Flames claim Joey MacDonald

[the_only_turek_fan]

as per twitter

[jg13]

so we have 4 goalies under contract now?

[Knut]

Haha... same time
Close mine!

[Bertuzzied]

Come back Kipper!!!!

[jschick88]

Something has to give here. 49 contracts now. Kipper injured more than we thought?

[calgARI]

Does this mean Kiprusoff isn't close or that neither Irving or Taylor are going to back up?

[Samiz]

Hopefully this doesn't mean that Kipper's injury is long-term

[King Theo]

Why? Is Kipper out for longer?

[Baaarrden]

does he get put in front of Irving on the depth or does Irving stay as our current first string while Kipper is injured?

[Tinordi]

Flames not confident in Irving or Taylor.

[dissentowner]

who is Joey MacDonald?

[Flash Walken]

who is Joey MacDonald?

A competent backup.

You won't recognize him.

[calgARI]

Not a bad waiver pickup. Has been around the NHL for a few years and has put up respectable numbers with the Wings.

[Muffins]

This makes me think Kipper aint coming back anytime soon....No real reason for this move if he was close to returning

[Fuji]

I think Kipper is done?

[Bertuzzied]

Macdonald would definitely be ahead of Irving. Hartley knows a shaky goalie when he sees one.

[neo45]

Is he hurt right now?


His TSN profile says:
2013/01/19Bulging disc in lower back, injured reserve.

That is not a day to day type injury...

[kyuss275]

Not surprising. Taylor was never going to get a start with the flames, he was an emergency signing/call up. When the flames waived both back up goaltenders at the end of pre season, it pretty much said that they didn't have faith in either of them.

[Goodlad]

He's 33 yrs old, was on IR just a month ago. Strange pickup

[Madman]

Is he hurt right now?


His TSN profile says:
2013/01/19Bulging disc in lower back, injured reserve.

That is not a day to day type injury...

He has been cleared to play.

MacDonald, 33, was cleared to play today after being out since March 14 due to a bulging disc.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/02/flames_claim_goaltender_joey_m.html

[dissentowner]

Looking at his stats there is nothing there that indicates he can be a gap fill for us. I guess his experience? Kind of disappointed Taylor will not get a look.

[Flash Walken]

He's 33 yrs old, was on IR just a month ago. Strange pickup

and it should illustrate just how stupid it was to think Taylor would've gotten the start.

[Samiz]

Assuming that Kipper is coming back soon, this move doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't see the Flames demoting Irving again. Maybe a trade is on the way?

[Igster]

Must be a trade coming. Nothing makes sense with this move unless the Flames have no faith in Irving.

[calgARI]

Assuming that Kipper is coming back soon, this move doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't see the Flames demoting Irving again. Maybe a trade is on the way?

Neither Irving nor Taylor has any trade value whatsoever.

[jg13]

Kiprusoff is out long term
Taylor gets sent down (Signed only as an absolute emergency)

just my guess.

Who knows a trade could be on the way.

[Komskies]

Assuming that Kipper is coming back soon, this move doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't see the Flames demoting Irving again. Maybe a trade is on the way?

It's probably safer to assume that Kipper isn't coming back soon. At least that's how I read into this. Hartley doesn't have confidence in Irving as a starter.

[Baaarrden]

I don't think there's anything that makes Joey MacDonald's stats stick out any more than Irving. Maybe games played and age, but it seems there really isn't anything special about MacDonald compared to Irving.

[polak]

If Kipper is out long term I say abandon ship and trade everyone over 25 with any value.

We all know that we have no shot without Kipper being at his absolute best let alone if were stuck with a back up quality tender all season.

Call it. No point in sucking all year and getting nothing for it. This is where a good GM gets to work.

[Dion]

Come back Kipper!!!!

Taylor going back to Abby today :whistle:

[cznTiburon]

Looking at his stats there is nothing there that indicates he can be a gap fill for us. I guess his experience? Kind of disappointed Taylor will not get a look.

He did win 7 straight for Detroit in the starter role when Howard went down... The team in front of him makes a big difference but if he can come in and allow the flames to have any form of confidence it will be a good thing. Just no one tell the team he is a back up, let them think he was a starter so they don't play like idiots in front of him

[Roof-Daddy]

This makes total sense.

Our two goalies currently dressing have a total of 11 games of NHL experience.

Claiming an experienced NHL back up off waivers was a no brainer IMO.

[red sky]

Joey MacDonald almost appears to be the new Fata. Almost...

Waste of a roster spot on Taylor.

[gargamel]

He has to stay up with the Flames the whole year now, correct?

[edn88]

There has to be something else afoot here. You cannot assign MacDonald to the AHL - and I cannot see him playing right away. Taylor/Irving have to be who you go with tonight.

[Bertuzzied]

Taylor going back to Abby today :whistle:

Irving will be backing him up in Abby when Kipper comes back :bag:

[Igster]

This makes total sense.

Our two goalies currently dressing have a total of 11 games of NHL experience.

Claiming an experienced NHL back up off waivers was a no brainer IMO.

Yeah, now that you put it that way, you're right.

[Dion]

Is this a move in anticipation of the Flames announcing that Kipper will be out longer than expected. Does make you wonder.

[Madman]

I saw Kipper at hockey on Sunday, (minor hockey), and he did have a noticeable limp when walking up the stairs.

I'm no doctor but it sure didn't seem like a major long term injury he is dealing with.

No brace or walking aid and walking up and down hockey arena stairs points to not career ending.

[kyuss275]

Kipper is probably out for another week. The flames probably did not want to take a chance on Irving starting all the games. Taylor was never getting a start.

Will be interesting when Kipper gets back, to see who gets waived between Irving and Macdonald? I still think its Irvings back up job to win or lose.

[KOgear]

Wohoooo 49 contracts, one left!

[ComixZone]

Two days after putting Taylor on contract. I'd say it's one of two things:

1) Kiprusoff's injury has proved itself to be more serious than originally thought

2) There's no actual plan...because seriously, if they wanted a vet back-up there are UFAs they could have signed rather than put Taylor on contract. It's not like MacDonald is some magic piece that would have a team completely alter plans.

[Dion]

Irving will be backing him up in Abby when Kipper comes back :bag:

:chair:

[orr444]

Kipper isn't out long term though, he skated this morning.

[Igster]

Kipper isn't out long term though, he skated this morning.

OK...that makes things more interesting then. :whistle:

[bubbsy]

i wish the flames had a clear and distinct vision about the future. Maybe they have one, and i'm just reluctant to face the fact that their vision remains "win now".

[calgARI]

Mckenzie just tweeted that the Flames scouts just had MacDonald rated highly and is an upgrade over Irving

[gargamel]

He did win 7 straight for Detroit in the starter role when Howard went down... The team in front of him makes a big difference but if he can come in and allow the flames to have any form of confidence it will be a good thing. Just no one tell the team he is a back up, let them think he was a starter so they don't play like idiots in front of him

That is very true. His stats in Detroit look solid, but I saw him play several times for the Islanders a few years ago, and he was awful. Unfortunately, the Flames' performances in front of anyone other than Kipper have historically looked much more like what you'd see from the Islanders than the Redwings.

[Flames_Gimp]

we do need a good backup goalie...

[polak]

I saw Kipper at hockey on Sunday, (minor hockey), and he did have a noticeable limp when walking up the stairs.

I'm no doctor but it sure didn't seem like a major long term injury he is dealing with.

No brace or walking aid and walking up and down hockey arena stairs points to not career ending.

He is a goalie.
If he has a limp walking up and down stairs how is he supposed to be able to do the necessary movements to play the style he does. Constant dropping down into butterfly, pushing off and stretching out. Any sort of limp for a goalie is not good.

[jschick88]

Unless Kiprusoff's injury is worse than saying, it seems strange for the Flames to add contracts of two goalies in a week. Up to 49 now

https://twitter.com/SUNRandySportak

[kyuss275]

Mckenzie just tweeted that the Flames scouts just had MacDonald rated highly and is an upgrade over Irving

If this is true then good bye Irving. Maybe not tomorrow, but no chance he will be with the flames next year.

[J epworth]

Mckenzie just tweeted that the Flames scouts just had MacDonald rated highly and is an upgrade over Irving

Is an experience upgrade over Irving, not an upgrade in skill.

[jg13]

So they give Irving 2 starts decide he's not good enough and plan on getting rid of him by signing Macdonald?

If only they were that cut throat with Comeau.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Mackenzie is saying Kiprusoff could play Wednesday, and MacDonald the backup.

Looks like the Flames brass has no confidence in Irving.

It's a shame because he was arguably the best player for us on Saturday night. I think Leland Irving is done as a Calgary Flame.

[bluloc]

Must be a trade coming. Nothing makes sense with this move unless the Flames have no faith in Irving.

More than likely Kipper is out longer than expected. Thinking 2 weeks instead of 1. I guess they figured it wouldnt hurt to have him just in case irving and taylor #### the bed.

[J epworth]

Now they say Cammalleri is on IR, this day is crazy.

[calgARI]

And another Flames first rounder eats the dust.

[Samiz]

The Calgary Flames - Where backup goaltender's careers come to die

[kobasew19]

@RogMillions: Sven Baertschi skating for #Flames..Miikka Kiprusoff also skated this am...neither can play tonight...still news good for #Flames

[calumniate]

Bertuzzied's saving grace

[Weiser Wonder]

So who starts tonight? I can't imagine it's Irving as he's just been thrown under the bus.

[Street Pharmacist]

And another Flames first rounder eats the dust.

It ate the dust when he was picked. Goalies should not be first rounders

[Flash Walken]

St. Louis' Kris Russell appears to be a healthy scratch again.

St.Louis and Calgary trading just makes too much sense for them to be such silent partners right now.

If this is part of a trade, which I don't think it is, I'd be looking at Russell.

[calgARI]

Now they say Cammalleri is on IR, this day is crazy.

Cammalleri is on the ice right now. IR just for cap relief and roster spot. He'll play Wednesday but a sacrifice for tonight. Frustrating.

[polak]

And another Flames first rounder eats the dust.

Yup... That makes what? 2 First Rounders that are still playing for the team in the last 15 years? 3 or 4 that are still in the NHL?

:bag::bag::bag:

It's going to be a long decade.

[Icon]

Cammalleri is on the ice right now. IR just for cap relief and roster spot. He'll play Wednesday but a sacrifice for tonight. Frustrating.

Frustrating that a $6million dollar guy is a "healthy" scratch because he has been underperforming, ya.

[Tinordi]

Irving looked shaky as hell Saturday, no wonder they're looking to upgrade.

Irving is done with the flames.

[Icon]

So, who are we trading Irving to for a 7th?

[bluloc]

So no squid tonight then?

[return to the red]

really disappointed for Irving here, guy was never really given an opportunity at the NHL level. Been in the system for years and finally gets his chance to show what he can do and 2 games later pretty much gets dumped.

The Flames aren't doing anything this year, you might as well roll with it and make the decision after the season.

The more I think about it the more it frustrates me that the forwards are in no way held accountable, I'm looking at you Comeau, yet the goaltenders are in and out like Johns with a hooker.

[handgroen]

Mackenzie is saying Kiprusoff could play Wednesday, and MacDonald the backup.

Looks like the Flames brass has no confidence in Irving.

It's a shame because he was arguably the best player for us on Saturday night. I think Leland Irving is done as a Calgary Flame.

I think he'll likely be a throw-in as a part of a larger trade

[868904]

Awesome, way to show faith in your young players.

Even if Macdonald is an upgrade over Irving or Taylor, it's the slightest and most inconsequential upgrade that won't make a difference between playoffs and no playoffs. All you've done is shown that your meritocracy spiel is bs and you've filled up another contract spot. yAY

This was the perfectt opportunity to see what you have with Irving and Taylor. If you had such little faith in Taylor, why bother signing him?

[kyuss275]

So who starts tonight? I can't imagine it's Irving as he's just been thrown under the bus.

Can Macdonald make it in time?

[magicpixels]

I'll also wager that if and when Kipper comes back he'll play in every single game. They can call it an upgrade.

Ask yourself.

Why would you burn a contract on a backup goalie that you know will start a maximum of 2-3 games if that...

[speede5]

Mackenzie says Kipper is skating today and should be ready Wednesday. Twitter

[Icon]

If you had such little faith in Taylor, why bother signing him?

Agree with your post. Answer to your question is we needed 2 goalies in the lineup.

[Tinordi]

Flames saw what they had in Irving: not much.

Taylor's an ahl goalie, can't expect to ride him.

MacDonald is an NHL goalie with zero acquisition cost that fills multiple needs. We need a starting goalie now and we'll need a backup goalie when kipper returns.

Irving is neither of those.

[Bertuzzied]

Bertuzzied's saving grace

Why? Anyone who can take off the homer glasses would see how nervous he is every game. and how bad his rebounding control is.

Irving was never a NHL goalie. and given his opportunities he has showed in 1 game that he was capable. Last year against the Canucks. Still he did beat the Canucks so i'm glad he got paid big time for his 3 weeks with us.

But come on. He won the job against Karlson in a scrimmage.... hahaha

[Bertuzzied]

It ate the dust when he was picked. Goalies should not be first rounders

Amen sista!

[Roof-Daddy]

It ate the dust when he was picked. Goalies should not be first rounders

Totally agree, unless that goalie is such a studd prospect that he's likely to be in the NHL within a year or two.....and even then I don't like it. Absolutely ridiculous to select a long term project goalie in the first round.

[getbak]

So, who are we trading Irving to for a 7th?
The Wings need a backup in Grand Rapids now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Face it, Irving's play brought this move on. He just isn't a quality NHL goalie at this point - back-up, or otherwise.

I'd like to hang onto him a bit longer to see it through as he still has some potential.

[Stay Golden]

Wow didn't see this happening so quickly. Feaster and Hartley obviously have no future plans for Irving or Taylor. It will be odd to have 4 goalies under contract. You would think 1 of them at least will be traded, waived etc.

Don't really know much about MacDonald other than he won't be wearing #9.;)

[Huntingwhale]

http://www.seo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/What-is-going-on-in-the-SERPS.jpg

[Bertuzzied]

The Wings need a backup in Grand Rapids now.

So Taylor to the Wings for a 7th?

[868904]

Agree with your post. Answer to your question is we needed 2 goalies in the lineup.

Couldn't they have signed some guy to a pto for a game or two?

It just really sucks for these kids. They work so hard in the AHL, finally an opportunity opens up, the team signs you to a contract, you don't even hope to start but at least you earning an NHL pay cheque, and then the team claims some old backup who isn't really goin t o make a difference between winning or losing and you go back to earning your AHL pay cheque.

[dammage79]

Solid Back-up for Irving with a Kipper + trade for something Bigger in the works? Anything is possible at this point in time. Either way, no way Feaster and Weisbrod let the contract spots ride this high for much longer.

[Stay Golden]

If the Flames traded Irving for any draft pick I would be fine with it. If he isn't going to be the back up and Ward clearly does not want him with the Heat, then ship him out Feaster.

This is a mess.

[OILFAN #81]

Yup... That makes what? 2 First Rounders that are still playing for the team in the last 15 years? 3 or 4 that are still in the NHL?

:bag::bag::bag:

It's going to be a long decade.

Matt Pelech was called up today and will be in the lineup for San Jose tonight. He's going to be playing forward.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Does Kipper have an NMC?

[Bertuzzied]

Solid Back-up for Irving with a Kipper + trade for something Bigger in the works? Anything is possible at this point in time. Either way, no way Feaster and Weisbrod let the contract spots ride this high for much longer.

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Lets see the Canucks laugh on the bench the next time we play them.

[howard_the_duck]

If this move means the Flames are moving on from Irving I believe it's a mistake. 24 year old goalie who was the best Flame on the ice on Saturday.

I didn't see the 5th goal but I'm baffled how anyone can say he looked shaky against the Canucks. IMO just a poor message to send a guy who's looked worthy of at least a couple more starts this season.

[Igster]

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Might as well...not sure the direction of the team is any sillier than this currently.

[EddyBeers]

Does Kipper have an NMC?

No

[Bertuzzied]

If this move means the Flames are moving on from Irving I believe it's a mistake. 24 year old goalie who was the best Flame on the ice on Saturday.

I didn't see the 5th goal but I'm baffled how anyone can say he looked shaky against the Canucks. IMO just a poor message to send a guy who's looked worthy of at least a couple more starts this season.

How can anyone say that after the 2nd and 4th goals? Also that 2nd goal, the game winning goal was a back breaker.

[EddyBeers]

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Lets see the Canucks laugh on the bench the next time we play them.


And our 2014 1st rounder for George Parros and our 2014 2nd rounder for Colton Orr.

[neo45]

Feel bad for Irving.


Meanwhile Comeau will probably get moved up a line and Butler stays in the lineup.

[kyuss275]

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Lets see the Canucks laugh on the bench the next time we play them.


Other than throwing the 1st in for Clutterbuck, i'm in.:w00t:

[BEANZ]

This is a dumb move for multiple reasons...

1) Cammy sitting in an important game for a backup goalie. Yes he Cammy has struggled but seriously he needs to be in the lineup in order to contribute.
2)Irving is likely crushed. He played well in Vancouver on Saturday with a terrible team in front of him. Now he is essentially bumpd for some random "veteran" goalie.

Flames new modo "Older is better". Another decision with no thought, great job Flames!

[dammage79]

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Lets see the Canucks laugh on the bench the next time we play them.

You really have to get over yer man crush on Clutterbuck. Cannot see how you think he is worth a first round pick and a goalie that was a former first round pick.

And if cammy was ever traded for Neil I believe feaster would lose his job fast.

Also, why not a kipper trade? 36 years old, has value and can be used to acquire a big name center if needed. If a trade of that magnitude came up I would do it. Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Tootoo? no way no thanks.

[Ashasx]

Good pickup. All Flames backup goaltenders under the age of 30 have historically been awful. Hopefully MacDonald gives the team some confidence when Kipper isn't playing.

[Bertuzzied]

And our 2014 1st rounder for George Parros and our 2014 2nd rounder for Colton Orr.

Maybe if Brent Sutter was our GM.

Still sipping the koolaid or do you think our current team is tough as nails?

[Erick Estrada]

Ramo better be the real deal or the next few seasons are going to be pretty bleak as it's obvious the Flames have no faith in the goaltenders in their system and nobody knows if Kipper will even play next season.

[kyuss275]

Feel bad for Irving.


Meanwhile Comeau will probably get moved up a line and Butler stays in the lineup.


The only thing i can say that is bad about picking up MacDonald is that Comeau sneaks back into top 9 tonight because they had to put Cammi on IR to get this done.

[FlamesAddiction]

Also, I think Irving will go on waivers and pass. Then he will be traded.

The reasoning being that no team would trade for him and then risk putting him through waivers. Irivng is a more valuable asset playing in the AHL right now than playing on an NHL roster. He still has some potential, but he isn't ready yet.

[dino7c]

who cares where a guy was drafted you put the best possible team on the ice. Obviously the Flames scouts are high on this guy so when he came available for nothing they swooped in. You don't need young goalies in this league you need competent ones

[Flash Walken]

Ramo better be the real deal or the next few seasons are going to be pretty bleak as it's obvious the Flames have no faith in the goaltenders in their system and nobody knows if Kipper will even play next season.

Can you imagine if he is Semyan Varlomov good?

This place will melt.

[kyuss275]

Ramo better be the real deal or the next few seasons are going to be pretty bleak as it's obvious the Flames have no faith in the goaltenders in their system.

If Ramo is not the real deal, the flames will try to resign Kipper to an extension.

I don't think there is a chance in hell that the flames are going to trade Kipper this year.

[Stay Golden]

The only thing i can say that is bad about picking up MacDonald is that Comeau sneaks back into top 9 tonight because they had to put Cammi on IR to get this done.

we need Jeff Gillooly to visit Comeau ;)

[Bertuzzied]

You really have to get over yer man crush on Clutterbuck. Cannot see how you think he is worth a first round pick and a goalie that was a former first round pick.

And if cammy was ever traded for Neil I believe feaster would lose his job fast.

Also, why not a kipper trade? 36 years old, has value and can be used to acquire a big name center if needed. If a trade of that magnitude came up I would do it. Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Tootoo? no way no thanks.

so you have no problem with the Canucks and oilers dancing around our net and doing triple sowcows in the neutral zone?

and who cares about our former first round pick goalie. That brings no value at all at this stage in his career.

hmmmm i think a #1 goalie would be more crucial to a team than a #1 centre.

and there is no way in hell the Wild would trade Clutterbuck for a first. You would need more than that to get him.

[Canada 02]

I doubt this has anything to do with Irving. Macdonald will back up Irving; Taylor returns to Abby where he belongs. When Kipper is healthy, Macdonald will be waived; Detroit likely picks him up for assignment to Grand Rapids

[Superfraggle]

This is a dumb move for multiple reasons...

1) Cammy sitting in an important game for a backup goalie. Yes he Cammy has struggled but seriously he needs to be in the lineup in order to contribute.
2)Irving is likely crushed. He played well in Vancouver on Saturday with a terrible team in front of him. Now he is essentially bumpd for some random "veteran" goalie.

Flames new modo "Older is better". Another decision with no thought, great job Flames!

Cammalleri is not sitting for a backup goalie. They aren't going to dress 3 goalies. He is sitting because he is hurt. The only way this could affect him is if he were on the IR and they didn't have room to put him back on the roster. He is not on the IR.

[Bertuzzied]

Can you imagine if he is Semyan Varlomov good?

This place will melt.

most ridiculous post of the week. hahaha. how are they even comparable.

It's like saying "OH NO what if we waived Comeau and he becomes the next Iginla."

[Ashasx]

If Ramo is not the real deal, the flames will try to resign Kipper to an extension.

I don't think there is a chance in hell that the flames are going to trade Kipper this year.

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

[Flash Walken]

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

lol

[dammage79]

Yeah you know what? The more I think about it, I am leaning towards a Kipper trade. You don't just go and start a kid the day you announce through a waiver pick up you have no faith in your YOUNG goalie. Especially if you think Kipper is going to play every single game the rest of the season. You certainly do not need a veteran gate opener for Kipper for the rest of the season. And Irving has been just fine. He is what? 1-1 so far this season?

There has to be something bigger happening right now.

[kyuss275]

Cammalleri is not sitting for a backup goalie. They aren't going to dress 3 goalies. He is sitting because he is hurt. The only way this could affect him is if he were on the IR and they didn't have room to put him back on the roster. He is not on the IR.


Cammi was put on IR just before the move for Maconald.

[Tinordi]

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

Quoted for posterity

[EddyBeers]

Maybe if Brent Sutter was our GM.

Still sipping the koolaid or do you think our current team is tough as nails?

Our team is soft as puppy #### on an Arizona summer day. That being said, with the possible exception of the Butler trade the Flames lose every one of those trades by a wide margin. I just threw up some other trades that had similar value for the Flames.

Not sure what Brent Sutter even has to do with this. :confused:

[Erick Estrada]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that the flames are going to trade Kipper this year.

I tend to agree here unless they are far out of the playoffs at the deadline in which they may want to explore exactly what Kipper wants to do next year. If he is firm in staying in Europe possibly the Flames could trade him and give him one last chance at the cup before he hangs up his skates. If he's open to coming back I could see Ramo and Kipper splitting time next season.

[dino7c]

Cammi was put on IR just before the move for Maconald.

that doesn't mean he was gonna play tonight if they didn't pick him up...pure speculation

[EddyBeers]

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

Well stats wise he is about the 9th best goalie on the second best team in the second best league in the world.

[Ashasx]

lol

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

Half the people here hope the Flames fail so some perceived notion they believe about Brent Sutter or Feaster or Iginla can be proven right.

You guys are a joke. Worst fan base in the league.

[kyuss275]

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.


Never said he was not the real deal. I said "if" he is not the real deal, they would probably try and resign Kipper. Flames will not know what they have in Ramo until next season. Kipper is not getting traded before that.

[Bertuzzied]

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

Half the people here hope the Flames fail so some perceived notion they believe about Brent Sutter or Feaster or Iginla can be proven right.

You guys are a joke. Worst fan base in the league.

Brent Sutter has been proven to be true though. 3 years and close to 300 games tells you everything.

[Henry Fool]

He went 8-5-1 last season. That's pretty good. I think it at least shows that he can win more games than lose, and as we've seen with the backups Flames have had the past few years, winning in the NHL is tough.

Must be disappointing for Irving, but I have to say that he hasn't proven to be a decent NHL goalie either. I'm not saying that he can't be, but I'm also not seeing any particular reason to make optimistic projections for him.

[Derek Sutton]

Well the Flames have only ever had two real deal goalies in the last 35 years. Can't/ won't be sold on Ramo for a few years yet.

[howard_the_duck]

How can anyone say that after the 2nd and 4th goals? Also that 2nd goal, the game winning goal was a back breaker.

2nd wasn't great, but he more than made up for it with several acrobatic saves. Up to that point in the game the Flames should have been down by at least 3.

The ice was so heavily tilted the entire game, it's not a game you can hang on Leland at all.

I don't like the habit of Flames management for the past decade of hanging a goalie out to dry if he lets in a weak goal. Kipper has let in FAR weaker goals this year than Irving did on Saturday against the Canucks.

[Alberta_Beef]

Are people actually suggesting Cammalleri was placed on IR as an excuse to bench him? You don't place someone on IR to bench them, it was done because he won't be able to play until at least Friday due to injury.

With this pickup, I dunno, seems strange. You waste a contract on Taylor and claim someone a couple days later? Then the guy they claim has been IR all season with a bulging disc as hasn't even had a conditioning stint? this makes no sense, at all. I'm not even sure this is a good pickup if MacDonald is healthy.

I have a feeling this has more to do with Kipper than anyone, despite him skating today.

[kyuss275]

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

Half the people here hope the Flames fail so some perceived notion they believe about Brent Sutter or Feaster or Iginla can be proven right.

You guys are a joke. Worst fan base in the league.


You need to settle down. No one said Ramo was going to be a failure. As for calling us " worst fan base in the league", you are the guy that said he would probably not cheer for the flames for a couple of years if Iggy was ever traded. That does not sound like the greatest fan to me.

[the_only_turek_fan]

The thing that is really confusing me is that Irving is not a bad goaltender. I am utterly confused with why they are doing this.

[Igster]

The thing that is really confusing me is that Irving is not a bad goaltender. I am utterly confused with why they are doing this.

Feaster has been hitting the bottle?

[Ashasx]

You need to settle down. No one said Ramo was going to be a failure. As for calling us " worst fan base in the league", you are the guy that said he would probably not cheer for the flames for a couple of years if Iggy was ever traded. That does not sound like the greatest fan to me.

Uh, I never said that. Might want to check your notes.

[SHOGUN]

Jon Gilles is our new hope.

[EddyBeers]

Well the Flames have only ever had two real deal goalies in the last 35 years.

Rejean Lemelin was pretty good back in the day when a 3.50 GAA was not bad in the NHL, not the best in the league but definitely probably a top 10 guy at the time. That was back in the day when you could win a Vezina with a 3.3 GAA and a .888 SV percentage.....The Flames have probably had 3 real deal goalies since they came to Calgary.

[Henry Fool]

2nd wasn't great, but he more than made up for it with several acrobatic saves. Up to that point in the game the Flames should have been down by at least 3.

The ice was so heavily tilted the entire game, it's not a game you can hang on Leland at all.

I don't like the habit of Flames management for the past decade of hanging a goalie out to dry if he lets in a weak goal. Kipper has let in FAR weaker goals this year than Irving did on Saturday against the Canucks.

Goalie performance played no part in the result in the game against the Canucks. That was a loss regardless. The management isn't basing their decisions on that or some weak goals let in here and there. And the difference between Irving and Kipper is that Kipper doesn't have to prove himself to be an NHL goalie.

[orr444]

Are people actually suggesting Cammalleri was placed on IR as an excuse to bench him? You don't place someone on IR to bench them, it was done because he won't be able to play until at least Friday due to injury.

With this pickup, I dunno, seems strange. You waste a contract on Taylor and claim someone a couple days later? Then the guy they claim has been IR all season with a bulging disc as hasn't even had a conditioning stint? this makes no sense, at all. I'm not even sure this is a good pickup if MacDonald is healthy.

I have a feeling this has more to do with Kipper than anyone, despite him skating today.

And cammy did skate today with the team. His IR is retroactive to February 5th, which means most likely he will play on Wednesday. Bob Mckenzie also mentioned, the plan is for kipper to play on Wednesday.

[kyuss275]

Uh, I never said that. Might want to check your notes.


Excuse me? We had this converstaion about Iggy in the summer and yes you said that if Iggy was traded you would lose interest in the flames for a couple of years.

[Banner]

How can anyone say that after the 2nd and 4th goals? Also that 2nd goal, the game winning goal was a back breaker.

Irving wasn't the reason the flames lost on saturday. You can argue how bad he is and how soft the goals were, but the team in front of him that decided to not show up were why they lost.

Irving is by no means Kiprusoff, but he is a decent goalie. He can get you a win if the whole team actually makes an effort and does not leave him to dry. However, to expect him to be able to win for a team that plays majority of the game in their own end is unreasonable.

It's not like he killed any flames momentum by letting in those goals. The flames had zero momentum all night and let the canucks use irving as shooting practice.

[MolsonInBothHands]

If a real center, with some size and skill, could be had for a package that included Kiprusoff, and Irvine and MacDonald shared the load of the remainder of the season, Detroit style, I could actually live with that, providing Ramo is the real deal.

It would be a helluva gamble, but if it fails, it is a short, almost painless, season, with a some interesting options at the draft.

[The Yen Man]

Islanders seem to be on a goalie collecting phase lately. Plus, isn't Kipper's cap hit higher than his actual paid next year? Kipper to Islanders for Nino Neider-hard-to-spell-last-name.

[flamesaresmokin]

I get the need for the guy as Taylor will likely be going back to the Heat. Unless kipper is going to be out for another two weeks at minimum how can anyone expect Macdonald to perform when he hasn't played a game in close to a year?

[Alberta_Beef]

Another end to a crappy 1st rounder for the Flames. Irving never could put 2+ good performances together.

Now to the Joey Jo Jo Junior MacDonald era.

Irving is just another reminder to me that I cannot see any other way for this franchise to succeed in the future buy not being terrible this year.

Calgary cannot be allowed to draft beyond the top 8 or else trade the pick.His first 3 games were all absolutely fantastic. And then his 5th and 6th games were fantastic and his 7th was good. The team just never played in front of him to give him wins.

[Resolute 14]

Are people actually suggesting Cammalleri was placed on IR as an excuse to bench him? You don't place someone on IR to bench them, it was done because he won't be able to play until at least Friday due to injury.

Ignorance and overreaction, at least on the part of one poster.


The same sort of ignorance and overreaction we used to laugh at Canuck fans over. Those who live in glass houses...

[browna]

OT:
Does #9 come down from the rafters for Joey to suit up in it? (Yes, I know Joey has an "a")

I remember vaugely when the Flames traded away 2nd round pick Lane MacDonald in the late 80's, CHQR got lit up by frantic old women, thinking Lanny had gotten traded and they had to reassure everyone that it wasn't Lanny.

[JayP]

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

Half the people here hope the Flames fail so some perceived notion they believe about Brent Sutter or Feaster or Iginla can be proven right.

You guys are a joke. Worst fan base in the league.

The fact that people actually believe this astounds me.

Having an opinion that isn't overtly positive towards the future, doesn't blame the usual scapegoats for all our failures, or is critical to players with nostalgia factor on their side apparently means you want this team to lose and you aren't a real fan.

[Ashasx]

Excuse me? We had this converstaion about Iggy in the summer and yes you said that if Iggy was traded you would lose interest in the flames for a couple of years.

Find a quote.

If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, I said that one thing about being a fan and liking a team is an emotional bond you have with it. Being a fan isn't about demanding wins. Iginla represents himself like no other player in the league. He is easy to cheer for (though many of you have turned his positive qualities into negatives). I will always cheer for the Flames, regardless of who we put on the ice or behind the bench. I'm just glad we've had Iginla representing this team for the last dozen years, and not the Sedins.

[Phanuthier]

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.
I forgot, why is Ramo the best goaltender int he 2nd best league in the world? Did he win the 2nd best league in the worlds' Vezina?

[Fischy13]

Kipper faked an injury as he heard rumblings he was getting traded, without the NTC, he has to rely on that. I mean really, Kipper had never been injured, and now that his NTC is gone, he gets an injury......Thanks Kipper you've been great

[tvp2003]

I'm confused.

1. Kipper looking like he'll be back on Wednesday. Assuming we don't trade him, why bring in McDonald if Irving is a decent backup.

2. If the Flames have no confidence in Irving, why re-sign him? It's not like his play has totally fallen apart since then; his past two starts, if anything, show that he can at least be a servicable backup.

3. If Irving only got two games to show himself, Danny Taylor won't get a sniff at the NHL. Signing McDonald confirms it. So why did we burn a contract by signing him in the first place? Wasn't McDonald available last week? Couldn't we bring in Broissoit on an emergency contract to hold the door open against the Blue Jackets?

4. If the Flames have that little faith in Irving, how bad must have Karlsson been in training camp?

Unless Irving tweaked a groin in Vancouver making all of those acrobatic saves (or Taylor stubbed his toe sitting on the bench), this makes little sense to me at all...

EDIT: Okay, so McDonald was just put on waivers yesterday. I guess my point still stands about the Flames having no faith in Irving (and Taylor); unless they think that McDonald is such a better upgrade than Irving in the #2 spot...

[Imported_Aussie]

Is Irving appealing enough as a throw in with Butler to upgrade on D?
Or as a throw in with a forward to upgrade there?
Is Kipper actually out longer term than these reports would lead us to believe?

If the answer to all of those questions is NO, then I don't like this pickup. If Feaster was doing his job, being connected to GMs around the league, he would have known McDonald would have been available, and could have swung one of those "future considerations" deals for him. Instead we sign Taylor to open a door for two games and burn the contract that was freed up in trading Karlsson.
Ugh

[Bertuzzied]

Irving wasn't the reason the flames lost on saturday. You can argue how bad he is and how soft the goals were, but the team in front of him that decided to not show up were why they lost.

Irving is by no means Kiprusoff, but he is a decent goalie. He can get you a win if the whole team actually makes an effort and does not leave him to dry. However, to expect him to be able to win for a team that plays majority of the game in their own end is unreasonable.

It's not like he killed any flames momentum by letting in those goals. The flames had zero momentum all night and let the canucks use irving as shooting practice.

for the 10th time i never said Irving was the reason why we lost. But he has looked not like an NHL calibre goalie.

The timing of his goals are terrible including the one in columbus.

and yes they were. Flames kill off that PP against the Canucks and it's a different game. He doesn't let in that weak tying goal 20 seconds after Cevenka puts up his first and we blow out Columbus that nite.

[kehatch]

This isn't a surprise. The Flames allowed Irving to be a third string goalie in Abbotsford and has him on waivers a few weeks ago. Clearly they don't have confidence in him. Meanwhile Kipper hasn't played well and suffered an injury. Meaning they need a backup they trust in case Kipper isn't gtg.

People want our prospects to succeed. But Irving has done NOTHING to suggest he will be a competent NHL goalie. His numbers in the AHL are consistently underwhelming and he keeps losing his job. He has been shakey in the NHL. I am not sure why people think that will somehow translate to an NHL starting goalie.

[flamesaresmokin]

The fact that people actually believe this astounds me.

Having an opinion that isn't overtly positive towards the future, doesn't blame the usual scapegoats for all our failures, or is critical to players with nostalgia factor on their side apparently means you want this team to lose and you aren't a real fan.

If everyone just tows the line and blames Brent Sutter and Jay Bow for this team's failures things must be easier to deal with then actually talking about the team sans bias.

Worst yet, the Flames are now seemingly resting their hopes this year with a mediocre roster anchored by irving and macdonald if Kipper can't return soon. If this was "something special" as King was boasting a few weeks ago I'd like to know what his version of poop is.

[timbit]

I'm confused.

1. Kipper looking like he'll be back on Wednesday. Assuming we don't trade him, why bring in McDonald if Irving is a decent backup.

2. If the Flames have no confidence in Irving, why re-sign him? It's not like his play has totally fallen apart since then; his past two starts, if anything, show that he can at least be a servicable backup.

3. If Irving only got two games to show himself, Danny Taylor won't get a sniff at the NHL. Signing McDonald confirms it. So why did we burn a contract by signing him in the first place? Wasn't McDonald available last week? Couldn't we bring in Broissoit on an emergency contract to hold the door open against the Blue Jackets?

4. If the Flames have that little faith in Irving, how bad must have Karlsson been in training camp?

Unless Irving tweaked a groin in Vancouver making all of those acrobatic saves (or Taylor stubbed his toe sitting on the bench), this makes little sense to me at all...

All are very valid concerns and questions. Sometimes you just have to eschew logic and blindly place your trust in the rock solid plan.

[Flash Walken]

I'm confused.

1. Kipper looking like he'll be back on Wednesday. Assuming we don't trade him, why bring in McDonald if Irving is a decent backup.

2. If the Flames have no confidence in Irving, why re-sign him? It's not like his play has totally fallen apart since then; his past two starts, if anything, show that he can at least be a servicable backup.

3. If Irving only got two games to show himself, Danny Taylor won't get a sniff at the NHL. Signing McDonald confirms it. So why did we burn a contract by signing him in the first place? Wasn't McDonald available last week? Couldn't we bring in Broissoit on an emergency contract to hold the door open against the Blue Jackets?

4. If the Flames have that little faith in Irving, how bad must have Karlsson been in training camp?

Unless Irving tweaked a groin in Vancouver making all of those acrobatic saves (or Taylor stubbed his toe sitting on the bench), this makes little sense to me at all...
Explanation:

Flames organization feels Irving was a competent backup for a goalie that would never let him play. If he doesn't see the ice, how much damage could he do? The plan was to play kipper most, if not all, of the games this season in an attempt to make the playoffs (win now). Once it came apparent that Irving could not carry the mail as a replacement starter (win now), Calgary went and did what they could to acquire a bona fide backup/replacement starter in an effort to get as many points between now and Kipper's return as possible (win now).

Echoing another statement, Karlsson must have been seven shades of shiatzu to have been excused so indelicately in favour of Irving, the odd-man out in Abortsford.

Calgary is doing everything they can to position themselves as playoff contenders at the deadline. Admirable, perhaps, but ultimately myopic.

[dammage79]

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next year as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Next year could look like a terrible log jam if Broissoit makes the jump:

AHL: Brust, Taylor, Ortio, Irving, Broissoit.

NHL: MacDonald, Ramo, Possibly Kipper, Irving.

[Banner]

for the 10th time i never said Irving was the reason why we lost. But he has looked not like an NHL calibre goalie.

The timing of his goals are terrible including the one in columbus.

and yes they were. Flames kill off that PP against the Canucks and it's a different game. He doesn't let in that weak tying goal 20 seconds after Cevenka puts up his first and we blow out Columbus that nite.

How can you be so sure it would be a different game if they killed the Nucks PP? That's purely your speculation. The flames were dead in the first period against Van, despite getting a goal and Irving not letting anything in.

How exactly do you know we would've blown out Columbus? Ever though they decided to not get blown out and actually try to win?

[davidbjordan]

perhaps brust is signing with someone and irving/taylor are to be the ahl tandem (having irving get pounded behind the bad play of the flames can't be good for confidence either)

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

My irony meter just exploded.

[Flash Walken]

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next years as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Ramo is the second coming of Taratuhkin, you heard it here first.

[gpflamesfan]

I may be in the minority but I think it is a great move. I actually expected calgary to put in a claim for mcdonald. Management knows that back/groin injuries can be finicky and that it is a little unwise to run with 2 goaltenders with a total of 2 career wins. I expect we will see one of McDonald or Irving in the press box for a couple weeks after kipper gets back to ensure he is 100%. At that time they will waive whatever keeper is the weaker link. I don't know why so many people are up in arms over a solid hockey move.

[EddyBeers]

All are very valid concerns and questions. Sometimes you just have to eschew logic and blindly place your trust in the rock solid plan.

Sounds a little cynical to me, are you sure you are a fan of the Calgary Flames?

[kehatch]

This isn't surprising. Clearly they don't have faith in Irving. They had the guy on waivers a few weeks ago and allowed him to be the third strong in Abby prior to the season start.

Meanwhile Kipper isn't playing well and suffered an injury. That isn't to say they are giving up on Kipper. But it does mean that they want a back-up they trust just in case.

I would have preferred to see them take a flyer on Bishop or Bernier rather then on a 33 year old guy who is UFA at season end. But they are pretty high on Ramo so this makes sense from their perspective.

To bad for Irving though. But I can't blame the Flames for lacking faith. His AHL numbers were underwhelming, he kept losing the starting job in Abby, and he has been shaky (not bad) in the NHL so far. There isn't much there to suggest he is a future NHL starter. And if he isn't then they might as well find a veteran back-up.

[Ashasx]

My irony meter just exploded.

When you see the same posts from the same people everyday, it's hard not to be confrontational yourself.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Kiprusoff is out long term
Taylor gets sent down (Signed only as an absolute emergency)

just my guess.

Who knows a trade could be on the way.

This is exactly what I'm thinking.

[FlamesAddiction]

for the 10th time i never said Irving was the reason why we lost. But he has looked not like an NHL calibre goalie.

The timing of his goals are terrible including the one in columbus.

and yes they were. Flames kill off that PP against the Canucks and it's a different game. He doesn't let in that weak tying goal 20 seconds after Cevenka puts up his first and we blow out Columbus that nite.

I agree with this. Teams with confidence in their goalie play with confidence and swagger. It's no coincidence that the team fails to show-up when they have an AHL back-up. The past 3 games were Irving's chance and he didn't make good on it.

His rebound control has been terrible. He sits way too far back in his net to play the angles and his lateral movement isn't fast enough to make up for it.

It sucks, because he seems like the kind of guy you want to root for, but we have to be honest with ourselves.

[Locke]

I remember the days when he used to be Detroit's go-to guy.

I think theres a lot of over-reaction going on here. Ultimately I think it says more about Taylor than Irving. I think MacDonald and Irving are going to split time until Kipper gets back.

This isnt the end of Irving, he'll be backing up Kipper until Ramo is free and then who knows what happens when Kipper's contract is up. Maybe Ramo/Irving is our tandem for the future or maybe we trade both of them for a bag of pucks, re-sign Iginla and he plays in net for us after Feaster swims through a pool of cocaine. You just never know with the Calgary Flames.

[Saqe]

There has to be something going on if Kipper indeed plays wednesday already, it just doesn´t make any sense otherwise. They don´t need to use a contract spot for a backup who would play 2-3 games.

Edit: Kipper has to be injured more than we think. Irving has been a solid backup, no point signing Macdonald just for another backup role.

[kyuss275]

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next year as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Next year could look like a terrible log jam if Broissoit makes the jump:

AHL: Brust, Taylor, Ortio, Irving, Broissoit.

NHL: MacDonald, Ramo, Possibly Kipper, Irving.


I highly doubt MacDonald is on the flames long term plans. He is ufa after this season.

Irving is all but done unless he can stand on his head for the next couple of games.

[burnitdown]

so you have no problem with the Canucks and oilers dancing around our net and doing triple sowcows in the neutral zone?

and who cares about our former first round pick goalie. That brings no value at all at this stage in his career.

hmmmm i think a #1 goalie would be more crucial to a team than a #1 centre.

and there is no way in hell the Wild would trade Clutterbuck for a first. You would need more than that to get him.

Wait..what?! I think the Wild would take that trade in a second! A chance at a top 5 pick in this year's draft? Clutterbuck is great and definitely a type of guy that helps win championships...but not at the potential price of MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin or Barkov.

[Alberta_Beef]

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next year as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Next year could look like a terrible log jam if Broissoit makes the jump:

AHL: Brust, Taylor, Ortio, Irving, Broissoit.

NHL: MacDonald, Ramo, Possibly Kipper, Irving.The volded do not hve contracts for next year. It's only logjam if they sign everyone, which they won't.

[Henry Fool]

I forgot, why is Ramo the best goaltender int he 2nd best league in the world? Did he win the 2nd best league in the worlds' Vezina?

I find that whenever an older player comes over the NHL, at this point people simply assume that someone somewhere has said that they're the "best outside of the NHL." No one needs to have actually said it. It's bizarre.

But maybe in this case the Flames scouting feel that Rämö really is. All I can say that if the title of being the best outside the NHL could be decided on, Rämö would have to be one of the candidates considered. But it really is a meaningless thing to say and it's something that has been "quoted" about far worse players than Rämö. All we can say is that the Flames like what kind of player he is.

[Bertuzzied]

Ramo is the second coming of Taratuhkin, you heard it here first.

Noted.

But since Ramo is Finnish and not Russian wouldn't he be the 2nd coming of Tomi Maki?

and Rambo is going to make you eat your words.

[kyuss275]

There has to be something going on if Kipper indeed plays wednesday already, it just doesn´t make any sense otherwise. They don´t need to use a contract spot for a backup who would play 2-3 games.

Edit: Kipper has to be injured more than we think. Irving has been a solid backup, no point signing Macdonald just for another backup role.


With Kipper's injury, they probably don't feel he will be able to play as much as they hoped when he gets back. I like Irving but its been clear for a while now that management does not feel the same way.

[dammage79]

The volded do not hve contracts for next year. It's only logjam if they sign everyone, which they won't.

Okay so out of the Bolded how would you set up the AHL tandem, then the two or three in the NHL?

Ramo/Irving NHL

Ortio/Broissoit AHL.

But it sucks for guys like Taylor and Brust who played well enough for the organization. Very likely they find jobs elsewhere anyways but you don't you have to use those spots to develop the talent your organization drafted?

[Husky]

Meh. A waste of a roster spot, money, etc etc etc.

The guy isn't anythign special. If your going to roll the dice while Kipper is out you might as well use your own dice rather han someones old used cast-off dice.

[Phanuthier]

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

I forgot, why is Ramo the best goaltender int he 2nd best league in the world? Did he win the 2nd best league in the worlds' Vezina?

Bump for Ashasx

(not trying to hurt any feelings, it just keeps being said and I forgot what the justification was)

[simmonjam1]

I'm a little worried. I saw Joey MacDonald play in Houston with the Marlies back in Jan, 2010. The Marlies lost that game and it looked like Joey MacDonald's confidence was destroyed during that game. He couldn't stop anything. I think Houston scored 4-5 on him before finally yanking him.

[Goodlad]

Another possibility is MacDonald stays on our roster as Irving's backup until Kipper is back. At that point they could waive MacDonald, have Detroit claim him and send him down like they originally planned.

[kyuss275]

This isn't surprising. Clearly they don't have faith in Irving. They had the guy on waivers a few weeks ago and allowed him to be the third strong in Abby prior to the season start.

Meanwhile Kipper isn't playing well and suffered an injury. That isn't to say they are giving up on Kipper. But it does mean that they want a back-up they trust just in case.

I would have preferred to see them take a flyer on Bishop or Bernier rather then on a 33 year old guy who is UFA at season end. But they are pretty high on Ramo so this makes sense from their perspective.

To bad for Irving though. But I can't blame the Flames for lacking faith. His AHL numbers were underwhelming, he kept losing the starting job in Abby, and he has been shaky (not bad) in the NHL so far. There isn't much there to suggest he is a future NHL starter. And if he isn't then they might as well find a veteran back-up.

I would have liked both of those 2 goalies you listed also. Problem is they were not going to come cheap. Rumour is the Senators want at least a 3rd for Bishop. Bernier would have been even more expensive. And yes it does seem like they want Ramo over with the flames as soon as possible. I am not convinced Ramo would leave Russia to fight for a back up job. Flames are probably going to tell him that the back up job is all his and he has a chance to prove he is the guy to replace Kipper as #1

[powderjunkie]

Another possibility is MacDonald stays on our roster as Irving's backup until Kipper is back. At that point they could waive MacDonald, have Detroit claim him and send him down like they originally planned.

Pretty sure if Det claimed him they couldn't send him back down. I don't imagine they are too concerned about opening another roster spot to find a diamond in the rough that turns out to be another Datsyuk.

[SuperMatt18]

MacDonald has not played a game since March 14th of last season...not sure why we would pick up a goaltender who is obviously a risk coming off a back injury.

[Ashasx]

Are you asking why a goalie may be considered the best in the league?

Am I supposed to link some objective facts here? Can I ask who the best goaltender in the NHL is so easily? Of course what I'm saying is subjective.

The bigger question should be why do you automatically assume that any player the Flames sign will fail before he's given a chance?

[1_Flames_Fan]

I feel a bit bad for Irving but at this level you must be able to win games and he hasn't shown an ability to do that. Part of the blame is with the team and part of the blame is on him. He hasn't been terrible but if you are on a 2 way contract you need to be much better than just average or adequate. Macdonald has shown he can win games at this level and that is what the team needs right now. Bottom line is Irving wasn't going to be able to get the job done so they are bringing in someone else who has more experience and has a better chance of putting some W's on the board.

[Phanuthier]

Are you asking why a goalie may be considered the best in the league?

Am I supposed to link some objective facts here? Can I ask who the best goaltender in the NHL is so easily? Of course what I'm saying is subjective.

The bigger question should be why do you automatically assume that any player the Flames sign will fail before he's given a chance?
Ok... subjective based on what? No need to be so confrontational. I was just wondering...

The best goaltender in the NHL is Henrik Lundqvist, because he won a Vezina. That would be my justification. So what is your justification that Ramo is the best in the 2nd best league in the world?

[Alberta_Beef]

Okay so out of the Bolded how would you set up the AHL tandem, then the two or three in the NHL?

Ramo/Irving NHL

Ortio/Broissoit AHL.

But it sucks for guys like Taylor and Brust who played well enough for the organization. Very likely they find jobs elsewhere anyways but you don't you have to use those spots to develop the talent your organization drafted?I think it's likely Ortio stays in Finland another year and maybe comes over on his next contract if he gets one. I think the Heat will have a Taylor/Brossoit tandem in Abbotsford and a Ramo/Kiprusoff tandem in Calgary. Now this is assuming Ramo will be willing to come over to be Kipper's backup, which is not a slam dunk, the whole reason he wouldn't sign with Montreal is that he would not have a chance to be the starter.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Great. This pretty much shows that Feaster has no confidence in Irving or Taylor. Way to make Irving feel more sheltered and discouraged. Why can't we give our young guys a chance for once? Is this organization allergic to it? Might as well see how this all plays out.

[timbit]

Well it would sure be interesting to see what is going on inside Irving's brain as he is getting ready for tonight.

[nik-]

I'm a little leery of goaltending performance in the KHL. The game is quite different and the scoring chances and shots come about in a different way. There is less hacking away at the front of the net, deflections and quick choppy shots on net in the KHL. Much more loopy skating and wristers. The KHL seems to have more shots that are legit scoring chances, but the pace seems much slower and the overall count of shots seems lower.

Well it would sure be interesting to see what is going on inside Irving's brain as he is getting ready for tonight.

screw this team. Most likely.

[EddyBeers]

Bump for Ashasx

(not trying to hurt any feelings, it just keeps being said and I forgot what the justification was)

Feaster said he was the best goalie not in the NHL when they traded for him, that is the justification I believe. No independent source said it to the best of my knowledge.

[Bertuzzied]

I think it's likely Ortio stays in Finland another year and maybe comes over on his next contract if he gets one. I think the Heat will have a Taylor/Brossoit tandem in Abbotsford and a Ramo/Kiprusoff tandem in Calgary. Now this is assuming Ramo will be willing to come over to be Kipper's backup, which is not a slam dunk, the whole reason he wouldn't sign with Montreal is that he would not have a chance to be the starter.

I think the reason why he didn't sign in Montreal is that Price is 10 years younger than Kipper. I'm sure Feaster touched base with him before he did the trade.

[dammage79]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

[Derek Sutton]

Are you asking why a goalie may be considered the best in the league?

Am I supposed to link some objective facts here? Can I ask who the best goaltender in the NHL is so easily? Of course what I'm saying is subjective.

The bigger question should be why do you automatically assume that any player the Flames sign will fail before he's given a chance?


Gustavson was the best goalie outside the NHL at one point and that didn't work out so well.

[Flash Walken]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Or he's trying to get something, anything, for irving.

[Parallex]

Another possibility is MacDonald stays on our roster as Irving's backup until Kipper is back. At that point they could waive MacDonald, have Detroit claim him and send him down like they originally planned.

I think the more likely outcome would be that the Flames would waive him and once he clears waivers we trade him (or other surplus AHL goalie... take your pick) back for a PTBNL. That way they don't have to keep him on the NHL roster and we get a roster slot back in the short-term.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Wohoooo 49 contracts, one left!

I don't think it's a big deal at this point. Apparently multiple teams wanted Jackman at the trade deadline and many teams often don't mind taking a garbage minor league contract to get a deal done. As has been speculated a bunch in this thread already, maybe Feaster already basically has a trade lined up to move someone out.

[nik-]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

No chance.

[Bertuzzied]

Well it would sure be interesting to see what is going on inside Irving's brain as he is getting ready for tonight.

last game in the NHL. might as well go out in style and go Jamie Mclennan on Heatley.

[cznTiburon]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

With everyone talking about ramo bein so good, are we absolutely certain he will come? If he is that good I'm sure his KHL team will offer him more than we can and he is already the started and closer to home... I feel he will come but it seems like everyone is banking everything on the ramo basket

[Henry Fool]

When the Rämö trade went down, Feaster's official statement was:

“Karri Ramo provides us with greater depth at a critical position,” said Jay Feaster. “Ramo has NHL experience and is one of the top goaltenders in Europe. His work ethic and dedication are first rate, and he is just starting to enter the prime of his career. We believe he has the tools and mental make-up necessary to be a number one goaltender in the NHL, and are pleased to add him to our organization.” That seems factual. As Ashasx says, there's no objective measurement of who is the absolute best goalie, period. Every year someone wins the Vezina but people wouldn't be able to agree on who among the best in the NHL is the absolute best.

Rämö has NHL experience and has been one of the best in the KHL for years, so in that way he's ahead of some other Europeans who either had only one good season or had never played in NA before.

[Alberta_Beef]

I think the reason why he didn't sign in Montreal is that Price is 10 years younger than Kipper. I'm sure Feaster touched base with him before he did the trade.I don't disagree, but it is still not a slam dunk to sign him if he thinks that he will only play 10-15 games next year for us when he can sign anywhere as a UFA on July 1st (I am pretty sure anyways).

[Goodlad]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.So Feaster and co. saw something in Irving (which we all apparently missed) that gave him enough confidence in our goaltending to trade Kipper? Or is this the start of a rebuild?

[JayP]

The bigger question should be why do you automatically assume that any player the Flames sign will fail before he's given a chance?

The same reason why lots of us aren't "real fans". Because we look at the situation rationally.

Most of these "best player in ____" types don't ever pan out to be much in the NHL (and most completely bust out). Just because he's property of the team we cheer for doesn't change his odds of making it in the NHL. The big question is really this - what makes Karri Ramo (a name no one on this forum who be talking about until the trade last year) so much different than every other good, older player from Europe who didn't make it?

[dammage79]

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

With everyone talking about ramo bein so good, are we absolutely certain he will come? If he is that good I'm sure his KHL team will offer him more than we can and he is already the started and closer to home... I feel he will come but it seems like everyone is banking everything on the ramo basket

As far I know, he comes off of IR tomorrow or wednsday.

[kehatch]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Doubt that. I wouldn't address the media either. What is he supposed to say? That the Flames felt they need a back-up they could trust? That will probably be the message tomorrow. But tonight Irving is the starter and the GM can't really say he doesn't trust the guy that is starting tonight.

[getbak]

Pretty sure if Det claimed him they couldn't send him back down. I don't imagine they are too concerned about opening another roster spot to find a diamond in the rough that turns out to be another Datsyuk.
Detroit could send him down if the Flames waived him and the Wings decided to claim him back. It would be as if the Flames never put in the claim, and he cleared initial waivers.

If the Flames were to waive him, I believe the priority would be: any other team who put in a claim on this waiver; the Red Wings; every other team in regular waiver priority. The Wings would be the only team who could send him to the AHL without needing to waive him again.

[Bertuzzied]

Iginla gets traded before Kipper ever would.

[Buff]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Kiprusoff was upset that his teammates don't pulverize anybody who gets anywhere near Kiprusoff on the ice. Kiprusoff just can't focus properly and gets very hot under the collar when people brush by him. So he got fed up after the 2nd period against Detroit and he walked past the coach's office, and straight to the owner's box and said "I just played my last game for the Flames".

Feaster has convinced Kiprusoff to pretend that he is hurt so that he can quickly be traded for a fair value, instead of it looking like a situation where the Flames can get fleeced because they have to trade a player and quick.



Do I really need to put that in green text?

[polak]

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...


I'm thinking Irving is the one that is on his way as a piece in a bigger trade.

Remember, this stupid organization is probably still in "win-now" mode.

[Henry Fool]

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

I'd be happy if they could pull a good trade for Kipper, but it's far more likely that he trying to trade Irving. Maybe he wants to wait until tonight's game is over until making any statements.

[Alberta_Beef]

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

With everyone talking about ramo bein so good, are we absolutely certain he will come? If he is that good I'm sure his KHL team will offer him more than we can and he is already the started and closer to home... I feel he will come but it seems like everyone is banking everything on the ramo basketRegarding

Point A: That is a myth, a widely spread one. Injured players can be traded, you just have to disclose all details of the injury to the other team. Players have been trded while on IR before and will again, it is just a rarity because quite frankly who wants to take the risk that the player can't reutrn to form afterwards.


Point B: The is no guarantee and since we lose his rights this summer he could sign anywhere in the NHL too

[timbit]

last game in the NHL. might as well go out in style and go Jamie Mclennan on Heatley.

Off Topic...when you responded to Flash..." it must suck to be poor". What were you relating "poor" to?

personal finances, intelligence, common sense? Just curious.

[Alberta_Beef]

Detroit could send him down if the Flames waived him and the Wings decided to claim him back. It would be as if the Flames never put in the claim, and he cleared initial waivers.

If the Flames were to waive him, I believe the priority would be: any other team who put in a claim on this waiver; the Red Wings; every other team in regular waiver priority. The Wings would be the only team who could send him to the AHL without needing to waive him again.You are correct.

[kirant]

MacDonald has not played a game since March 14th of last season...not sure why we would pick up a goaltender who is obviously a risk coming off a back injury.
They have absolutely no confidence in Taylor and would prefer to eat up another contract spot that let him see NHL ice?

MacDonald, from what I've seen, is about the same level as Irving. He's a bit of a positional goaltender with slow lateral movement (better than Karlsson, but still slow). He'd be a suitable backup if the Flames ever lose confidence in Irving and is an upgrade over Taylor.

[Stampede2TheCup]

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Lets see the Canucks laugh on the bench the next time we play them.

you forgot to log into your ricardow gimmick account

[dammage79]

So Feaster and co. saw something in Irving (which we all apparently missed) that gave him enough confidence in our goaltending to trade Kipper? Or is this the start of a rebuild?

Likely both. Kipper really is the only piece that could be used to address the whole #1 C or 1/2C the team really needs. Move Kipper get a good shot at McKinnon or Barkov or acquire with Kipper or both. I dont know, I am just speculating as much as anyone else here right now but It's not as outlandish to me as it would be to many others here.

Irving gets his shot with as many starts as he can handle and MacDonald is there to provide veteran relief. I really do believe this to be the case.

[Bertuzzied]

Actually thinking about it, if Irving knows he is getting the boot why would the Flames start him tonite? It's almost a guarantee Taylor is going to start.

Otherwise it will be like the Jokinen trade to the Rangers all over again.

[Weiser Wonder]

I'd be happy if they could pull a good trade for Kipper, but it's far more likely that he trying to trade Irving. Maybe he wants to wait until tonight's game is over until making any statements.

Yeah Joey MacDonald doesn't replace Kipper, unless you are tanking. I don't think the Flames are tanking.

Joey MacDonald is a good guy to sit on the bench while Kipper plays and Taylor and Brust get playing time in the minors.

My guess is you're right, it's Irving and Feaster doesn't want to say that in case Irving has to start tonight.

[getbak]

I think too many people are trying to read too much into the timing of this.

The fact is, Detroit waived him yesterday. He was available for a waiver claim at 10:00am MST today. The Flames put in a waiver claim when they could, and they got the player.

Now, Feaster has to figure out what they're going to do going forward.

This wasn't part of some bigger plan because he was only available 26 hours ago, and they didn't know that they'd get him for sure until 2 hours ago.

[Alberta_Beef]

Actually thinking about it, if Irving knows he is getting the boot why would the Flames start him tonite? It's almost a guarantee Taylor is going to start.

Otherwise it will be like the Jokinen trade to the Rangers all over again.I would suggest that Irving knows something we don't and won't have to speculate. I personally believe this is more about Kipper than Irving. Whether is injury or trade (like you I also doubt trade).

I know Bobby Mac is is reliable but things are just too askew to make sense otherwise.

[North East Goon]

It's a stop gap measure MacDonald will be waived when Kipper returns.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

When the Rämö trade went down, Feaster's official statement was:
That seems factual. As Ashasx says, there's no objective measurement of who is the absolute best goalie, period.

I'm thinking the guy who is 9th in save % and 6th in GAA is in fact not the best goalie in the KHL.

[saillias]

I think too many people are trying to read too much into the timing of this.

The fact is, Detroit waived him yesterday. He was available for a waiver claim at 10:00am MST today. The Flames put in a waiver claim when they could, and they got the player.

Now, Feaster has to figure out what they're going to do going forward.

This wasn't part of some bigger plan because he was only available 26 hours ago, and they didn't know that they'd get him for sure until 2 hours ago.

I agree with this, Feaster doesn't have a master plan... he just likes to do things, and go from there.

[Vinny01]

puzzling series of moves for the Flames. If we wanted to try and get another backup couldn't we have brought up Brossoit to sit on the pine until we could make this deal? Now Taylor seems like a wasted NHL deal that puts us up at 49 on the contract list.

I hope another trade is coming because having 4 goalies with NHL deals makes little sense.

[Phanuthier]

When the Rämö trade went down, Feaster's official statement was:
That seems factual. As Ashasx says, there's no objective measurement of who is the absolute best goalie, period. Every year someone wins the Vezina but people wouldn't be able to agree on who among the best in the NHL is the absolute best.

Rämö has NHL experience and has been one of the best in the KHL for years, so in that way he's ahead of some other Europeans who either had only one good season or had never played in NA before.
Any other opinions/accomplishments to note? Again mostly curious because I don't know the first thing about Ramo, and it seems others (Ashawx?) might have more information then I do.

[Jayems]

Out of curiosity, does making a claim impact our position the next time we want to claim someone from waivers, or do we stay in the same rotation based on last year's standings?

[kyuss275]

Regarding

Point A: That is a myth, a widely spread one. Injured players can be traded, you just have to disclose all details of the injury to the other team. Players have been trded while on IR before and will again, it is just a rarity because quite frankly who wants to take the risk that the player can't reutrn to form afterwards.


Point B: The is no guarantee and since we lose his rights this summer he could sign anywhere in the NHL too


Ouch if that's true. I also read that his team in Russia was thinking of giving him a huge money contract. I believe the article said that it would make Ramo the highest paid goaltender in the history of the KHL. It did say that Ramo wanted to come back to the NHL, but money is money.

[Fuji]

This move makes a lot of sense to me. With Kipper due to make $1.5M next season, I don't see him as a Calgary Flame come the trade deadline. That gives us 2 goalies (Irving, Macdonald) to work with after this season's trade deadline, and with the highly-touted Ramo finishing KHL it makes sense; even if we have 4 goalies on 4 contracts; one of them will go (sooner or later). My bet is Kipper will fetch the best value.

[getbak]

It's a stop gap measure MacDonald will be waived when Kipper returns.
If Kipper is returning on Wednesday, this makes no sense.

There's no way MacDonald will be able to get from Detroit to Calgary for tonight's game. The only way this idea makes any sense is if Kipper's injury is worse than originally thought and he's going to be out for a few more weeks.

[Bertuzzied]

I would suggest that Irving knows something we don't and won't have to speculate. I personally believe this is more about Kipper than Irving. Whether is injury or trade (like you I also doubt trade).

I know Bobby Mac is is reliable but things are just too askew to make sense otherwise.

Who is Bobby Mac?

[edn88]

233 posts on a backup goalie that was picked up on waivers - that is what I love about CP...

I think time tells all tales... am definitely curious how this plays out, but to make giant assumptions about what the Flames are doing in goal as a result of waiver pickup gets a little out of hand.

[Yoho]

Actually thinking about it, if Irving knows he is getting the boot why would the Flames start him tonite? It's almost a guarantee Taylor is going to start.

Otherwise it will be like the Jokinen trade to the Rangers all over again.

Maybe they heard about your bet, and want you to lose...

[Hockey_Ninja]

If we are shopping Kipper. Please Jay, don't screw up this trade. Please.

[StrykerSteve]

I don't like this move one bit, unless it's a precursor to something bigger.

Irving is starting tonight, that's already confirmed.

The Flames now have too many backup goalies under contract for this year, and barely any goalies under contract for next season. Something's gotta give.

[browna]

I agree with this, Feaster doesn't have a master plan... he just likes to do things, and go from there.

Kiprusoff was hurt only 6 days ago, and clearly Hartley and Feaster didn't like what they saw Thursday/Saturday. This on top of the intention for Irving to play a lot anyway this year, which is mainly why he was here and didn't play a lot on the farm during the lockout.

Sunday a veteran goalie is available for only the cost of a contract space, and only official when Monday morning comes around. There is also a game today with one of the goalies having to play, and tiptoeing around that.

Sometimes you have to plug the holes as they come...given Kirpusoff's exceptional durability the past decade, can't fault the Flames for scrambling to try and shore up the situation when he goes down as opposed to having the polished "Contingency plan for Kiprusoff's early season injury" ready to be enacted.

[Alberta_Beef]

Ouch if that's true. I also read that his team in Russia was thinking of giving him a huge money contract. I believe the article said that it would make Ramo the highest paid goaltender in the history of the KHL. It did say that Ramo wanted to come back to the NHL, but money is money.The new CBA has a rule stating is you are an RFA for 2 years you become a UFA.

[Canada 02]

the fact that Irving is starting tonight pretty much confirms that Taylor is being sent down after tonight. Having a veteran, NHL goalie, with 100 games under his belt, backup and support your de facto rookie goalie makes way more sense than having an AHLer in that spot

[North East Goon]

If Kipper is returning on Wednesday, this makes no sense.

There's no way MacDonald will be able to get from Detroit to Calgary for tonight's game. The only way this idea makes any sense is if Kipper's injury is worse than originally thought and he's going to be out for a few more weeks.

Good point.

[kyuss275]

Actually thinking about it, if Irving knows he is getting the boot why would the Flames start him tonite? It's almost a guarantee Taylor is going to start.

Otherwise it will be like the Jokinen trade to the Rangers all over again.



I see you are still hoping for a miracle on your bet. You go out swinging , i will give you that. I wish some of the flames players had your moxy.

[Alberta_Beef]

Who is Bobby Mac?Bob MacKenzie... you know the guy widely considered the top insider in the business. The guy who said Kipper will be back Wednesday with MacDonald as his backup

I always suspected you knew little about hockey but this just clinches it.

[Wronskian]

Add Joey MacDonald to the list of bust backup goalies behind Kipper:

Karlsson
McElheiny
Boucher
Joseph
Toskala
Sauve
Krahn
Roloson
McLennan
Keetley

[Goodlad]

Ouch if that's true. I also read that his team in Russia was thinking of giving him a huge money contract. I believe the article said that it would make Ramo the highest paid goaltender in the history of the KHL. It did say that Ramo wanted to come back to the NHL, but money is money.The original idea was to buy Ramo out of his current contract and have him come over for this season, and I believe Feaster had a deal in place to that effect when Ramo's team changed owners and the new owners nixed the deal. It's unfortunate because it looks like that will end up being a 2nd round pick that we gave away for nothing.

[Wronskian]

Add Joey MacDonald to the list of bust backup goalies behind Kipper:

Karlsson
McElheiny
Boucher
Joseph
Toskala
Sauve
Krahn
Roloson
McLennan
Keetley

[davidbjordan]

Add Joey MacDonald to the list of bust backup goalies behind Kipper:

Karlsson
McElheiny
Boucher
Joseph
Toskala
Sauve
Krahn
Roloson
McLennan
Keetley

I actually quite enjoyed having those two as backups while it lasted

[Ashasx]

Add Joey MacDonald to the list of bust backup goalies behind Kipper:

Karlsson
McElheiny
Boucher
Joseph
Toskala
Sauve
Krahn
Roloson
McLennan
Keetley

Toskala and Cujo, both veteran goaltenders, were the best backups Kipper ever had.

[c.t.ner]

From Roger Millions.

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions
To be Clear- Kiprusoff skated this am #Flames but..no normal movements, no butterfly, no knee bends..etcs..seems like a while yet to me.

[Goodlad]

Bob MacKenzie... you know the guy widely considered the top insider in the business. The guy who said Kipper will be back Wednesday with MacDonald as his backup

I always suspected you knew little about hockey but this just clinches it.
Because he didn't catch on to a silly nickname for a reporter? Seems harsh.....

[Yoho]

The original idea was to buy Ramo out of his current contract and have him come over for this season, and I believe Feaster had a deal in place to that effect when Ramo's team changed owners and the new owners nixed the deal. It's unfortunate because it looks like that will end up being a 2nd round pick that we gave away for nothing.
If true that sucks, and we are screwed in net for some time.