]

I assume TO was right near the top of the waiver priority. Probably a good risk for them to take.

They were 4th, the only real surprise was that Edmonton passed on him as he would be an upgrade on Reinhart or Gryba

[killer_carlson]

Corrado isn't an upgrade on Reinhart. he'd be a lateral move at best.

[Finger Cookin]

So my manual count is 5 claimed players out of 152 waived players.

[The Original FFIV]

That is pretty poor asset management by Vancouver.

Started with gillis and av putting the kid into a playoff game which burned a year off his waiver eligibility. Short sighted on their part.

Benning tried to move him but no takers. And the kid needs to play. He didn't win a job out of camp and was beaten out by Hutton.

Corrado was over hyped by media as he was one of the few picks gillis made that actually showed some promise in an otherwise disastrous drafting record. So while Canucks fans are whining about losing a prospect, believe the local media made Corrado out to be more than he is.

[Knut]

Kind of similar to Wotherspoon. Just hasn't taken that next step. Next year I think Wotherspoon is in the same position.

[Erick Estrada]

Kind of similar to Wotherspoon. Just hasn't taken that next step. Next year I think Wotherspoon is in the same position.

He still has a year to change that but it's not looking good with other players passing him on the depth chart. Some of these guys hit their ceilings early and simply can't elevate themselves to the NHL game.

[Vulcan]

He still has a year to change that but it's not looking good with other players passing him on the depth chart. Some of these guys hit their ceilings early and simply can't elevate themselves to the NHL game.

I don't see Wotherspoon ever being the smooth skating offensive defenceman. His best bet is too try and stand out with being physical with big hits and the odd fight. He's very capable being a steady guy but that isn't going to cut it anymore.

[Roof-Daddy]

IMO Wotherspoons days with the Flames org are numbered.

He's a decent prospect, and could still end up as an NHLer, I just doubt it will ever happen with Calgary.

[FBI]

IMO Wotherspoons days with the Flames org are numbered.

He's a decent prospect, and could still end up as an NHLer, I just doubt it will ever happen with Calgary.

Yup. I would have said Granlund too but he had a good training camp. Hope he can translate it otherwise he is trade fodder as well.

[Conroy4Mayor]

IMO Wotherspoons days with the Flames org are numbered.

He's a decent prospect, and could still end up as an NHLer, I just doubt it will ever happen with Calgary.

Hickey has a similar style to Wotherspoon, but more talent. Wotherspoon is going to get passed, by Hickey and maybe Anderson too. Too bad because I like Wotherspoon (more than Engelland and Smid for sure).

[Calgary4LIfe]

Hickey has a similar style to Wotherspoon, but more talent. Wotherspoon is going to get passed, by Hickey and maybe Anderson too. Too bad because I like Wotherspoon (more than Engelland and Smid for sure).

I don't see Hickey and Wotherspoon having anything similar in terms of style at all. I like both prospects, but I see them as very different players with Hickey being a much more aggressive player in all zones, and being a much higher skill-set offensively. He is also much more physical than Wotherspoon.

Hickey is what I hope Wotherspoon starts playing more like. Wotherspoon to me is much more like a Leopold type. Kind of 'vanilla' with a decent IQ, but a guy who could be a very good complimentary player on a pairing. Hickey is a guy that would be 'the guy' on the pairing making an impact on the game and being much more noticeable.

[dash_pinched]

Bruins have placed Matt Irwin on waivers. He was signed in the offseason for one year at a very reasonable $800,000.

[Conroy4Mayor]

I don't see Hickey and Wotherspoon having anything similar in terms of style at all. I like both prospects, but I see them as very different players with Hickey being a much more aggressive player in all zones, and being a much higher skill-set offensively. He is also much more physical than Wotherspoon.

Hickey is what I hope Wotherspoon starts playing more like. Wotherspoon to me is much more like a Leopold type. Kind of 'vanilla' with a decent IQ, but a guy who could be a very good complimentary player on a pairing. Hickey is a guy that would be 'the guy' on the pairing making an impact on the game and being much more noticeable.

I saw Wotherspoon play aggressively at times in junior. I think what happened is that when it looked like he might have a spot to lose in the NHL, he played conservatively to avoid making mistakes. Kulak, by comparison, had nothing to lose, so was able to play more aggressively.

Hopefully Wotherspoon changes his perspective this year, and tries to get himself noticed by playing a little looser and carefree. He does have talent, it just never has a chance to show because Wotherspoon is mostly sitting back.